Naruto's Eyes are better than Sharingan

[generalshrike]

If he can't see then he's running in a straight line and hoping to god that he hits anything at all, because by the time he moves for one second, he's already 5000 yards from where he started. Clearly that's not what's happening. And did you not read what i just pointed out about his senses? I already defended that point well enough.

That is assuming he is running near full speed.

A said that his reactions where fast like the fourth. Doesn't mean that he can run near light speed.

Speed, when talking about the fourth, is about reaction speed and not movement. He can react instantly and teleport instantly. He doesn't move with the speed of light. Naruto may have the fourth's reaction speed but he doesn't move near the speed of light. This reaction speed would allow him to safely move faster because he can react to any danger, but it doesn't mean that his eyes have sped up.

I don't think you understand the implications of moving at speeds near mock 1. Breaking the sound barrier would mean that anything said between Naruto and A would not reach them because they would be moving faster then their words travel. Moving at mock 4 or 5 is dangerous because the friction from the wind can tear airplane winds off and shred steel. Also the air trailing in the fast object becomes accelerated from the low pressure zone trailing the object. Although A has lightning armor and you can argue that Naruto is protected in tailed beast mode, you can't possible show that the environment they pass through isn't damaged. Is the bark of the trees Naruto's running past getting ripped off, I don't think so. Look at Guy's afternoon tiger attack, he moves so fast he creates a pressure wave. You are saying that Naruto runs that fast and I don't see massive pressure wave destruction where he goes.

Once again check your logic, when an object goes supersonic it creates a pressure wave that sounds like a bang (most bullets are supersonic). Is Naruto creating bangs every time he changes direction?

 

[The Necromancer]

That is assuming he is running near full speed.

A said that his reactions where fast like the fourth. Doesn't mean that he can run near light speed.

Speed, when talking about the fourth, is about reaction speed and not movement. He can react instantly and teleport instantly. He doesn't move with the speed of light. Naruto may have the fourth's reaction speed but he doesn't move near the speed of light. This reaction speed would allow him to safely move faster because he can react to any danger, but it doesn't mean that his eyes have sped up.

I don't think you understand the implications of moving at speeds near mock 1. Breaking the sound barrier would mean that anything said between Naruto and A would not reach them because they would be moving faster then their words travel. Moving at mock 4 or 5 is dangerous because the friction from the wind can tear airplane winds off and shred steel. Also the air trailing in the fast object becomes accelerated from the low pressure zone trailing the object. Although A has lightning armor and you can argue that Naruto is protected in tailed beast mode, you can't possible show that the environment they pass through isn't damaged. Is the bark of the trees Naruto's running past getting ripped off, I don't think so. Look at Guy's afternoon tiger attack, he moves so fast he creates a pressure wave. You are saying that Naruto runs that fast and I don't see massive pressure wave destruction where he goes.

Once again check your logic, when an object goes supersonic it creates a pressure wave that sounds like a bang (most bullets are supersonic). Is Naruto creating bangs every time he changes direction?

So you're saying Guy is faster than naruto... if you're not then everything you just said is wrong. Secondly, how do you react to something? With your senses, and which sense is left at those speeds? Sight. Not smell as the molecules cannot move that fast, not hearing as he IS moving faster than sound as he is faster than the eye can perceive, and not touch because that would mean he's already hit.

If i throw a baseball at a blind and deaf man guess what, he's not going to have a reaction time, because he's not going to react. Reaction time and visual perception go hand in hand and i'm done arguing solid facts with you when you keep contradicting yourself.

 

[generalshrike]

So you're saying Guy is faster than naruto... if you're not then everything you just said is wrong. Secondly, how do you react to something? With your senses, and which sense is left at those speeds? Sight. Not smell as the molecules cannot move that fast, not hearing as he IS moving faster than sound as he is faster than the eye can perceive, and not touch because that would mean he's already hit.

If i throw a baseball at a blind and deaf man guess what, he's not going to have a reaction time, because he's not going to react. Reaction time and visual perception go hand in hand and i'm done arguing solid facts with you when you keep contradicting yourself.

Guy can move faster that Naruto but he doesn't all the time because he can't react to any counter-attacks/attacks his opponents throw. Moving at that speed is dangerous as at that speed if you can't react in time. Reaction speed is the time it takes to precess danger and signal your neurons to fire to create movement that will hopefully protect you from the danger.

I understand if this argument is getting you frustrated but there is nothing wrong to admitting that your initial deduction was incorrect. There is no need to degrade yourself to personal insults.

 

[psayian]

Guy can move faster that Naruto but he doesn't all the time because he can't react to any counter-attacks/attacks his opponents throw. Moving at that speed is dangerous as at that speed if you can't react in time. Reaction speed is the time it takes to precess danger and signal your neurons to fire to create movement that will hopefully protect you from the danger.

I understand if this argument is getting you frustrated but there is nothing wrong to admitting that your initial deduction was incorrect. There is no need to degrade yourself to personal insults.

You do realize gai can see at high speed movements, and his base speed is faster than kakashi, which needs sharingan to move that fast or he gets tunnel vision, so whats your point guy has alot of chakra control which he can produce more chakra to his eyes so he can perceieve things faster.

 

[generalshrike]

So you're saying Guy is faster than naruto... if you're not then everything you just said is wrong. Secondly, how do you react to something? With your senses, and which sense is left at those speeds? Sight. Not smell as the molecules cannot move that fast, not hearing as he IS moving faster than sound as he is faster than the eye can perceive, and not touch because that would mean he's already hit.

If i throw a baseball at a blind and deaf man guess what, he's not going to have a reaction time, because he's not going to react. Reaction time and visual perception go hand in hand and i'm done arguing solid facts with you when you keep contradicting yourself.

Your wrong in the case of the forth, you could argue that he felt the A's punch but teleported before his epidermis received any substantial acceleration. If you have slow eyes then you have 1/24 of a second maximum delay between when an attack was initiated and when you could start reacting. Having a fast reaction speed makes up for the slow eye speed.

If A is fast does he have super eyesight too? He was fast enough to dodge Sasuke's amaterasu so he must have fast eye's right? Do all fast character have better than normal eyesight?

 

[generalshrike]

You do realize gai can see at high speed movements, and his base speed is faster than kakashi, which needs sharingan to move that fast or he gets tunnel vision, so whats your point guy has alot of chakra control which he can produce more chakra to his eyes so he can perceieve things faster.

My point is that speed and eye speed are separate. We don't know that Gai or Lee don't get tunnel vision when moving at super high speed.

 

[generalshrike]

Eye speed and movement speed are different. You don't need super eyes to move super fast. Moving super fast can be dangerous if you can't see you opponents counterattack but you cn be reckless and do it anyway. In the case of Kakashi the sharigan only allowed his eyes to perceive his enemies counter attack with enough time to react. He was already fast and first did chidori recklessly. Gia and Lee never attack head on because they wouldn't have enough time to see and react to their enemies counterattack even though they are very fast. A relies on his lightning armor for protection and killing his enemies in the first blow.

 

[psayian]

A lot of people can run faster then 1.5 feet per second and they don't become invisible do they.

A car driving at 30 miles per hour drives a mile every 2 minutes. That is equivalent to 44 ft/second. So your basic logic tells you that cars driving at 30 miles per hour are invisible?
Basic logic isn't you strong suit.

Quote:psayian :But eyes don't work like that and a snapshot would be blink, eyes take in light and it gets converted through the optic nerve what the picture is. It's far different from video camera, but a video camera is the best to what we get to an eye.

Yes, that is true, but your brain only processes images. Using 1/24 of a second as an example (I don't know if this is the real value) you brain only takes snapshots and tries to precess them. The reason things look bury when you are moving fast is because your brain is having a hard time processing the quickly changing details.

Please explain how we know that Naruto isn't being reckless and moving at speeds that his eyes can't keep up at. He could only be seeing enough to jump between trees and not seeing everything he passes by. We know he is reckless and tailed beast power didn't help the situation. He could also be relying on his other senses to protect him.

Second, Just because the details of something are indistinguishable at high speed doesn't mean that you can't react to it. I can't tell the color of a baseball when you throw it at me but i can still throw up my arm or get out of the way.

Ok general this is what your getting the world of Naruto DOES NOT apply to all the human rules, and all ninja's in this Naruto world run at like 30 miles a hour.... They travel to the other side of the known naruto world in like 5-7 days. I'll get the manga to show you later.

Also naruto is making his synpases work faster, by using his chakra control and pumping more chakra to get them to recieve data to the brain faster, and putting it into they eyes so they can see faster? At a certain speed you get tunnel vision. Kakashi got this the first time he used raikiri was a awesome attack but moved to fast, so he needed to sharingan. Why, because the visual dojutsu in the eye allows you to see and percieve things faster, because there is chakra in them.

Naruto has worked chakra control where he can transmit it to his brain and eyes now, which allows him to percieve speed! faster like the sharingan It doesn't predict the moves, and the word SENSE.

It's like if you close your eyes and you can feel the wall is near thats all it does. It makes you feel something ethereal there even if you cant hear smell touch. Thats his SM sense, his KM sense is more malice. As you saw with A the reason he couldnt be in KM he hit himself with a TBB, by accident and exhausted his chakra doing it.

Even in SM he has different eyes. in KM he has the normal eyes, with a chakra shroud enabling him to move faster and percieve faster. KM is like a super sayian version of naruto that increases everything all natural, physical, chakra abilities is a Big boost. So yes his chakra control allows him to see faster, because if you look at the hyuugas when they look at the opponent chakra flows to everywhere on them, because all organs are affiliated with the chakra network. Like how he can make himself stronger by flowing chakra into muscles its no different to put chakra in the eyes since he has that much control to make him see and percieve things faster.

Im back necro

 

[psayian]

My point is that speed and eye speed are separate. We don't know that Gai or Lee don't get tunnel vision when moving at super high speed.

Actually we do according to the movies, and when lee went 4th gate vs gaara.

It was from his POV.

And yes MOVIE jutsu's are included in the Databook, so they are real abilities kishi will later use, so are fillers and anime's. Look at hinata in DB3

 

[FreeMySoul]

sharingan

 

[generalshrike]

Actually we do according to the movies, and when lee went 4th gate vs gaara.

It was from his POV.

And yes MOVIE jutsu's are included in the Databook, so they are real abilities kishi will later use, so are fillers and anime's. Look at hinata in DB3

According to the anime when Lee fought Gara for the chunin exam he got tunnel vision when the perspective was in first person. I will value the main anime over a filler movie any day.

 

[generalshrike]

Ok general this is what your getting the world of Naruto DOES NOT apply to all the human rules, and all ninja's in this Naruto world run at like 30 miles a hour.... They travel to the other side of the known naruto world in like 5-7 days. I'll get the manga to show you later.

Also naruto is making his synpases work faster, by using his chakra control and pumping more chakra to get them to recieve data to the brain faster, and putting it into they eyes so they can see faster? At a certain speed you get tunnel vision. Kakashi got this the first time he used raikiri was a awesome attack but moved to fast, so he needed to sharingan. Why, because the visual dojutsu in the eye allows you to see and percieve things faster, because there is chakra in them.

Naruto has worked chakra control where he can transmit it to his brain and eyes now, which allows him to percieve speed! faster like the sharingan It doesn't predict the moves, and the word SENSE.

It's like if you close your eyes and you can feel the wall is near thats all it does. It makes you feel something ethereal there even if you cant hear smell touch. Thats his SM sense, his KM sense is more malice. As you saw with A the reason he couldnt be in KM he hit himself with a TBB, by accident and exhausted his chakra doing it.

Even in SM he has different eyes. in KM he has the normal eyes, with a chakra shroud enabling him to move faster and percieve faster. KM is like a super sayian version of naruto that increases everything all natural, physical, chakra abilities is a Big boost. So yes his chakra control allows him to see faster, because if you look at the hyuugas when they look at the opponent chakra flows to everywhere on them, because all organs are affiliated with the chakra network. Like how he can make himself stronger by flowing chakra into muscles its no different to put chakra in the eyes since he has that much control to make him see and percieve things faster.

Im back necro

That's a great argument I didn't think of that. But you have to admit that Naruto isn't moving anywhere light speed, even if he is fast in KM. I will concede to the point that Naruto laws are different than real world ones.

 

[psayian]

According to the anime when Lee fought Gara for the chunin exam he got tunnel vision when the perspective was in first person. I will value the main anime over a filler movie any day.

THat wasnt tunnel vision that was a camera effect. And guy attack kisame head on and lee did kimimaro head on. .

 

[psayian]

That's a great argument I didn't think of that. But you have to admit that Naruto isn't moving anywhere light speed, even if he is fast in KM. I will concede to the point that Naruto laws are different than real world ones.

ill + rep u because ur an awesome debater. And i do agree to that maybe like 1/300th speed of light tho.

 

[BloodSeed]

give it up these sharingan lovers wont accept any facts coz they like it so much they wish they also have one

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sasuke is clueless he cant keep up to the speed of raikage so he just activated his susano. lol

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naruto can see A's fastest attack.

 

[The Work]

Wasn't the reason that Sharingan was made to be better than normal eyes? Lol

 

[psayian]

Wasn't the reason that Sharingan was made to be better than normal eyes? Lol

read more posts then you'll see how read the thread even if its long i read the whole thing >.>

 

[BloodSeed]

since theres a lot of uchiha fans here who wants sharingan eyes themselves i have a good business idea, im gonna sell contact lens with sharingan design online :rofl:

 

[psayian]

since theres a lot of uchiha fans here who wants sharingan eyes themselves i have a good business idea, im gonna sell contact lens with sharingan design online :rofl:

bro they already did that lol.

 

[BloodSeed]

bro they already did that lol.

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