#Naruto

[Darth AniCetuS]

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[Megax Rocker7]

Well you want to stay delusional then so be it. I tried and this is the first time I had a conversation with you I believe, so whoever you think you schooled is not me. You're not qualified enough anyway...

Well your argument was weak so what did you expect me to say.
Anyway I hope you're not butthurt enough to reply to this post...xd

Changing your user name won't fool me because you have the same shitty sig, the same shitty logic, and the same shitty arguments.

as always, concession accepted.

 

[To Whatever]

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Absolutely shite :sdo2: :axedance: :elmo:



It's also Naruto's fault that he never had a single defenitive victory against Sasuke :sdo:

As I said, ya'll are the ones making excuses about Naruto not having a killing intent(Sasuke didn't have his hatred either) and I countered by one of the millions of nerfs Sasuke had in that battle.

Only the weak do not make a valid argument and I thought I already schooled yo ass on this matter many times but your fanboism clouds your judgement as always.

If you have no intention of putting up a good counter argument then please for the love of the merciful god stop replying to me with yo cancerous BS. Please.

Im referring to vote 2. What would that sword have done?

You're comparing two different power modes and time periods to validate your assertion.

Explain how a sword would have changed the outcome of a predetermined fight.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Changing your user name won't fool me because you have the same shitty sig, the same shitty logic, and the same shitty arguments.

as always, concession accepted.

Butthurt confirmed. Anyway I don't remember talking to you. People always forget insignificant things, however if you think we ever had a conversation and you still remember me then I guess I must have rustled your jimmies enough to leave such an impact..

So here as a goodwill gesture =D

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[gerizzyYMcrew]

No, when you are reading a novel everything won't be stated. To answer some questions, it involves thinking out of the box or following the author's implied meaning. Here the implied meaning was that he never meant to kill Naruto but to rather test him given the disadvantage. Sasuke throughout the whole fight was testing Naruto's guts to never give up and he wanted to mainly know why he considers himself as his friend. He was playing it all along because deep inside him, he knew it that Naruto always walked in front of him. This whole fight was a battle of ideologies more than a physical battle.

pure fanfiction unless stated by kishimoto

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

pure fanfiction unless stated by kishimoto

So when something needs to be implied from a manga panel it is fanfiction?

Itachi ran away from Jiraiya claiming he was stronger, does that mean that was the case or was there some other thing behind it?

In Sasuke's case he was never meaning to kill Naruto, he was just testing his guts and why Naruto wanted to always run after Sasuke. He saw it in his strength. It was a test to see if his will would stand against Sasuke's imposing will(the reason he chose to be Hokage).

Noting more, nothing less.

 

[Otsuutsuuki]

I already countered this, perhaps you didn't bother reading. I said Sasuke didn't take away all of Naruto chakra with his Preta Path when he could've which is what gave Naruto some remaining strength to counter his slow moving Chidori. For all we know he could've streamed his Chidori and avoid risking to get hit.

You see so many moves yet Sasuke was made to look like the idiot. Yes manga facts do speak loud and proud and I'm being the most logical about Sasuke's moves. He was badly"nerfed" and tbh I hate repeating this word.

You not countered anything there. You put your own POV into manga situation. You're not Naruto story writer here and your viewpoint not same as Kishi's own. Thats mean you couldnt put words into my mouth like you are right when the truth is, you were wrong.

He need a momentum to struck that Chidori into Naruto's body. Still he will leave some room for Naruto to make a counter in Kishi's surprise style. What Sasuke did in that panel is the most logical move and not your own way of thinking.

Kishi on Naruto, whatever will happen to him logically, he(Kishi) will find a way to pull out a surprise move(from Naruto) bcus Naruto was the MC. You need to take that into consideration bcus your base of Arguments here is akin to what 'if battle' and not 'story battle' that surely would get influenced from outside(Writer and Rule of Manga's Main Character).

He not badly nerfed but lacked strategy/using wrong strategy.

Kishi already dumbed down Hebi Sasuke to be on Naruto's level after he couldn't keep his emotions intact. I hope you know that already as for Ameno. Honestly Sasuke could've used an Ameno Snipe on Naruto but didn't. He used it only once. What Kishi was intending to portray for the first half of the fight was to make Sasuke's ideals clash against Naruto's ideals. Sasuke would ask the questions and Naruto would understand them. At the end of the fight he would accept that he was wrong. Sasuke's battle strategy as I said before is to pull out his big jutsus and making Naruto toughen up and pull his out two.

It was like the Hashirama vs Madara one, where Madara uses his PS armor on top of Kurama and then Hashirama pulls out his SS to counter. Sasuke's main purpose is to tire out Naruto by displaying various sets of abilities but never more than once. I'm talking about the heavy hitter jutsus. Sasuke was testing out Naruto and whatever you'd need to do that is the strategy you'd want to follow.

Ameno snipe or Ameno anything, not mean he will get easy victory on Naruto, Naruto already countered Sasuke's first Ameno strike, from that it not too far-fetch to say he can counter other same moves. The thing you missed here is that Ameno and after-moveset not connected very well in some cases.

Ameno works like FTG Kunai and not FTG mark on body.


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To summarize what happen above:

-When the user of FTG Kunai or Ameno teleport near their target, it leave a small space in between the user and target. Faster opponent(like Kaguya, and Naruto) can counter it/defend from it/avoid it. We discuss about this many times. Ameno or FTG is instant but not attacking movement.

Unless FTG user or Ameno user mark their opponent body.

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I dont need to counter all your post here as it irrelevent and far reaching.

But to let you know (even 10 yrs old could understand the logic behind it), when one person brought out his most powerful move, do you expect the other guy would still using the same underpower tech? surely not, he will bring out the most powerful tech he had to counter it.

Its not about testing a gut non-sense you said here. Sasuke or Madara clearly want to put an end to their Rival.

No, they were forming both attacks simultaneously. Kurama was gaining more NE to strengthen the Dual RS while Sasuke made his BPS to form Indra's arrow. He tested Naruto's determination further here.

Nope. Sasuke pull out Indra Arrow first and in turned forcing Naruto to create Kurama's Ashura Avatar. I dont know how you came into that conclusion. Desperation I think. Pathetic

Sasuke had to power up because he wanted Naruto to stop being a lame ass and start going seriously. I think he states after he creates the attack that would counter this "You've finally gotten serious". He's doing all in his power to make Naruto try harder instead of all of the dodging and ducking crap. He wants Naruto to be upfront with him. He's basically demanding answers. It's not reaching, it's thinking logically. There's a difference.

The fact/important point you ignored here is Naruto dont want to kill Sasuke. Sure Naruto need to step up his game bcus Sasuke pulling out Indra Arrow.

What with long writing you had here? I counter this post with simple post bcus its all logic/logical thinking+fact and not made up thing(like you did here)

Too reaching.

Naruto also needs a huge amount of NE intake to combat that power. Don't act like Naruto didn't have to power up or anything.

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NE is natural energy which doesn't come from the user, it comes from an external source and Naruto having RSM means that he can withhold just a tremendous amount of chakra. Naruto is physically stronger than him so he tried to limit his opportunities but don't forget Naruto also got a powerup.

No where did I said that Naruto didn't have to power up. I said they were on par - Naruto with Kurama Ava and Sasuke with PS.

To kill Naruto, Sasuke need other power source to be above Naruto and when Naruto saw BPS, he created KA shadow clones. One of his clone was strike by BPS and drop down.

Sasuke then went to created Indra Arrow and one of KA that crashed landed on earth collecting NE for Naruto and the rest you can read it in manga.

After Sasuke created BPS and Indra Arrow, Naruto made his move. He created Kurama's Ashura Avatar and gathering NE

Honestly the RG if he used it on Naruto would've captured him in a flash but I not going to get into this one now since it doesn't pertain to your points right now but another wasted opportunity just to show that he meant no harm to Naruto.

Are you Naruto manga author????

Sasuke comes unprepared to almost every battle, he doesn't need ntel to still be able to counter his Kurama Ava clones. It's true that he didn't exactly know about RSM Naruto's potential but some of it he did witness from when Naruto was battling Kaguya. He alo saw his mastery over RSM. But why need to know about it, when you can counter it.

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Naruto is the number 1 unpredicatable ninja and you'd expect people won't know what's coming at them but everytime Naruto does something unpredicatable, Sasuke's always got a counter for.

You know the people who know barely anything about the opponent's moves and are still able to pull through, those are the guys that are the most impressive. It's the same way when Sasuke was battling a much superior Bee.

Your post here went to far and exiting from the main points of the post you quoted and the post I quoted

Your post that I quoted before:

If anything he did have a strategy and that was to push Naruto to his limits. He had to bring the big guns out and to counter Naruto's Dual RS, he fored his strongest attack the Indra's arrow. He had a counter for each of Naruto's moves. His main plan was to not get Naruto killed. He knew that Naruto would use his Kurama avatar so he used his BPS to counter Kurama. He had a strategy but a lot of his arsenal was restricted and the things you say he had are also examples of further restrictions. All of the Rinnegan's Paths weren't used, Enton was used that much, maybe just an Amaterasu but come on he did much better with the Blaze Release against Madara.

He was severely limited and it's because this fight was rushed unlike VOTE 1.

I counter it with this post:-

"He knew that Naruto would use his Kurama avatar so he used his BPS to counter Kurama." [Obito the Supreme Jin's quote]

-*Face palm* How you came to that conclusion?, I dont know. It actually worse than me (a one dimensional as you accused me to be). I go with Manga and not over reaching here.

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He knows, nothing can defeat and kill Naruto that on par with him with just a PS. He need to seek other power source that beyond Naruto's power.

He never did that on the reason of knowing about Kurama's Ashura Avatar(3 heads and 6 arms). He never know about that potential exist on Naruto. What Naruto did after that is creating Kurama Ava clones. And not Kurama's Ashura Avatar.

And now I get this counter-argument from you that derailed almost and contradict your own words(in red highlight and bold)

I dont feel the need to counter a derailed post.

I know Naruto can counter it, why else would he say that you're my only obstacle. But the method in which he countered is another one of Kishi's mess ups to allow the Naruto fans to celebrate about his feats.

Do you think it's logical for V1 shroud Naruto to tank Amaterasu when a KN8 Bee got destroyed by it.

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Its logical bcus KN8 Bee not a chakra shroud/construct but full flesh.

I stop at here right now. Bcus I need to rest a little. Countering an assumption and an essay that lack in comprehension of situation is mind-numbing.

I will counter the rest later.

 

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Absolutely shite :sdo2: :axedance: :elmo:



It's also Naruto's fault that he never had a single defenitive victory against Sasuke :sdo:

As I said, ya'll are the ones making excuses about Naruto not having a killing intent(Sasuke didn't have his hatred either) and I countered by one of the millions of nerfs Sasuke had in that battle.

Only the weak do not make a valid argument and I thought I already schooled yo ass on this matter many times but your fanboism clouds your judgement as always.

If you have no intention of putting up a good counter argument then please for the love of the merciful god stop replying to me with yo cancerous BS. Please.

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Couldnt help but think of this when I read that panel. Naruto's initial reaction kind of made me laugh.

 

[CoolSonicMan]

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Absolutely shite :sdo2: :axedance: :elmo:



It's also Naruto's fault that he never had a single defenitive victory against Sasuke :sdo:

As I said, ya'll are the ones making excuses about Naruto not having a killing intent(Sasuke didn't have his hatred either) and I countered by one of the millions of nerfs Sasuke had in that battle.

Only the weak do not make a valid argument and I thought I already schooled yo ass on this matter many times but your fanboism clouds your judgement as always.

If you have no intention of putting up a good counter argument then please for the love of the merciful god stop replying to me with yo cancerous BS. Please.

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Couldnt help but think of this when I read that panel. Naruto's initial reaction kind of made me laugh.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Yea everyone already knows this man..... Naruto never wanted to kill Sasuke, so he had to downscale his attacks so would not break the feeble Uchiha bones all at ones.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

You not countered anything there. You put your own POV into manga situation. You're not Naruto story writer here and your viewpoint not same as Kishi's own. Thats mean you couldnt put words into my mouth like you are right when the truth is, you were wrong.

Ok, it seems you just cannot understand what would have happened if Kishi went through with Sasuke assaulting Naruto. You simply refer to the nerfed Sasuke.

Ever hear of Sasuke streaming Chidori.

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If he streamed it with a very weak Naruto cringing down to the ground then the match might have been over. Chidori does a lot of damage when it. Your mouth is just watering for Naruto's balls, so you cannot comprehend the simple fact that he could have used Preta Path to the max without stopping,(how much ever chkra he can absorb aand then stream Chidori).

He need a momentum to struck that Chidori into Naruto's body. Still he will leave some room for Naruto to make a counter in Kishi's surprise style. What Sasuke did in that panel is the most logical move and not your own way of thinking.

He used a Fire Style Fire Ball justu for a distraction fyi.

What part of streaming do you not understand? He doesn't need to run with the Chidori and input it on the opponent ever time. He can stream his attacks and hit a person from a distance. I already posted a picture of him streaming lightning around his body but it isn't lightning armor so don't mistake it for that.


It's the same when you compare Naruto landing the attack on his opponent with his FRS and Naruto throwing his FRS.

Kishi on Naruto, whatever will happen to him logically, he(Kishi) will find a way to pull out a surprise move(from Naruto) bcus Naruto was the MC. You need to take that into consideration bcus your base of Arguments here is akin to what 'if battle' and not 'story battle' that surely would get influenced from outside(Writer and Rule of Manga's Main Character).

He not badly nerfed but lacked strategy/using wrong strategy.

It's pretty lame that Naruto has to hide behind the MC plotshied. Actually tbh I thought Naruto was going to win as well because of that MC bs plotshield but the fact that Sasuke managed to tie with him itself is great.

I already said Naruto was nerfed because he never used techniques against Sasuke that he used against Kaguya but the same goes with Sasuke. You have to be a dumbass to miss that and I am not going to waste my time repeating the same points on how he was nerfed. Sasuke is the MC as well. Naruto and Sasuke have always grown up as brothers so Kishi will find the same way to do it to Sasuke as well.

Maybe you should be the one to take that into consideration instead of ignoring facts.

Ameno snipe or Ameno anything, not mean he will get easy victory on Naruto, Naruto already countered Sasuke's first Ameno strike, from that it not too far-fetch to say he can counter other same moves. The thing you missed here is that Ameno and after-moveset not connected very well in some cases.

Ameno works like FTG Kunai and not FTG mark on body.


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This was already clear. I never argued about the mechanics of Ameno did I.

To summarize what happen above:

-When the user of FTG Kunai or Ameno teleport near their target, it leave a small space in between the user and target. Faster opponent(like Kaguya, and Naruto) can counter it/defend from it/avoid it. We discuss about this many times. Ameno or FTG is instant but not attacking movement.

Unless FTG user or Ameno user mark their opponent body.

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I dont need to counter all your post here as it irrelevent and far reaching.

Naruto can counter his attacks as it has already been proven before as well that Senjutsu can react to S/T but Sasuke can use it a few more times. Every outcome could possibly be different. If he saved up enough chakra at the end after Indra's arrow he could have used Ameno and this is the perfect time Naruto's sense would've been dull. Sasuke's game management was so bad because he wanted to shield the MC from any plot disasters. Blame Kishi for this mess and not Sasuke. The fact that Sasuke resorted to Taijutsu and not saving up more chakra for Ameno instead of Chidori itself shows how nerfed Sasuke was.

My point is Naruto can block it but if Kishi had not restricted Sasuke's game management as he didn't in previous fights then Ameno might've worked at the end o their battle. I simply don't just see the cartoon. I look for the logic in between those panels and picture where did Kishi go wrong with Sasuke's techniques due to a lack of time to display this fight.

The teleportation is instant but the movement to counter after that can be instant as well if though properly.

As I stated multiple times if Sasuke streamed his Chidori after he teleported that movement is instant.

FTG is simply a teleportation technique but the movement can become instant with the teleportation if used right and if he wasn't nerfed. An example that happened in the manga. Minato had Obito marked prior to their meeting in the war and he used FTG. Minato slashing Obito with his Kunai is the example of an instant movement that follows the teleportation. It can be instant but if the right moves are played.

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But to let you know (even 10 yrs old could understand the logic behind it), when one person brought out his most powerful move, do you expect the other guy would still using the same underpower tech? surely not, he will bring out the most powerful tech he had to counter it.

Fail, they were basically developing their strongest justsu at that time at the same time. Sasuke only made his BPS first before Naruto relied on that huge amount of NE energy. The time of development was the same and to counter the strongest justu, it's expected to pull out your strongest jutsu. Where the hell did I say otherwise?

Its not about testing a gut non-sense you said here. Sasuke or Madara clearly want to put an end to their Rival.

Maybe Madara because he finally realized that he was wrong at his death bed after getting spit out by the Bijuu but not Sasuke.

First off transmigrants don't have to act the same way in every sense. It's true that Sasuke was arrogant but deep inside e knew he could not kill his best fiend. Sasuke was bluffing as usual as Naruto and Team 7 meant the world to him. He wanted to reassure through Naruto's technqiues that if he reminded him of his brother who walked ahead of him at all times.

Sasuke did not want to put an end to his rival and people like you who are too dense to understand that simple fact cannot dream of accusing another person of a fanfic.

Nope. Sasuke pull out Indra Arrow first and in turned forcing Naruto to create Kurama's Ashura Avatar. I dont know how you came into that conclusion. Desperation I think. Pathetic

Already responded to this bullshit above and in my previous post. Sasuke created the BPS first which caused Naruto to counter but the development of the Indra's Arrow and the Dual RS was at the same time. Please don't reply again if you can't comprehend this fact.

The fact/important point you ignored here is Naruto dont want to kill Sasuke. Sure Naruto need to step up his game bcus Sasuke pulling out Indra Arrow.

Sasuke never wanted to kill Naruto and you can see it through his actions. Actions speak louder than words and he revealed his true feelings at the end of the fight. Reread the manga smh.

What with long writing you had here? I counter this post with simple post bcus its all logic/logical thinking+fact and not made up thing(like you did here)

Too reaching.

I countered your post by explaining Sasuke's decisions and how he was not used to his max potential. He was nerfed.

And for the sake of time, I didn't bother responding to the rest of your bullshit because it's so redundant. You keep saying the same thing, I keep correcting you and showing you examples of how he was nerfed and not a bad game play from him.

You keep accusing me of reaching and providing scans of things I didn't even argue and I keep correcting you on Kishi's meaning and the mechanics of Ameno. It's a never ending cycle so if you don't mind I going to respond to the last point you made and that's it.

Its logical bcus KN8 Bee not a chakra shroud/construct but full flesh.

I stop at here right now. Bcus I need to rest a little. Countering an assumption and an essay that lack in comprehension of situation is mind-numbing.

I will counter the rest later.

Ok your right about Amaterasu. It doesn't affect chakra cloaks at all but the anime fuked it up.

Also don't bother with the rest, I am tired of your inability to not understand how Sasuke was nerfed from the examples I have given on the previous 2 posts.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

So when something needs to be implied from a manga panel it is fanfiction?

Itachi ran away from Jiraiya claiming he was stronger, does that mean that was the case or was there some other thing behind it?

In Sasuke's case he was never meaning to kill Naruto, he was just testing his guts and why Naruto wanted to always run after Sasuke. He saw it in his strength. It was a test to see if his will would stand against Sasuke's imposing will(the reason he chose to be Hokage).

Noting more, nothing less.

sasuke stated multiple times that he intended to kill naruto...and kishi >>> your irrelevant ass

 

[Otsuutsuuki]

I countered your post by explaining Sasuke's decisions and how he was not used to his max potential. He was nerfed.

And for the sake of time, I didn't bother responding to the rest of your bullshit because it's so redundant. You keep saying the same thing, I keep correcting you and showing you examples of how he was nerfed and not a bad game play from him.

You keep accusing me of reaching and providing scans of things I didn't even argue and I keep correcting you on Kishi's meaning and the mechanics of Ameno. It's a never ending cycle so if you don't mind I going to respond to the last point you made and that's it.

The biggest lie ever. It's another way around. You're not making anything clear and explaining but just went with your stone head.

I'm the one that need to clear it our for you but for too reaching people like you(by bring in pictures and dumbing-down/ break it to you). Nothing can passed the firewall of ignorant.

Bye

 

[NarutoX28]

Preta Path just absorbs the attack.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

sasuke stated multiple times that he intended to kill naruto...and kishi >>> your irrelevant ass

Only fools are still ignorant enough to not see through his bluff. He never intended to kill Naruto. Kishi > your stupid ass.

The biggest lie ever. It's another way around. You're not making anything clear and explaining but just went with your stone head.

I'm the one that need to clear it our for you but for too reaching people like you(by bring in pictures and dumbing-down/ break it to you). Nothing can passed the firewall of ignorant.

Bye

I proved you wrong that he was nerfed yet you still keep posting bullshit. Goodbye Shadow Clone.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Only fools are still ignorant enough to not see through his bluff. He never intended to kill Naruto. Kishi > your stupid ass.

I've got multiple quotes from the manga stating otherwise from sasuke (kishi) himself...this is not the fanfiction section you mental midget

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Only fools are still ignorant enough to not see through his bluff. He never intended to kill Naruto. Kishi > your stupid ass.

Well if he didn't intend to kill Naruto, then why did he shoot a 8.5 Bijuu powered Indra's arrow his most powerful attack targetting Naruto.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

I've got multiple quotes from the manga stating otherwise from sasuke (kishi) himself...this is not the fanfiction section you mental midget

Read this. It's summed up nicely.

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If Sasuke wanted to kill/capture Naruto he would have done so when he captured the 8.5 Bijuu.

Nice insults you clown. :elmo: It shows how much you can't understand about Sasuke's feelings.

Well if he didn't intend to kill Naruto, then why did he shoot a 8.5 Bijuu powered Indra's arrow his most powerful attack targetting Naruto.

He shot it because he knew Naruto could defend himself. Sasuke was testing Naruto by acting like he was going to kill him. Both didn't have the killing intent and Sasuke was discreet abut his feelings. If he wanted to kill Naruto he would have done that ages ago after that VOTE 1 fight.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Read this. It's summed up nicely.

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If Sasuke wanted to kill/capture Naruto he would have done so when he captured the 8.5 Bijuu.

nice job of making my argument for me clown :sdo:

"yea I'm gonna go easy on you by absorbing chakra form all 9 tailed beasts and firing my strongest attack at you while you can quote me multiple times on me telling you that I'm gonna kill you" :sdo:

this is not the ****ing god damn fanfic section you asswipe

 

[To Whatever]

I've got multiple quotes from the manga stating otherwise from sasuke (kishi) himself...this is not the fanfiction section you mental midget

You should stop arguing with idiots. Just let him have it.

The kid can barely see the manga for what it is without the over analysis of irrelevancies.

He believes since he didn't do a certain thing that he wasn't trying to kill Naruto.

Despite stating and attempting to do so multiple times.