Naruto vs. Sasuke Without Hax Powers

[AlphaScythian]

Dude....uchihas have a natural affinity for battle, strong spiritual energy, powerful chakra, and adept at fire nature transformation, all without the sharingan.
And Naruto? He got stamina....
What are you complaining about

Thats bull. Their battle affinity is result of sharingan, powerful chakra only awakens in brain to fuel sharingan, fire is just one of 5 basic natures, its not something ordinary here, any1 has some nature type.
All this due sharingan, which counter balances battle endurance and spam of w/e technique or nature type stamina based foe has.

In essence its quality vs quantity but w/o sharingan uchiha dont have that quality while naruto can make hundreds of clones from get go.

 

[Amazeballs]

No matter what, they'd be even. Case closed.

 

[Cauzing]

Thats not true orochimaru wanted him becuz he was an uchiha.

he wanted him because of his eyes.

 

[Dantee]

Thats bull. Their battle affinity is result of sharingan, powerful chakra only awakens in brain to fuel sharingan, fire is just one of 5 basic natures, its not something ordinary here, any1 has some nature type.
All this due sharingan, which counter balances battle endurance and spam of w/e technique or nature type stamina based foe has.

In essence its quality vs quantity but w/o sharingan uchiha dont have that quality while naruto can make hundreds of clones from get go.

Opinion soloed, straight manga facts

 

[Troyg39]

Naruto also has a huge chakra pool that enables SM which resulted from his uzamaki heritage and the mixing of the fox's chakra with his own since birth.

Naruto does not have a huge chakra pool on his own. It isn't small but it's not that big either. He couldn't even learn summoning jutsu with his own chakra pool he had to use the fox's.

Uchiha = Spiritual energy boost, powerful chakra, affinity for fire style, natural battle acumen, and they are even talented with ninja tools. None of these things are dependent on the sharingan

you guys keep talking about "make it fair" when the deck is still stacked in sasuke's favor

If you want to make it fair take away Narutos body for sage mode and bijuu powers. Sasuke without sharigan doesn't exist it's in his blood. as your question Sasuke is 3-0. The outcome is obvious.

I think he did take those away. And you know just because you are a uchiha doesnt mean you automatically unlock the sharingan. As far as sasuke winning i agree with that regardless of the sharingan or not. Uchihas are too blessed battle wise

 

[Troyg39]

Thats bull. Their battle affinity is result of sharingan, powerful chakra only awakens in brain to fuel sharingan, fire is just one of 5 basic natures, its not something ordinary here, any1 has some nature type.
All this due sharingan, which counter balances battle endurance and spam of w/e technique or nature type stamina based foe has.

In essence its quality vs quantity but w/o sharingan uchiha dont have that quality while naruto can make hundreds of clones from get go.

Are you kidding me?? you do realize that uchihas use fire style techniques BEFORE awakenening the sharingan right? Do you not remember kakashi pointing out that sasuke shouldn't be able to use a fire style technique at that age? He hadnt even awoken the sharingan yet at that point. he was able to use such a high level move however, BECAUSE OF HIS POWERFUL CHAKRA. Gtfoh

And everyone has a nature of chakra but not eveyone can master transformation. The only wind style attack naruto knows is rasenshuriken and without sm he can't throw it. Assuming sm is off limits since his chakra pool alone wasnt enough to learn it, he isn't hitting base sasuke with that shit let alone rattling off too many of them

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

I voted Sasuke as he is generally a better Shinobi.

But then i saw you included Sage Mode for Naruto. Wouldnt that be seen as a hax power?

I guess if you took away Narutos Kyuubi and Sage mode, as well as Sasukes Sharingan (which of course would include his Susanoo and Amaterasu etc) and left them to battle solely on base powers (ninjutsu, shadow clones, rasengan, blaze release, chidori, shurikens, etc) i think sasuke would have the upper hand.

However, if you are including Sage mode (which to me would still be a little hax) then Naruto would definitely take the win.

 

[ANiMUS]

Naruto does not have a huge chakra pool on his own. It isn't small but it's not that big either. He couldn't even learn summoning jutsu with his own chakra pool he had to use the fox's.

Uchiha = Spiritual energy boost, powerful chakra, affinity for fire style, natural battle acumen, and they are even talented with ninja tools. None of these things are dependent on the sharingan

you guys keep talking about "make it fair" when the deck is still stacked in sasuke's favor



I think he did take those away. And you know just because you are a uchiha doesnt mean you automatically unlock the sharingan. As far as sasuke winning i agree with that regardless of the sharingan or not. Uchihas are too blessed battle wise

U must be trolling. Naruto before the chuunin exam could make 100+ shadow clones, Kiba just recently became able to make 2 and the kicker is that after losing kurama the chakra restricting the kyuubi will be put back in circulation which means that Naruto would have even more chakra

 

[lucario14]

Naruto by some margin coz SM way too op for a sasuke that has no cursed mark and can't copy moves.

This is unfair coz naruto still has uzumaki genes and sasuke has no sharingan? What makes the Uchiha strong are those eyes, same reason that the physical energy (body) makes senju so strong, same reason a large chakra pool makes uzumaki so strong.

Take their genes away and you are left with a naruto that can't mass produce clones, hence training for frs and training for sm would take MUCH longer. It will be much like it was when naruto and sasuke were genin and iirc, naruto was a deadbeat last guy and sasuke was genius of the class guy. Sasuke takes this.

 

[Dannie]

Sasuke has:

>better tactics
>better knowledge
>better speed
>better flexibility
>better perception
>better analysis
>better attacks

Sasuke is better overall.

 

[Troyg39]

U must be trolling. Naruto before the chuunin exam could make 100+ shadow clones, Kiba just recently became able to make 2 and the kicker is that after losing kurama the chakra restricting the kyuubi will be put back in circulation which means that Naruto would have even more chakra

When comparing him to kiba yes his chakra pool looks large. But as large as it is, it wasn't enough for him to learn the summoning jutsu. He had to use the fox's chakra too. I'm not going to bother providing the link. you can go back and read the chapter yourself.

The main point im making is that stamina or not, naruto doesn't have the moveset or battle sense to beat a sasuke, with or without rinnegan. The sharingan isn't the only advantage to being a uchiha. I you take away the kyuubi, you take away a huge chunk of his chakra reserves and most of his moveset power. remember the foxs chakra was mixing into naruto's since birth. no fox = no added chakra reserve from the fox. stamina alone is not enough to compete with sasuke

 

[AlphaScythian]

Are you kidding me?? you do realize that uchihas use fire style techniques BEFORE awakenening the sharingan right? Do you not remember kakashi pointing out that sasuke shouldn't be able to use a fire style technique at that age? He hadnt even awoken the sharingan yet at that point. he was able to use such a high level move however, BECAUSE OF HIS POWERFUL CHAKRA. Gtfoh

And what age was kakashi using, chidori? Which is far more impressive and advanced jutsu. Did he have powerful chakra? And what about his suiton or doton, who the hell knows what was he using 1st.
It just so happens that uchiha are offsprings of hagoromo, they may not gotten the best body but it's aint fodder.

And everyone has a nature of chakra but not eveyone can master transformation. The only wind style attack naruto knows is rasenshuriken and without sm he can't throw it. Assuming sm is off limits since his chakra pool alone wasnt enough to learn it, he isn't hitting base sasuke with that shit let alone rattling off too many of them

The **** he's gonna need FRS for? Frog katas, high reflexes and speed, strenght durability isnt enough, or 5 more toads 2 of which are SM users by themselves.

 

[Troyg39]

And what age was kakashi using, chidori? Which is far more impressive and advanced jutsu. Did he have powerful chakra? And what about his suiton or doton, who the hell knows what was he using 1st.
It just so happens that uchiha are offsprings of hagoromo, they may not gotten the best body but it's aint fodder.

The **** he's gonna need FRS for? Frog katas, high reflexes and speed, strenght durability isnt enough, or 5 more toads 2 of which are SM users by themselves.

1. Kakashi was older than him. Sasuke was only a genin.

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Either way your point about uchiha affinities being tied solely to the sharingan was shat on. So i'm done with that

2. i was assuming that since op took away kurama, it took away sm because the fox aided in recovery which shortened the training duration and also since we know naruto has had kurama's chakra mixed into his own since birth, taking away kurama would take away that added chakra reserve. So I don't count sm techniques. And without sm he's not beating sasuke with or without sharingan because as I said the sharingan isn't the only advantage to being a uchiha

 

[AlphaScythian]

1. Kakashi was older than him. Sasuke was only a genin.

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Either way your point about uchiha affinities being tied solely to the sharingan was shat on. So i'm done with that

Your face was shat on. This scan is only testament that sasuke had some decent stamina from start but its no where near to what naruto had.
The powerful chakra was stated to originate in brain and is the one that fuels sharingan.
Get your manga facts straight.
Obito is the best example to show what uchiha are like w/o sharingan.

2. i was assuming that since op took away kurama, it took away sm because the fox aided in recovery which shortened the training duration and also since we know naruto has had kurama's chakra mixed into his own since birth, taking away kurama would take away that added chakra reserve. So I don't count sm techniques. And without sm he's not beating sasuke with or without sharingan because as I said the sharingan isn't the only advantage to being a uchiha

I dont know how degraded is your vision but OP clearly mentioned naruto having SM.
And with SM naruto would clearly beat base sasuke unless one starts pulling wireless susanoo shit.

 

[ANiMUS]

When comparing him to kiba yes his chakra pool looks large. But as large as it is, it wasn't enough for him to learn the summoning jutsu. He had to use the fox's chakra too. I'm not going to bother providing the link. you can go back and read the chapter yourself.

The main point im making is that stamina or not, naruto doesn't have the moveset or battle sense to beat a sasuke, with or without rinnegan. The sharingan isn't the only advantage to being a uchiha. I you take away the kyuubi, you take away a huge chunk of his chakra reserves and most of his moveset power. remember the foxs chakra was mixing into naruto's since birth. no fox = no added chakra reserve from the fox. stamina alone is not enough to compete with sasuke

Without the fox's chakra mixing with Naruto's he would have never had the huge chakra pool that is neccessary for SM. That is why the fairest fight you can get is SM vs MS. Naruto making the most of his reserves and Sasuke with the full power of his own sharingan. If you bust it down any lower than you get into basics and Sasuke murders Naruto in the basics

Even matchups
EMS and KCM/BM
MS and SM
Hebi vs Naruto w/ kyuubi chakra 4 Tailed
3T and Base Naruto

 

[SeBa]

lol i put sasuke )))))) sry don't count that...
naruto.

 

[Sageflash]

SM Naruto slaughters.

Sasuke needs Sharingan to be on par with any version of Naruto.

 

[ANiMUS]

SM Naruto slaughters.

Sasuke needs Sharingan to be on par with any version of Naruto.

3T Sasuke pwns Base Naruto

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Thats bull. Their battle affinity is result of sharingan, powerful chakra only awakens in brain to fuel sharingan, fire is just one of 5 basic natures, its not something ordinary here, any1 has some nature type.
All this due sharingan, which counter balances battle endurance and spam of w/e technique or nature type stamina based foe has.

In essence its quality vs quantity but w/o sharingan uchiha dont have that quality while naruto can make hundreds of clones from get go.

so much fail I can't even respond

base sasuke 2 elements better speed better taijutsu better intelligence multiple weapon better chakra control manga facts

large chakra pool hasnt done much for naruto hax sh.... like the kyubi and sage mode has all but 2 feats rasengan/rasenshuriken and achieving sage mode

 

[YellowFang]

Naruto wins with or without his powers from the Sage...

Sasuke is symbolized as his equal but he isn't in actuality...