Naruto(with kyuubi) is NOT immune to genjutsu

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I don't believe that any character is 'immune' to genjutsu. My only reason for saying this is that Sasuke and Itachi fought each other with genjutsu.. If THEY aren't immune to it why would anyone else be?
 

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You put a "what if " situation against me, and this was most appropriate answer.
You say, if this was so easy as you say, then why obito didn't do it.
i say, plot no jutsu. And as i explained before also, obito could've kidnapped young aged naruto and extracted the beast anytime he wanted.

And yeah , you didn't disagreed , did you ?

Blaming it on plot is far from the most appropriate answer, There are many ways Obito could of achieved controll over the mizukage, Be it from using Mokuton or Hashi's cells in conjugation with his Sharingan, Or sealing the beast inside him away befor he controlled him via Genjutsu, Or even uses the chakra's inside gedo mazo to make the genjutsu far more powerful than it usually is and so on.

All i'm saying is that under normal circumstances, No Perfect jins cannot be controlled by Genjutsu, As Proven by Bee.
Under very special circumstances, Then yes they can.
 

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stopped reading after the bolded part.


Both Killer bee and yagura were mentioned by danzo as perfect jinchuriki who have complete control over jinchuriki , still one of them got controlled by obito. It means killer bee's words only apply to him and not in general , as seen in yagura's case.


it is stated in manga, yagura was the perfect host. manga > your opinion.


I have given the manga proof that yagura was a perfect jin in the OP itself.


Naruto had exactly same reaction in both of the cases. Also you have given no "proof" that it wasn't genjutsu, while i have a proof to support my argument

Danzo said that Yagura had perfect control over his tailed beast, not allied. This could explain how Obito was able to control him.

I saw no evidence that indicates that Obito put Naruto under genjutsu. He was trying to convince Naruto to join him. Why would he do that and put Naruto under genjutsu. Plus, Naruto had that "reaction" for the whole chapter long before Hinata slapped him.
 

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1- That Naruto was fodder level in chakra control. Current Naruto is probably the best in chakra control right now like we've seen how he even handled Kyubi's chakra easily to the point he can even change his chakra pattern to match any individual, so normal genjutsus shouldn't even be able to work on him anymore

2- Kyubi is inside Naruto. For a Sharingan user to catch Kyubi, he would have to get thru Naruto first. By the time Kyubi can dissipate the genjutsu easily.

3- Those same people you mention(Madara, Obito) are fighting Naruto currently since a while, but never attempted a genjutsu, when it could easily make things go softly. Do you know why they don't? Simply because they can't

Those are very good points
 

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Seriously?

Man, I truly sympathize with SilverSlick... This site is an absolute joke. You are obscenely dense and just disregard facts in place of your own faulty opinion. Seriously, you think Hinata slapping Naruto was her knocking him out of Genjutsu?

You just proved how unintelligent and or stupid you are. Please... Stop making threads. It will be beneficial to all of us.
 

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You are asking for something that never happened in the manga. but still i will try ...

Here you can see hinata b*ch slapped naruto the same way, sakura did, to completely snap him out of the genjutsu.

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Thats incorrect Hinata smacked him not cuz he was in a genjutsu it was because he was about to give up due to Neji's death..The one where Sakura smacks him is correct cuz he was under Itachi's genjutsu.
 

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Stick to fact,Sasuke place Bee in a genjutsu,fact 8 tail Brooke Him free of the Genjutsu. A Host has two minds in Him His and the tail beast along with two chakras His and the tail beast and in a perfect union one snaps the other out of a genjutsu the same way that Sakura and the old woman snap Naruto out of Itachi genjutsu.
 

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Come on now, that Killer Bee picture completely proves it...

Killer Bee fought against Itachi and Gyuuki dispelled his genjutsu. He actually woke him up. Gaara never cooperated with his beast ever, and was still able to undergo his transformations. The information on Yagura cannot possibly explain his relationship with Isobu.

Kishimoto clearly just retconned his original information when he decided to have Obito control Yagura, and then re-retconned it afterwards. As of now, you need to have full cooperation to dispel genjutsu.

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Come on now, that Killer Bee picture completely proves it...

Killer Bee fought against Itachi and Gyuuki dispelled his genjutsu. He actually woke him up. Gaara never cooperated with his beast ever, and was still able to undergo his transformations. The information on Yagura cannot possibly explain his relationship with Isobu.

Kishimoto clearly just retconned his original information when he decided to have Obito control Yagura, and then re-retconned it afterwards. As of now, you need to have full cooperation to dispel genjutsu.

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U cant convince sharingan wankers.
 

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So this is the reason behind that post. How very immature. You should know when to stop a fail before you embarrass yourself further. Do doubt I and several others have termed you as a fanboy.

I don't care what other people think about me. NB is going through a typical phase, where most of the members keeping calling each other fanboys and it gets annoying. But the logic you have given me is laughable, if those people jump into a well, you would too , right ...
Which post are you talking about though?

1- That Naruto was fodder level in chakra control. Current Naruto is probably the best in chakra control right now like we've seen how he even handled Kyubi's chakra easily to the point he can even change his chakra pattern to match any individual, so normal genjutsus shouldn't even be able to work on him anymore

2- Kyubi is inside Naruto. For a Sharingan user to catch Kyubi, he would have to get thru Naruto first. By the time Kyubi can dissipate the genjutsu easily.

3- Those same people you mention(Madara, Obito) are fighting Naruto currently since a while, but never attempted a genjutsu, when it could easily make things go softly. Do you know why they don't? Simply because they can't

1. This is mere assumption. Kyuubi always had the ability to transfer chakra to others, he can also do bijju damas which require alot of training and chakra control. Yet he wasn't able to break free through madara/obito's genjutsu.
Passing chakra to others doesn't make you better at enduring/breaking through genjutsu. This is something even sakura/chiyo could do , they did pass their chakra to naruto to disrupt his chakra and take him out of genjutsu .
But still, i think it makes it easier for naruto to disrupt other's chakra and breaking them out of genjutsu.

2. this is optimistic thinking. Even A perfect jinchuriki such as yagura got trapped in a genjutsu and that too by a sharingan user itself. If this was so easy as you describe, how come a perfect jin. got trapped in it ?

3. Using genjutsu is best in a 1vs1 battle, there was no battle in war arc, which naruto fought alone.
Against jin. paths, it was clear, obito was having trouble in controlling those paths and couldn't use their rinnegan abilities due to lack of chakra.
And still there was kakashi,guy and bee to back up naruto even if he was caught under a genjutsu. So yea it was pretty much a stale mate to use genjutsu against naruto since he was never alone.

Blaming it on plot is far from the most appropriate answer, There are many ways Obito could of achieved controll over the mizukage, Be it from using Mokuton or Hashi's cells in conjugation with his Sharingan, Or sealing the beast inside him away befor he controlled him via Genjutsu, Or even uses the chakra's inside gedo mazo to make the genjutsu far more powerful than it usually is and so on.

All i'm saying is that under normal circumstances, No Perfect jins cannot be controlled by Genjutsu, As Proven by Bee.
Under very special circumstances, Then yes they can.

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Manga suggests he used sharingan and sharingan only.
All those methods you are saying are just pure assumptions and i doubt you have manga facts to back up your claims.

Hashi DNA enhances MS capabilities and obito's MS doesn't help him in genjutsu .
 

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apart from itachi's tsukyomi, infinite tsukyomi, KA i suppose they are pretty much immune.
 
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Yagura was not a perfect jinchuuriki. He simply was able to control his Bijuu to some extent just like Ga'ara was able to control Shukaku to some extent, and even transformed to his form while controlling him. This doesn't mean he is a perfect Jin, it's different!
 

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Guys, don't try to convince him. He'll just dismiss your opinion as an assumption even though the premise of this thread has already been corrected.
 
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