Naruto vs Hashirama

[BlackFlame44]

Naruto wins, IMO.

Hashirama cant fully suppress naruto's kyuubi chakra, and hashirama cant suppress naruto's sage chakra.

Madara did it with his dragon not sure why hashirama can't

Also not sure how this would allow naruto to seize victory

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Madara's Mokuryuu is much weaker and much smaller in comparison to Hashirama's, yet it was enough to stalemate Nardo and give Nardo and "shit" look on his face.

 

[KingHashirama]

How does he have a better sage mode?

The feats in power done by both them in their sage mode have a clear difference in them.

 

[MickNerks]

dont think so all bijuu dama are thrown back naruto is crushed by 1000 hands also hashirama wood dragon mokujin and flower world surpresses the fck outa naruto sm or not

Naruto has more techiniques than just Bijuu dama. Rasenshurikens would slice cleanly thru and mokuton technique hashirama creates. And blow them to wood chips (except 1000 buhhda).

And Wood dragon never was shown to fully suppress naruto. It removed his kyuubi cloak but he was still in bijuu mode when he escaped.

Madara did it with his dragon not sure why hashirama can't

Also not sure how this would allow naruto to seize victory

Madara didn't fully suppress naruto's abilities. He removed the kyuubi cloak, but naruto still maintained the bijuu mode, and was even able to escape the technique.

The feats in power done by both them in their sage mode have a clear difference in them.

that's in powerful techniques. But in terms of sensing, reaction, durability, speed feats, and physical strength naruto has shown way more feat than hashirama. And we still haven't seen how destructive naruto's sage oodama rasenshuriken is.

So sure hashirama has a powerful sage technique. But his sage mode itself hasn't shown us anything compaired to all the abilities naruto acquired from his sage mode.

 

[VolatileSoul]

Hashirama clearly wins. Naruto can do nothing against Shinsuusenju, and his Bijuudama will simply be caught by it and shoved back in his face.

Naruto wins, IMO.

Hashirama cant fully suppress naruto's kyuubi chakra, and hashirama cant suppress naruto's sage chakra.

Can't? Where did you get this little fanfiction? It certainly wasn't said or even implied in the manga.

 

[MickNerks]

Hashirama clearly wins. Naruto can do nothing against Shinsuusenju, and his Bijuudama will simply be caught by it and shoved back in his face.



Can't? Where did you get this little fanfiction? It certainly wasn't said or even implied in the manga.

It is stated in the 3rd databook.

the page is under kurama's section in the 3rd databook. They use to have it posted in one of the skicky's but for some reason they took it down.

if I can find a scan of the page I would gladly post it for you.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

that's in powerful techniques. But in terms of sensing, reaction, durability, speed feats, and physical strength naruto has shown way more feat than hashirama. And we still haven't seen how destructive naruto's sage oodama rasenshuriken is.

Man you can't be serious, Hashirama in base mode has displayed far superior reaction times and movement speed feats. He's able to effortlessly outrun/intercept Kurama's Bijuudama with no effort what so ever. Kurama's bijuudama moves faster than Naruto's Bijuudama. Durability? He's far superior than Tsunade that's for sure. His regeneration makes him difficult to kill. This is in base, not sage mode. Sage mode Hashirama is quantifiable superior than base Hashirama.

Oodama Rasenshuriken may be powerful, but it's not going to dwarf the Shinsuusenju.

 

[MickNerks]

Man you can't be serious, Hashirama in base mode has displayed far superior reaction times and movement speed feats. He's able to effortlessly outrun/intercept Kurama's Bijuudama with no effort what so ever. Kurama's bijuudama moves faster than Naruto's Bijuudama. Durability? He's far superior than Tsunade that's for sure. His regeneration makes him difficult to kill. This is in base, not sage mode. Sage mode Hashirama is quantifiable superior than base Hashirama.

Oodama Rasenshuriken may be powerful, but it's not going to dwarf the Shinsuusenju.

1. When has Hashirama ever displayed any reaction or speed feats in regards to him intercepting/outrunning a TBB. Please provide the scan because I don't recall that. If you mean when he sommuned the wood golem to intercept the TBB, then that's not a reaction or speed feat, so simply had his technique intercept something that was already coming straight at it.

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On the other hand naruto has displayed reaction and speed feats that have been unsurpassed or even replicated by anyone in the manga (minus minato) on 2 separate occasions. Naruto has on 2 separate occasions completely reacted to point blank range attacks and evaded them. Something hashirama has never demonstrated.

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2. Please can you show me some proof to explain to me how Kurama's TBB has a faster launch speed then Naruto + Kurama's TBB. They are both the same entity.lol (Im not laughing at you, I just think the concept of what you said is hilarious).


3. Durability wise, Hashirama has shown nothing to suggest that he is more durable to sage mode naruto, let alone tsunade. Tsunade was able to recover after getting bi-sected by a tree. Hashirama hasn't demonstated anything that would remotely believe that if you cut him in half he could still save himself. So what he could heal with out hand signs, sakura can do the same exact thing. And in terms of actual durability, Naruto has fell into sharp stones from high heights and come out without a scratch, he also has been stabbed in the hand with a sharp metal rod, but insead of it stabbing him, it shattered on contact. The has never been a time in the thru out this entire manga, where naruto in sage mode has ever taking massive damage. Naruto has durability feats for days, yet hashirama doesn't have much of any.

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4. The only thing that we know Hashirama sage mode enhances is his jutsu abilities, strength, and speed, but nothing suggest that it increased his durability feats. All sage modes give the users different abilities.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Use spoilers dough.

That wood golem feat is a reaction feat. Hashirama wouldn't be able to catch it if he did not have the reactions to accurately do so. It's like catching a baseball.

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Here in this scan, you can see how far the bijuudama is form Hashirama. It's so close that it's nearly point blank.

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In the time, Hashirama was able to cross the distance between the Bijuudama and the 5 Rashomons.

Simply put, this speed feat shows that Hashirama crossed a larger distance than the bijuudama did in the same time frame. Making him quantifiably much faster than a Bijuudama. This feat alone makes him top tier in speed.

For reactions, I don't see how you can deny that Hashirama can easily react to 100% Kurama's bijuudama from near point blank range. The feat is as clear as day.

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that full Kurama's Bijuudama is >= Naruto's in speed. Even Killer Bee has feats of being able to match the speed of Naruto's bijuudama barrage. You think that a much superior bijuu can't replicate what an inferior bijuu(Gyuki) could do? Need I remind you that Naruto is only capable of half the things a full Kurama can do considering their chakra ratios.

Also, what makes full Kurama's bijuudama even faster than what it normally is is by the fact that it was infused with a Perfect Susanoo sword. When infused with the Perfect Susanoo sword, the bijuudama becomes more aerodynamic, thus making it even faster. I hope I don't need to explain to you what aerodynamic means.

I can show you an exact speed calculation on how fast the Bijuudama Shuriken truly is if you want.

You aren't reading into context man, fact of the matter is that Hashirama's regeneration is superior to Tsunades as stated by Madara. Tsunade can already replicate large enzymes at a molecular rate. It's simple powerscaling. Do you honestly believe that getting stabbed with a black rod is an impressive durability feat? Yamato has been stabbed with the Kusanagi sword, yet he lived.

If you want to talk about jutsu durability, the scans speak for itself. Base Mokuton can tank a bijuudama from point blank range with no damage, Rashomons were still intact after taking a direct hit from a mountain fragmenter, and the Shinsuusenju was still in tact after receiving dozens of Bijuudama and Perfect Susanoo swings.

 

[MickNerks]

You aren't reading into context man, fact of the matter is that Hashirama's regeneration is superior to Tsunades as stated by Madara. Tsunade can already replicate large enzymes at a molecular rate. It's simple powerscaling. Do you honestly believe that getting stabbed with a black rod is an impressive durability feat? Yamato has been stabbed with the Kusanagi sword, yet he lived.

If you want to talk about jutsu durability, the scans speak for itself. Base Mokuton can tank a bijuudama from point blank range with no damage, Rashomons were still intact after taking a direct hit from a mountain fragmenter, and the Shinsuusenju was still in tact after receiving dozens of Bijuudama and Perfect Susanoo swings.

Hey bro, Im gonna respond fully in a little, but im in a meeting right now.

But in regards to Hashirama's durability you are giving him his techiniques durability feats, such as golems durability and rashom gates. Im referring to his own body durability. A sharp rod shattered on naruto's bare hand on contact, that's why it is such a huge durability feat. he fell into sharp rocks and got up with with no pain and no damage. His body has actually show massive durability.

Yamato actually got stabbed by the sword, had it happened to sage naruto it would have stopped on contacted. it wouldn't have pierced him.

 

[Mishima]

Hashirama takes this.

 

[Unorthodox]

naruto wins this

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that rasenshuriken dwarfs shinsuusenju

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Hashirama wins with high diff..

 

[KingHashirama]

naruto wins this

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that rasenshuriken dwarfs shinsuusenju

You do know thats not a Rasenshuriken.. .

that's in powerful techniques. But in terms of sensing, reaction, durability, speed feats, and physical strength naruto has shown way more feat than hashirama. And we still haven't seen how destructive naruto's sage oodama rasenshuriken is.

So sure hashirama has a powerful sage technique. But his sage mode itself hasn't shown us anything compaired to all the abilities naruto acquired from his sage mode.

Sage Mode provides Sensing,reaction, durability, spead feats and physical strength. Applies to all Sage modes. Hashirama has never fought a close combat battle with Sage mode.. because he has never needed to. So there is no possible way of him showing that.

PS: that cross is not a Rasenshuriken......

 

[Draegod]

It actually is Hashirama Extremely High Diff or Naruto. With the Feats he has shown it can go either way. PPL Act like Naruto would be similar to madara and Hashi Fight, but in fact he would be better and do better!

 

[KidGamer65]

naruto wins this

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that rasenshuriken dwarfs shinsuusenju

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[DemonicAvenger]

Naruto takes this.
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[ReverseZero12]

Hashirama takes this mild difficulty. At naruto's current level, he has no chance of beating Hashirama. Pretty obvious fact. I find it laughable that some people actually think that naruto has a remote chance. Then again, it's narutobase -_-

 

[NarutoIndra]

If that was truly an FRS at the end of last chapter, the explosion radius would probably destroy the Shisusenju assuming it grows 15 times bigger than its initial size. Apart from that hashirama low-mid diff.

 

[Xlad]

My first post. I'm quite interested to see how Naruto has a chance. I like to se Demonic's or Micknerks' argument.