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So it was Iruka's choice to pass him or fail him, his choice was to pass him blame Iruka for that
Naruto went too far / Boruto Double Standards
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Sounds like he broke the law to cheat in an exam and was excused from it.
That's totally what Naruto did when Boruto tried it huh
I agree with what Demon Hawk said, but I also wanted to point out something.
In Naruto's case, he wasn't really cheating when he stole the scroll. He was tricked into doing it by Mizuki. He didn't know what TO do with the scroll, so he opened it up and started looking at the hidden techniques. He found one and began training extremely hard.
That's the difference here. Boruto was tricked into using the device, but he didn't train for any of the abilities he put inside of them bar the Shadow Clone Jutsu. Sure he can use Raiton and Suiton, but obviously not at that level.
I understand you're disliking of Naruto removing Boruto's headband in-front of everyone, but you have to put yourself in the Hokage's shoes. He is the son of the Hokage, and therefore is not just a representation of the Village, but a represention of yourself, as your child.
Not only did Boruto not heed Naruto's warning about not cheating, he used it in almost every match (despite Boruto doing it for Naruto and his team mates). So in that sense, Boruto wasn't ready to be a shinobi yet. Even Sasuke noted this a few times before Boruto become a "True" shinobi.
You should also look back to how proud Naruto was of his son, even pretending to not really be interested in the Exams until Shikamaru left the room. He was also hurt that his son's accomplishments didn't even come from himself. It's not a two way streak of pain.
In Naruto's case, he wasn't really cheating when he stole the scroll. He was tricked into doing it by Mizuki. He didn't know what TO do with the scroll, so he opened it up and started looking at the hidden techniques. He found one and began training extremely hard.
That's the difference here. Boruto was tricked into using the device, but he didn't train for any of the abilities he put inside of them bar the Shadow Clone Jutsu. Sure he can use Raiton and Suiton, but obviously not at that level.
I understand you're disliking of Naruto removing Boruto's headband in-front of everyone, but you have to put yourself in the Hokage's shoes. He is the son of the Hokage, and therefore is not just a representation of the Village, but a represention of yourself, as your child.
Not only did Boruto not heed Naruto's warning about not cheating, he used it in almost every match (despite Boruto doing it for Naruto and his team mates). So in that sense, Boruto wasn't ready to be a shinobi yet. Even Sasuke noted this a few times before Boruto become a "True" shinobi.
You should also look back to how proud Naruto was of his son, even pretending to not really be interested in the Exams until Shikamaru left the room. He was also hurt that his son's accomplishments didn't even come from himself. It's not a two way streak of pain.
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Naruto is hokage now no matter who it is naruto as hokage had to do that dummy. If naruto didn't do that then what would the village think about him? Besides he was teaching boruto u can't cheat to get ahead u have to work hard like naruto did . Also naruto forgave nagato Obito and sasuke because he understood where they came from they experienced pain from war boruto went thru none of that he has no excuse really
Summoning is part of the training in the academy a student able to summon obviously comes from his own skill as not everyone can summon
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- It doesn't matter, I already countered this with my killer example two wrongs don't make a right. Just because naruto cheated before does not make it right for bolt to do the same
- How was he to punish him then? Allow bolt to advance and let shikadai fail? Even if he punished him behind closed doors that would still be unfair.
- He understands that is why he did what he did
- Not in an exam he didn't. And all those he forgave he never forced anyone else to forgive them, as a leader naruto shouldn't allow his own sentiments to get in the way. Naruto was not raised by the third for this very reason
- Not really, bolt failed because he went against the rules. In naruto's chunin exams such rules did not exist. People get penalized for using calculators in a non-calculator exam but not in a calculator exam. Rules are rules
-It isn't 50% naruto's fault, you don't see himawari acting like that and she's even younger than bolt.
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Well if you can't see the difference between someone using his/her own POWER to form a contract, perform a summoning, and use what little power he got from a BIJUU, to someone using a device that can be used by anyone whether they're a ninja or not, which if i might add was also Banned from being used n the exam then that's just stupid of you
He failed the exam he took the scroll thinking that if he could SHOW iruka, that he could perform a jutsu from that scroll that he would pass. Which he did so if he was cheating Iruka would have failed him and passed him
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I get that it's part of the character but Naruto's understanding and forgiveness of every single person in the NV ever except for his own son who Naruto personally himself put in this desperate situation is tragic.
Something in that doesn't sit well. There were other ways to handle it and Hokage role or not- it's uncomfortable that a goofball like Naruto even when not in public demands his son to refer to him by his title. It's the same logic going on here. He's being a strict Hokage and stopping being Naruto.
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Naruto is the forgiving compassionate type who forgave Sasuke, Nagato and Obito- gaining them as allies in the process through understanding. Naruto showed Boruto no understanding and doesn't deserve him as an ally/family member. It's only down to Sasuke and plot that everything turned out okay.
HENCE the real final point of the thread which is moreso the second point. Naruto has lost his Naruto. His uniting feature has been whittled down to a soulless "teamwork & perserverence."
This is clear in the scene he says it on live TV thoughtlessly like a catchphrase and then instantly turns away from the TV and repeats the exact same words to Boruto. How is a kid like that meant to take that in or be motivated by that?! How is anybody? Naruto has lost his spark. He's a Hokage sure and you guys can argue that and I understand the procedure...but Naruto is above all of this and always has. There were other ways to handle this.
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One difference between scroll, kyuubi and device is that kyuubi and scroll requires some real skills to use them. You cant call Naruto cheater only because he used his advantages over opponents.
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First off all people say it's double standards bcz Naruto used the Kyubi chakra in his own exam and how ninja tools, sacred scrolls and a dog for a partner are the same as those bracelets well it's not.
In the matter of Ninja tools, sacred scrolls and more... you have to actually learn to use them and use your own chakra...
The bracelets dont have that you just need to press a buttom and bum you have a A rank ninjutsu and you dont use your own chakra for it aswell. So techniqly it's cheating plus it was clearly forbiden by the Hokage.
As for the kyubi chakra thats also not cheating the fact that Kurama i sealed inside of him make the chakra his own. Plus you need to train and do other even more complicated aspects to gain control over that chakra.
And the main difference bettwen Naruto and Boruto is that Naruto his whole life struggled and trained hard and won in many matches with pure mental streanght while Boruto never really trains and always searches for the easy way out of a problem instead of the right one.
It was clearly say so in the movie when Naruto tells to Sasuke: "His clothes are always clean".
Thats the main point. Naruto and Boruto in the same age had similar pains and desires, Narutos that the village accepts him as a person. Boruto that his father accepts him and gives more attention to him. The difference is Naruto worked hard for that, Boruto cheats and doesnt actually do much to get the respect he wants.
I really disliked how Boruto whenever in a pinch used the bracelet, he almost didnt in the battle against that Cloud ninja but then lost confidence in him self.
In the matter of Ninja tools, sacred scrolls and more... you have to actually learn to use them and use your own chakra...
The bracelets dont have that you just need to press a buttom and bum you have a A rank ninjutsu and you dont use your own chakra for it aswell. So techniqly it's cheating plus it was clearly forbiden by the Hokage.
As for the kyubi chakra thats also not cheating the fact that Kurama i sealed inside of him make the chakra his own. Plus you need to train and do other even more complicated aspects to gain control over that chakra.
And the main difference bettwen Naruto and Boruto is that Naruto his whole life struggled and trained hard and won in many matches with pure mental streanght while Boruto never really trains and always searches for the easy way out of a problem instead of the right one.
It was clearly say so in the movie when Naruto tells to Sasuke: "His clothes are always clean".
Thats the main point. Naruto and Boruto in the same age had similar pains and desires, Narutos that the village accepts him as a person. Boruto that his father accepts him and gives more attention to him. The difference is Naruto worked hard for that, Boruto cheats and doesnt actually do much to get the respect he wants.
I really disliked how Boruto whenever in a pinch used the bracelet, he almost didnt in the battle against that Cloud ninja but then lost confidence in him self.
I understand what you are saying, but I think you were expecting Naruto to handle the situation as himself, when he couldn't do that. Naruto had to handle the situation, as a father and a Hokage at the same time. That's something we haven't seen from Naruto before. He had to be strict yes, and he did forgive Boruto, but he had to reprimand him of his title. Boruto had soiled the Village's name by cheating throughout the Exam's, and he had hurt his father.
Imagine you are the President, and your daughter takes place in a Examination. But she decides to cheat without you noticing until the very end. So when she does get caught, not only are you personally inflicted, you also have to show the world how you take this action very seriously.
He couldn't just take Boruto home and talk it out with him, he had to show the World that he was a capable man and Hokage. This is what sets him apart from his young self. He didn't let his personal feelings for his own son get in the way of acting as a man of the Village.
I really don't see what the big deal is. He's a parent he's supposed to have double-standards. "Gee I did bad things when I was a kid, let me give my kid a pass so he learns absolutely nothing and has zero chance of being better than I was" Boruto would be all ****ed up going by that logic
The kid cheated, during the exam, using something that was strictly prohibited. And for good reason. When Naruto took that scroll he still had to train to learn the technique. You tried to compare it to using "sacred ninja tools, puppets etc" in an earlier comment, but they couldn't be any more different. That device doesn't use any of your chakra or require any technique. Dude that made it basically said you don't even have to be a ninja to use it. Hell HE used the shit. You can't compare that to puppets being manipulated by the user's chakra or ninja tools that the user trained to hone their skills with. That's like comparing a damn home cooked meal to tv dinners man. Tf?!
You said he's so understanding that he let guys like Nagato and Obito off the hook? Niga he FOUGHT them first. Would you have rather had him go whoop his son's ass then give him a pat on the back? Tf you mean?!
And will yall stop it with the Kurama crap. "No effort, he didn't train, blehhhh". Let it go man. What's the point of being a jinchuuriki if you can't even use the damn power? It's like finally getting eternal light for your sharingan only for a niga to tell you EMS techniques are off limits. And he ain't even ask for the shit. His life is constantly in danger of being taken over by an evil beast, and yall be tripping over him getting some chakra in return.
The kid cheated, during the exam, using something that was strictly prohibited. And for good reason. When Naruto took that scroll he still had to train to learn the technique. You tried to compare it to using "sacred ninja tools, puppets etc" in an earlier comment, but they couldn't be any more different. That device doesn't use any of your chakra or require any technique. Dude that made it basically said you don't even have to be a ninja to use it. Hell HE used the shit. You can't compare that to puppets being manipulated by the user's chakra or ninja tools that the user trained to hone their skills with. That's like comparing a damn home cooked meal to tv dinners man. Tf?!
You said he's so understanding that he let guys like Nagato and Obito off the hook? Niga he FOUGHT them first. Would you have rather had him go whoop his son's ass then give him a pat on the back? Tf you mean?!
And will yall stop it with the Kurama crap. "No effort, he didn't train, blehhhh". Let it go man. What's the point of being a jinchuuriki if you can't even use the damn power? It's like finally getting eternal light for your sharingan only for a niga to tell you EMS techniques are off limits. And he ain't even ask for the shit. His life is constantly in danger of being taken over by an evil beast, and yall be tripping over him getting some chakra in return.
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So Naruto should have continued to let Boruto cheat? How would that have looked if the Hokage of a village allowed his son to cheat during the chuunin exams where everyone else is fighting hard and fairly. How would Shikadai have felt knowing that a cheater beat him and got to advance even though he's a cheater? This is stupid anyway.
Something to remember about the Chuunin Exams is that they are supposed to be strict with hard rules! Does no one remember the first Chunin Exam Naruto took?
"Forty-five minutes in to the first stage, genin are given the opportunity to answer the tenth question. They are first warned that, if they answer the question incorrectly, they will not be allowed to take the exams ever again; if they forfeit - which also disqualifies the rest of their team - before hearing the question, they will be allowed to retake the exams another time."-wiki
Of course this turned out to be a trick but that same level of seriousness is shown throughout the exams. The Chunin Exams aren't a game. It's a serious test to see whether you can lead a team properly, a team whose lives are in your hands. If it had been any other ninja, no one would care if he got disqualified. In fact some people would think that was the right punishment that should be given for cheating. However Boruto got what he deserved. Should Naruto have been nicer? Sure. But as a hokage you can't play favorites. And as a parent he needed to discipline Boruto.
Also you have to remember that Naruto had no parents. He did bad things as a kid but there was no one there to discipline him.
I will agree that some things about Naruto's character were pretty messed up...mostly the utter BS that was shown of how Naruto was so tired he could barely send an e-mail. Or that he couldn't attend his daughter's birthday. But I see that as a stupid attempt to create drama...not necessarily a flaw in Naruto's character. The same thing happened to Sasuke in the gaiden. Mind you this is how Naruto looked in 700 before Kishi messed up the plot...
He looks confident, capable and happy. A total contrast to how he is in the Boruto movie.
"Forty-five minutes in to the first stage, genin are given the opportunity to answer the tenth question. They are first warned that, if they answer the question incorrectly, they will not be allowed to take the exams ever again; if they forfeit - which also disqualifies the rest of their team - before hearing the question, they will be allowed to retake the exams another time."-wiki
Of course this turned out to be a trick but that same level of seriousness is shown throughout the exams. The Chunin Exams aren't a game. It's a serious test to see whether you can lead a team properly, a team whose lives are in your hands. If it had been any other ninja, no one would care if he got disqualified. In fact some people would think that was the right punishment that should be given for cheating. However Boruto got what he deserved. Should Naruto have been nicer? Sure. But as a hokage you can't play favorites. And as a parent he needed to discipline Boruto.
Also you have to remember that Naruto had no parents. He did bad things as a kid but there was no one there to discipline him.
I will agree that some things about Naruto's character were pretty messed up...mostly the utter BS that was shown of how Naruto was so tired he could barely send an e-mail. Or that he couldn't attend his daughter's birthday. But I see that as a stupid attempt to create drama...not necessarily a flaw in Naruto's character. The same thing happened to Sasuke in the gaiden. Mind you this is how Naruto looked in 700 before Kishi messed up the plot...
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He looks confident, capable and happy. A total contrast to how he is in the Boruto movie.
Its the rules man deal with it. That jutsu actually has others jutsu sealed inside so the user can cheat with absolutley no training. Its not an ideal tool for a true shinobi to rely on. The Chuunin exams is a serious test involving all major villages. He had to do that as Hokage. There was no room for sympathy especially when he banned it in the first place. One thing Naruto never was is a cheater. He always worked hard fair and square. He was very disappointed but didnt realise that he needed to be there for Boruto BEFORE he cheated
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I laughed hard at that part. The other point you made I now retract my other post when the OP talked about summonings, etc.
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Firstly, let me put you at ease by saying that what Naruto did was surely stern. But I wouldn't object to it since it was the requirement of the situation. Any more leniency would have started to bend towards the "unfairness" side.
@bold Again, you're failing to understand the "why?" factor here. Naruto disqualified Boruto by law, not by his own anger. So there is no point about "forgiveness" here. How should he "forgive" Boruto when he is already perfectly harmonized with him? Doesn't make sense. Plus, their is no excuse since Naruto already banned it in front of Boruto.
And if Naruto should've "forgiven" Boruto, what do you think would have happened? Would all the contestants be happy about Boruto cheating and forgiven by his Hokage dad while having full knowledge that if they'd done it, they'd be disqualified? Would the Gokage be satisfied by this decision? WOULD THAT BE FAIR WITH OTHERS?
@underlined This all becomes irrelevant when put up against the law. The law has no concern with that. Naruto was obliged to follow the law. And ANY contestant that cheats is disqualified. Law doesn't give a f*** about the backstory of thieves i.e. what drove them to stealing. No. It just punishes them.
@red As I already said, Naruto isn't contradicting himself with his deeds. He "forgave" Obito and Nagato and all the deeds they committed out of his own desire. He was angered by them but forgave them, that's on personal level. But he "disqualified" Boruto by the law. And he wasn't angered by him so give him forgiveness of what? And then this goes out of personal level on a social level. Two different scenarios and conditions, bruh.
What Naruto displayed was the epitome of justness and fairness. This is a totally different thing from forgiving Obito and Nagato. This is social, not personal. This is following law, not personal desire. This is for the betterment, not enmity. This is out of bounds, not anger.
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Yo you are really trippin off this movie dude. That one little scene of Boruto getting punished was tragic to you? He saved his life like right after that. You acting like he condemned the kid or something
Bruh DA ****?! They were in the HOKAGE'S OFFICE when he asked Boruto to call him Hokage. That's like the one place he should be called Hokage if nowhere else. Boruto called him "dad" when Naruto went to see him at the house and Naruto didn't make him call him Hokage then. What are you really complaining about here?
Only Sasuke and plot? Boruto wasn't even feeling anything Sasuke was saying about Naruto at first. Sasuke told him that Naruto brought himself up on his own and all Boruto cared about was what his dad's weaknesses were. It wasn't until Boruto saw Naruto bring out the Kurama cloak that he started to think differently about his dad. Then when Naruto risked himself and saved the entire village, that's when Boruto attitude really started to change and he wanted to know more about what his dad had to endure to get to where he was (apart of the "perseverance" theme of the movie) Sasuke planted the seeds and Naruto watered them with his actions. It was because of both of them. What movie did you watch?
Man those two things were the main themes of the movie, and the main things Boruto was lacking and needed to learn. I don't see how you could miss that dude.
Yo if anyone hasn't seen the movie (only the CAM version is out to my knowledge) please go watch it. Trust you will have the wrong idea from this thread. It's really not as serious as this thread made it out to be. Don't get me wrong, we all interpret things differently, but there is a such thing as being a little too sensitive
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