[Discussion] naruto without 9 tail level

[wanderingcactus]

he'd be a master like his dad already.

If not for Kurama messing him up and always getting him killed just so Naruto would break the seal,
Naruto would have probably utilized some of the Uzumaki techniques on top of it all.

Probably going to be on the same pace as Itachi by the looks of it, talent-wise. He'd still be dumb as a rock though.
That's Sasuke's trait. I think him being dumb and being a prankster is simply due to the fact that his parents died and everyone casted him aside.
If they didn't maybe he would be a respectable character as well.

 

[Marin]

He'd have FTG, SM, summonings, Rasengan etc so he'd still be pretty powerful.

 

[take it easy]

Yet Uzumaki's don't and was never said to have high chakra reserves. Added that Kurama said Naruto inherited Kushina's strong chakra proves you wrong. Added that Kakashi said the same thing proves again that you're 100% wrong. Kurama is the reason for Naruto's stamina and Jiraiya said Kurama's chakra has been mixing with Naruto's since birth raising his chakra pool

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When Kakashi said this Naruto had seal that preventing him from mixing his own chakra with the fox chakra. So his statement is wrong.

 

[SixPathsMike101]

war arc sm naruto was above kage level

He had Kurama link

 

[kiiro]

if he didnt have kurama he would have had mokuton, plus as we can see from the boruto manga base naruto > 5 kage so sage mode is still op

Yes but that development was only possible due Kurama's help.

And he wouldnt have Mokuton because it is a KKG.

 

[kiiro]

Much Weaker.

Naruto has great chakra levels as part Uzumaki. And will have less than now, not only because he can use Kurama's chakra, but becuase the seal makes Kurama's chakra leap to Naruto's automatically.

But, first of all lets see how he grew.

First he wouldn't be able to learn as fast to summons Boss Frogs as he needed Kurama's chakra for it. He will learn it and also have the chakra for it but it will take him more time.

Second, Rasen Futon Shuriken would have taken more time since Naruto used Kurama's chakra to make a clon for each leaf from a tree. Now that would be impossible. Maybe 10 or 100 times longer. Maybe years for it. And if he didnt do that maybe he would even train Sennin mode.

Third, sennin mode would have more dificult since he woulde have less chakra or maybe it would be the same.

Thanks to Kurama Naruto was able to be near Minato's level in chakra control in the war. Without him I dont believe he would accomplish that soon or maybe he wouldnt be able.

So Naruto would be much weaker. But maybe have different jutsus.

 

[kiiro]

Kurama is altering Naruto's chakra control from his birth, but he mastered rasengan in days, rasenshuriken, perfect sage mode with Kurama altering his chakra control.Without Kurama, he would have mastered rasengan in hours...
With a better chakra control from his birth, he would have mastered many techniques.

False, Kurama isnt altering Naruto's chakra control. From where do you get that?

 

[kiiro]

war arc sm naruto was above kage level

Yes, but without Kurama he wouldnt get to that level.

 

[kiiro]

Yet Uzumaki's don't and was never said to have high chakra reserves. Added that Kurama said Naruto inherited Kushina's strong chakra proves you wrong. Added that Kakashi said the same thing proves again that you're 100% wrong. Kurama is the reason for Naruto's stamina and Jiraiya said Kurama's chakra has been mixing with Naruto's since birth raising his chakra pool

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Yes Naruto has chakra from Kurama in his natural stat. But that doesnt take the fact he does have more chakra than average ninjas with his own chakra.

Naruto would have been at least Jiraiya's or Minato's level.

 

[Genocide]

This argument makes no sense.

Are you talking about plot wise? Because having the Kyuubi in no way restricts Naruto's genes, so removing it doesn't pull Mokuton from thin air.

:salt::salt::salt::salt:

 

[davidou]

False, Kurama isnt altering Naruto's chakra control. From where do you get that?

Lol, you claim something without evidence?Nice try but, I have the proof you are wrong.

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And without Kurama in his body from his birth, he would still befriend him and all the beasts one day or the other, because he would still be the child of the prophecy.He would become stronger than what he is without Kurama altering his chakra control from his birth.

 

[Rosenfeldt]

He never had wood style and doesnt now

Naruto could easily use mokuton. He is kage level and so is skilled enough to use several chakra natures plus combining them, and with his Uzumaki stamina and chakra reserves of Ashura it should really be a no brainer to use mokuton. For some reason however Kishimoto decides to leave Naruto with only Sage powers and Futon and ofc the tailed beasts.

 

[DietyOfWind]

kurama was screwing withg narutos chakra control which was why his tech was so much harder for him to learn and master cause his chakra was constantly fluxing the 4 seasons seal made it even worse which was why he couldnt do anything right for a while in part 1 untill that seal got removed cause it was an uneven seal on an even seal or at least that was the explanation at the time but also if his chakra was stable all the time he might very well have had wood style given it was the other transmigrants tech as well also boruto seems to have like 3 elements himself so whos not to say that its not because of narutos genetics finally being able to go through also the series was supposed to be entirely different from my understanding with naruto weilding powers that no one understood but the writer had felt like people would be lost as to where it came from so he changed around the story. Also they did filler episodes for the alternate dimennsions where narutos parents lived that explained he would be a serious genious type char with amazing mastery over jutsus due to his farther being around. I would also say naruto isnt trully stupid he just acts stupid many times he has come up with major ingenious plans that have had big impacts on the outcome of fights which i feel he deserves his wind chakra nature because i feel hes earned it. Anyone who has a complaint or argument with the chakra nature thing can easily go back to the chakra nature paper episode where kakashi explains that people can have other affinities the paper just reveals the strongest one but secondary natures take a lifetime to train normally or at least thats the translation i saw when i watched and read it.

 

[DietyOfWind]

i also want to say if the fourth lived he still would have taught naruto the shadow clone jutsu cause he himself also used it but in a different way.

 

[ichirou]

Naruto has great potential even without Nine tails just from his lineage. Right about now you must know that the reason Naruto was flunking ninjutsu classes in the academy was because of his unstable chakra control disrupted by the Nine tails making it harder for him than anyone else. If it werent for that he can still learn Sage Mode which is pretty OP + the fact that without nine tails the toad elders can stay on his shoulders and generate chakra for him while he fights + provide genjutsu along with the many clones he can make.

 

[OWanime]

Yeah he would stay have a high stamina level and sage mode so at least Shannon level and longevity and ability to bind bijuu whether thru something like Kushina's chains or the monitor but let's be honest without 9-tails he wouldn't have been as ostracized and therefore may have not went through pain which pushed him forward and became his drive to show those who thought he was a monster or lost cause but the discussion is done now lol

 

[ShogunSpiderman89]

Naruto without Kurama has Ashura's chakra as Hagomoro explained in chapter 670 and 4x the chakra who states this during the Rasenshuriken Training and if you watch the video you'll know that Yamato was sealing Kurama and complelty did so going back to when he went 4 Tails against Orochimaru. Anyone who doesn't believe me can search it up and that's why he can contain Kurama according to Kushina in chapter 500. Yamato states in chapter 299 that Kurama isn't the source of his power, but his own, which is strong enough to contain Kurama. Once again the chapter is 299.

Anyway here's the entire Rasenshuriken Training

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He has has Kushina's Uzumaki DNA, which Kurama states in chapter 617 and as for the extraction read chapters 662-63 where the WZ and Kurama both confirm he was alive, but was clearly unconscious and before anyone mentions Sakura reviving him read chapters 664-66 if you want the entire rather than people showing scans to make up their own head canon.

Fukkasaku in the end of chapter 430 he surpassed Jiraya and anyone who's watch the entire knows that Kurama tried to prvent him from using it and here's the entire training just in case anyone's intrested and if they want to know Kurama's version read chapter 645 before he gave the idea of going into Kyubii/Sage Mode. Once again the chapter is 645.

Naruto Sage Mode Training

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Kurama isn't Naruto's only Naruto's chakra reserve as shown in chapter 499.

Once again anyone who's still not convinced can search up everything I'm saying and in chapter 670 he kicks away Madara's TSO without any of the Bijuu.

That'll be my only and once again you can search it up for yourself rather than have other people use scans and take them out of context to make up their own head canon.

Edit: Naruto survived a near death from Kabuto in chapter 168 to see that he survived a near death from Kabuto when Kurama was cut off .

Once again the chapter is 168 and be sure to read the whole thing before anyone uses scans to make up their own head canon

 

[ShogunSpiderman89]

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[HiddenKing]

Naruto would still be OP

 

[Michael]

Yet Uzumaki's don't and was never said to have high chakra reserves. Added that Kurama said Naruto inherited Kushina's strong chakra proves you wrong. Added that Kakashi said the same thing proves again that you're 100% wrong. Kurama is the reason for Naruto's stamina and Jiraiya said Kurama's chakra has been mixing with Naruto's since birth raising his chakra pool

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All uzumaki shown in the manga may not necessarily have the the biggest reserves but all have had exceptionally high quality chakra. Evident in them being able to suppress the bijuu and their sealing techniques. Characters such as Nagato and Karin also have extraordinary abilities and rather exceptional chakra.