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what conclusion? PS being>>>>>shinju in durability? the shinjus wood was chopped by things that cant scratch PS such as tobiramas suiton and emna.

Again, those are branches that are thousands of times smaller than the actual tree itself. I'm not sure why you're using that as a comparison here.

madara wasnt bisected by yoton frs.

That's obviously due to plot which even then, Juubito managed to survive being impaled by a Senjutsu Enhanced Kurama + Susano'o combo from EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto with minimal damage. Stop nerfing the durability of Juubi Jin, it's certainly not helping your case.

A logical explanation could also be that Juubidara has an extreme tolerance to blunt forces and Juubidara was only affected by the initial hit, but not the piercing quality that followed the explosion.

the sheer difference in durability between PS and madara is unfathomable.
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thus yoton frs doesnt put a scratch on PS.



The area that both Madara's PS and SM Hashirama's Mokujin filled was very minimal. They were literally ants within the Juubi barrier, yet the Shinju literally covered a wider area than the entire barrier itself:



There is a sheer difference in size. Implying that Madara's PS is far superior than the Shinju's durability is ridiculous IMO.
 

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This logic should've been thrown out the window the moment Sasuke's Chidori and Naruto's BD failed to destroy their Avatars despite those being stronger than their physical attacks. :lol


@bold, since when? Kyuubi tail even failed vs Madara's SM v3. I hope to god you don't think that v3 in particular would've been that much more durable then Sasuke's PS. Sasuke's PS would not be destroyed from a direct hit, it'd do slight damage at the most given the durability is over the attacking power based on portrayal.

Wot. The fists hitting Naruto's chakra arms were ~1.5x her size whereas the ones hitting Sasuke's PS [ ] were far larger then that. Not sure how you can compare the two attacks either. It would be a proper argument if the chakra was destroyed via force/impact, but the fists does not do that. The Fists work by destroying chakra similarly to Gentle Fist, so the entire comparison goes right in the trash since you're not making any viable comparison in the first place. The PS will be as damaged as the amount of chakra present in that fist, regardless of durability. Naruto's punches clashing with her fists just means the chakra didn't get dismantled immediately. It is completely fallacious to say this is a way to gauge the damage the avatar's fist would make. I sincerely hope you don't try to deny or refute this since you're clearly in the wrong here.

Not how it works buddy. Even Bijuu PS would take some damage from Kaguya's attack whereas Avatar attacks would do nothing to it. Completely illogical attempt to downplay the fact that Madara didn't get bisected via YRS.



Stop denying manga fact

At the end of the day. There's no conclusion we arent going to agree with. The ABC logic failed on my behalf, and everyone else who used it.

I even just remembered that Kaguya arm got swerved by chakra arm. And yet we seen her body taking no cut damage, and remain in tact by 9 RS.



So here's another way of looking at it:

We seen how reactant Sussnoo's encounter with Yoton.

1. Add Wind style cutting power.
2. Add the fact its fused with Lava.
3. The heat wave itself should cut and also melt.

I still think it comes down to reason when considering a Rikoku powered attack to a non powered Ridoku Susanoo.

Also Futton: Kairiki Musō is another viable option. If concentrated at specifically Madara's Susanoo gem-spot [ ]
 

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At the end of the day. There's no conclusion we arent going to agree with. The ABC logic failed on my behalf, and everyone else who used it.

I even just remembered that Kaguya arm got swerved by chakra arm. And yet we seen her body taking no cut damage, and remain in tact by 9 RS.



So here's another way of looking at it:

We seen how reactant Sussnoo's encounter with Yoton.

1. Add Wind style cutting power.
2. Add the fact its fused with Lava.
3. The heat wave itself should cut and also melt.

I still think it comes down to reason when considering a Rikoku powered attack to a non powered Ridoku Susanoo.

Also Futton: Kairiki Musō is another viable option. If concentrated at specifically Madara's Susanoo gem-spot [ ]

Doesn't matter if there are inconsistencies, at the end of the day JJ Madara withstood being bisected by YRS and got sliced in half by Chidori Eiso post-Shinju absorption. He stated himself he almost died from Night Gai, and Night Gai would fail vs PS too. YRS was not stated or implied to have almost killed Madara. Kaguya got cut by a PS blade barely making contact with her. And anyways, although there were many different elemental FRS present they were all regular sized unlike the huge one used against JJ Madara (yet that still failed to bisect a JJ Madara).

Since when does Yoton: Rasenshuriken have Futon in it? Last I checked the Yoton was replaced with Futon: Rasenshuriken when it was wind. It's simply one element, unless you can prove otherwise. Also, when was Yoton shown to be reactant against Susano? Lol. Last I checked the only case I can think of is due to the continued application of the Yoton onto the Susano (neglecting it). YRS is merely a burst, it'll barely heat up the PS at all given the heat would just distribute throughout the PS for that single second or two. No melting will happen here, and if it does, it will barely be relevant to anything due to how minute it would be.

Futton: Kairiki Muso would require Naruto not only to reach near the top of the PS unharmed, but also to actually damage it while staying in that position. Mei's Futton took quite some time to begin melting Sasuke's v1 Ribcage in an enclosed area, no idea how long it took her Futton to melt 1/25th power v3 Susano but it was probably a pretty long time. Wouldn't have happened had it been a 25/25 power v3 nor would it happen vs an infinitely stronger PS. Of course, this Naruto has Rikudo chakra, but it's definitely not boosting him so much that it instantly melts the PS (seeing how he'd only have a second before PS blade kills him) when Futton in the past has shown to take pretty long to melt the weakest variants of Susano from a much weaker Susano user.

Again, those are branches that are thousands of times smaller than the actual tree itself. I'm not sure why you're using that as a comparison here.



That's obviously due to plot which even then, Juubito managed to survive being impaled by a Senjutsu Enhanced Kurama + Susano'o combo from EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto with minimal damage. Stop nerfing the durability of Juubi Jin, it's certainly not helping your case.

Juubito was damaged by a Senjutsu Rasengan lmfao.. I have no idea what you're talking about but I'm pretty sure you're referring to him using his Gudo Dama as a shield, because he never took such an attack.

A logical explanation could also be that Juubidara has an extreme tolerance to blunt forces and Juubidara was only affected by the initial hit, but not the piercing quality that followed the explosion.




The area that both Madara's PS and SM Hashirama's Mokujin filled was very minimal. They were literally ants within the Juubi barrier, yet the Shinju literally covered a wider area than the entire barrier itself:



There is a sheer difference in size. Implying that Madara's PS is far superior than the Shinju's durability is ridiculous IMO.

Good thing Rasengan is blunt force and fukd Juubito over. No reason for JJ Madara to get something Juubito didn't. He's just durable all-round, but not durable enough to prevent himself from being bisected by a Chidori eiso (as Shinju Madara) yet durable enough to withstand being bisected by YRS pre-Shinju. Stop denying the manga fact by making up irrelevant and unsubstantiated claims.

It's funny how you make all these baseless claims. Do you even have any logic or reasoning behind why the Shinju branches being smaller would mean they are less durable pound for pound? If a Gunbai could cut the small branches then a proportionally huge one would do just fine piercing the massive Shinju stump. Shinju being huge does not mean in any way that it's durable pound for pound, like say, SS would be (which is both huge and durable because the regular Mokuton is durable as it is). Stop calling everything ridiculous with nothing to support your argument but your own opinion. Good luck proving the notion that Shinju is more durable just because it's bigger.
 
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Doesn't matter if there are inconsistencies, at the end of the day]/B] JJ Madara withstood being bisected by YRS and got sliced in half by Chidori Eiso post-Shinju absorption. He stated himself he almost died from Night Gai, and Night Gai would fail vs PS too. YRS was not stated or implied to have almost killed Madara. Kaguya got cut by a PS blade barely making contact with her. And anyways, although there were many different elemental FRS present they were all regular sized unlike the huge one used against JJ Madara (yet that still failed to bisect a JJ Madara).


@Bold Can't really argument with someone whos only open to their own reason to the ABC logic. So I going to limited to my response. If we seen an attack stronger do less damage to an attack done by weaker move, I dont see why you we can't be open to know it would do, especially against a non Ridoku character. Anyway, Madara didnt withstand it when it "burst" (as he was knocked back a bit before it burst. Even then, getting cut in half (If hypothetically YRS did) doesnt kill Madara either, as he can just reattached or regenerate new limbs like from Night Guy.

@Underline Ah What? That never happened, until proof.

And no RS are the same size, but the one used against Madara had a bigger blade-fan. That would just be more nicking on your behalf of scaling.

Since when does Yoton: Rasenshuriken have Futon in it? Last I checked the Yoton was replaced with Futon: Rasenshuriken when it was wind. It's simply one element, unless you can prove otherwise. Also, when was Yoton shown to be reactant against Susano? Lol. Last I checked the only case I can think of is due to the continued application of the Yoton onto the Susano (neglecting it). YRS is merely a burst, it'll barely heat up the PS at all given the heat would just distribute throughout the PS for that single second or two. No melting will happen here, and if it does, it will barely be relevant to anything due to how minute it would be.

DB says this about all forms of Sage RasenganShiruken:

Okay, the "Sage Art: Super Biju Rasenshuriken" section says that, after being granted the power of the Sage of Six Paths, Naruto performed this ultimate jutsu. They're "Rasenshuriken" that have been proudly infused with the "special chakra properties" (チャクラ特性, chakura tokusei) of the tailed beasts, which Naruto unleashes simultaneously through Multiple Shadow Clones. It, uh, also describes it as "the most marvelous ninjutsu of all time." (空前絶後の忍術, Kūzenzetsugo no Ninjutsu).

The caption says that it struck Kaguya's weak point, making it impossible for her to maintain her physical form. [Which is to say, it took advantage of her having the chakra of the nine tailed beasts and turned it into a weakness. -FF-Suzaku

It says it is the RasenShiruken we know in the manga fused along with Buijuu's chakra nature.

In deed, yes, Lava has shown it took time to for it to melt. But its not relevant when Naruto attack power far surpasses what was shown against a Sussanoo. But being embed to cut like Wind nature. Such heatwave does much more damage then Madara's PS shockwave.

Futton: Kairiki Muso would require Naruto not only to reach near the top of the PS unharmed, but also to actually damage it while staying in that position. Mei's Futton took quite some time to begin melting Sasuke's v1 Ribcage in an enclosed area, no idea how long it took her Futton to melt 1/25th power v3 Susano but it was probably a pretty long time. Wouldn't have happened had it been a 25/25 power v3 nor would it happen vs an infinitely stronger PS. Of course, this Naruto has Rikudo chakra, but it's definitely not boosting him so much that it instantly melts the PS (seeing how he'd only have a second before PS blade kills him) when Futton in the past has shown to take pretty long to melt the weakest variants of Susano from a much weaker Susano user.

Futton: Kairiki Muso is a physical strike..... That overpowered Kaguya...
 
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@Bold Can't really argument with someone whos only open to their own reason to the ABC logic. So I going to limited to my response. If we seen an attack stronger do less damage to an attack done by weaker move, I dont see why you we can't be open to know it would do, especially against a non Ridoku character. Anyway, Madara didnt withstand it when it "burst" (as he was knocked back a bit before it burst. Even then, getting cut in half (If hypothetically YRS did) doesnt kill Madara either, as he can just reattached or regenerate new limbs like from Night Guy.

It's not ABC logic. ABC logic is basically Deidara beats Kisame so Deidara can beat Killer Bee. Obviously it doesn't work like that. What I am saying is completely fact beyond doubt. My logic is A bisected a more durable form of 'x' but B didn't bisect a less durable form of 'x' (both are cutting attacks), so A is stronger then B. ABC logic refers to the fallacious premise of an argument, something mine is clearly not.

Huh? He got blasted away after it burst . Top right Naruto bursts it and beneath that we see the white line representing Madara flying away. Obviously he didn't cross the entire Shinju's diameter prior to it bursting. Doesn't even make sense. He took the burst and wasn't bisected, fact. Bold is completely irrelevant. Why the hell would I care if he died from it? His durability is irrelevant of that. If Chidori Eiso could bisect him and not kill him but YRS couldn't bisect him and couldn't kill him then we clearly have a winner here. YRS failed to bisect him, him being able to survive bisection is completely irrelevant.

@Underline Ah What? That never happened, until proof.

[ ] Looks to me like he hit her based on the blood and her expression on the bottom panel, though I'm not entirely sure.

And no RS are the same size, but the one used against Madara had a bigger blade-fan. That would just be more nicking on your behalf of scaling.

Lol not even close [ ] vs [ ]
Clear, clear difference with the YRS being many times the size of Naruto himself, whereas the Bijuu RS were a couple of times his fist's size. Irrelevant of the blades, which are also far bigger. So much for shit scaling.

DB says this about all forms of Sage RasenganShiruken:



It says it is the RasenShiruken we know in the manga fused along with Buijuu's chakra nature.

What? In the case you didn't know, the Wind RS is called Futon: Rasenshuriken and the Lava RS is called Yoton: Rasenshuriken. The rasenshuriken is ONLY Lava, since it no longer states the "Futon:" before. You'd be right if it was not called "Futon:...." but since it is, you're wrong.

In deed, yes, Lava has shown it took time to for it to melt. But its not relevant when Naruto attack power far surpasses what was shown against a Sussanoo. But being embed to cut like Wind nature. Such heatwave does much more damage then Madara's PS shockwave.

Obviously it is very relevant since lava needs time to heat another substance. Doesn't matter how strong it got it's not making the PS reach its melting point within a single second of heat transfer when the weaker lava needed a long time to do so against a v3 Susano. You say Rikudo boost is huge but that does not take into account the time nor the exponential difference between v3 and PS. Not even close. You're just throwing around unsubstantiated claims like "with Rikudo boost it can" which is not how this works.

Futton: Kairiki Muso is a physical strike..... That overpowered Kaguya...

Ok. Either way, there's once again nothing supporting that punch being strong enough to damage PS. Overpowering Kaguya physically doesn't mean he'll bust PS at all.
 

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Susanoo never cut Kaguya. It was the result of Naruto's attack
 

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Susanoo never cut Kaguya. It was the result of Naruto's attack

Yea, figured as much when I looked it up. Thought it was still a possibility though.
 

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It's not ABC logic. ABC logic is basically Deidara beats Kisame so Deidara can beat Killer Bee. Obviously it doesn't work like that. What I am saying is completely fact beyond doubt. My logic is A bisected a more durable form of 'x' but B didn't bisect a less durable form of 'x' (both are cutting attacks), so A is stronger then B. ABC logic refers to the fallacious premise of an argument, something mine is clearly not.

You can use abc logic for applying inferiority/superiority. You claim Chidori sword>YRS because on the fact it completely cut Madara, which YRS didn't. Therefore Chidori sword>YRS. The logic doesn't work here when Chidori sword isn't capable of splitting Shinju in half either, to claim superiority.

Huh? He got blasted away after it burst . Top right Naruto bursts it and beneath that we see the white line representing Madara flying away. Obviously he didn't cross the entire Shinju's diameter prior to it bursting. Doesn't even make sense. He took the burst and wasn't bisected, fact. Bold is completely irrelevant. Why the hell would I care if he died from it? His durability is irrelevant of that. If Chidori Eiso could bisect him and not kill him but YRS couldn't bisect him and couldn't kill him then we clearly have a winner here. YRS failed to bisect him, him being able to survive bisection is completely irrelevant.

Your right it burst on him. Could of sworn I say him below the blast last night. Addressed above though



[ ] Looks to me like he hit her based on the blood and her expression on the bottom panel, though I'm not entirely sure.[/



[[Lol not even close [ ] vs [ ]
Clear, clear difference with the YRS being many times the size of Naruto himself, whereas the Bijuu RS were a couple of times his fist's size. Irrelevant of the blades, which are also far bigger. So much for shit scaling.

How ever you want to scale it, its already implied the same amount of power regardless.


What? In the case you didn't know, the Wind RS is called Futon: Rasenshuriken and the Lava RS is called Yoton: Rasenshuriken. The rasenshuriken is ONLY Lava, since it no longer states the "Futon:" before. You'd be right if it was not called "Futon:...." but since it is, you're wrong.

Re read the DB. The Rasengan is a mixture of Naruto canon RS, added with Buijuu's nature priories. Its both. It doesn't have to state Futon to know RS is a Futon tech.

QUOTE=Apêx;19926112]Obviously it is very relevant since lava needs time to heat another substance. Doesn't matter how strong it got it's not making the PS reach its melting point within a single second of heat transfer when the weaker lava needed a long time to do so against a v3 Susano. You say Rikudo boost is huge but that does not take into account the time nor the exponential difference between v3 and PS. Not even close. You're just throwing around unsubstantiated claims like "with Rikudo boost it can" which is not how this works.[/QUOTE]

My claims are added with Wind Nature support.

QUOTE=Apêx;19926112]Ok. Either way, there's once again nothing supporting that punch being strong enough to damage PS. Overpowering Kaguya physically doesn't mean he'll bust PS at all.[/QUOTE]

Why not when Kaguya can physically bust a Ridoku PS? She had a chakra aura around her clash with Naruto
 

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This version of Naruto literally trashes EMS Madara...
 

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You can use abc logic for applying inferiority/superiority. You claim Chidori sword>YRS because on the fact it completely cut Madara, which YRS didn't. Therefore Chidori sword>YRS. The logic doesn't work here when Chidori sword isn't capable of splitting Shinju in half either, to claim superiority.

Gunbai can cut something with the durability of the Shinju. Chidori Eiso can cut the Shinju just fine, but not in one go. That doesn't mean shit for your argument seeing how it doesn't change the fact that all that energy is irrelevant. The energy making contact is all that matters (energy per area) and that energy per area isn't enough to bisect Madara whereas Chidori Eiso's is. The end dude, stop mentioning irrelevant shit.
Your right it burst on him. Could of sworn I say him below the blast last night. Addressed above though

Lml happens.

How ever you want to scale it, its already implied the same amount of power regardless.

Based on nothing whatsoever. Where's that implication? Don't see it.


Re read the DB. The Rasengan is a mixture of Naruto canon RS, added with Buijuu's nature priories. Its both. It doesn't have to state Futon to know RS is a Futon tech.

Enough with the bullshit. The RS are part of the shape transformation and the element is part of the nature transformation. "Futon:"=nature transformation and "Rasenshuriken"=Shape transformation. Since Futon was REPLACED by Yotonn your argument goes right in the trash. Once you can get me expressly stated proof of it having Futon, you can mention this again. Until then this isn't how it work.


My claims are added with Wind Nature support.

Which won't be the case.


Why not when Kaguya can physically bust a Ridoku PS? She had a chakra aura around her clash with Naruto

Lol she never physically busted a Rikudo PS smh. All cases were either with her chakra or the bones. Scans of physically doing this?
 

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Kiriei musou could potentially work. It overpowered one of Kaguya's chakra punches, which was busting a rikudo susanoo. This is EMS Madara with far weaker susanoo.
 

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Juubito was damaged by a Senjutsu Rasengan lmfao.. I have no idea what you're talking about but I'm pretty sure you're referring to him using his Gudo Dama as a shield, because he never took such an attack.

He was struck at his weakspot which then, he actually added protection.



I'm referring to this instance in which he actually withstood it with very minimal damage.

Good thing Rasengan is blunt force and fukd Juubito over. No reason for JJ Madara to get something Juubito didn't. He's just durable all-round, but not durable enough to prevent himself from being bisected by a Chidori eiso (as Shinju Madara) yet durable enough to withstand being bisected by YRS pre-Shinju. Stop denying the manga fact by making up irrelevant and unsubstantiated claims.

Juubito was struck at his weakspot. Juubidara was not unless you can prove otherwise.

If we're actually going to use ABC logic, then Night Moth is canonically far stronger than Yoton FRS is from a Rikudou Enhanced Naruto due to the after effect of Juubidara's body being worse against the Night Moth even though canonically, the Night Moth hardly landed a dent on the actual Shinju itself.



Basically, this is contradictory information and it's really at that point that I can't take the feat seriously. Without trying to formulate a logical explanation, it simply makes no sense. Juubidara literally took the brunt of the Yoton FRS and was then caught by it's penetrative force. That makes absolutely no sense given how Juubidara was left in a far worse condition against Night Moth despite Night Moth not nearly causing as much damage as Yoton FRS did prior to the explosion of the YRS even taking place.

But what you're proposing here is that Chidori Eisou is actually stronger than a YRS even though that's complete bullshit. Why? Because FRS canonically has had far superior feats and if we scale Naruto and Sasuke up to their Rikudou selves, then the immense gap between FRS and Chidori Eisou should still remain, eve moreso now that Yoton FRS is far superior to FRS itself. Juubidara being bisected is irrelevant when Juubidara literally laughed off the attack. It was literally pitiful despite Sasuke's attack being Rikudou Enhanced implying that Juubidara should have been affected.

Hell, next thing you're going to tell me is that Chidori Eisou is on par with Nukite because it also bisected the Hachibi's tentacles.

It's funny how you make all these baseless claims. Do you even have any logic or reasoning behind why the Shinju branches being smaller would mean they are less durable pound for pound?

You're reasoning implies that a small piece of a bridge is literally as durable as the entire bridge itself. That's faulty reasoning. The Shinju is far more structured and more dense which would naturally make it more durable pound for pound.

If a Gunbai could cut the small branches then a proportionally huge one would do just fine piercing the massive Shinju stump. Shinju being huge does not mean in any way that it's durable pound for pound,

It not sustaining any damage from Gai's Night Moth suggests otherwise.

like say, SS would be (which is both huge and durable because the regular Mokuton is durable as it is). Stop calling everything ridiculous with nothing to support your argument but your own opinion. Good luck proving the notion that Shinju is more durable just because it's bigger.

I would certainly claim that something that can withstand the force of Night Moth with no damage is very durable. You haven't at all convinced me that PS is more durable than the Shinju itself. You're just pinning the argument on me rather than actually proving your perspective.
 
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I'm actually surprised you read my post immediately. I was actually going to edit something, but it's too late for that now.
 

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Kiriei musou could potentially work. It overpowered one of Kaguya's chakra punches, which was busting a rikudo susanoo. This is EMS Madara with far weaker susanoo.

are u comparing this to this becoz Sasuke's PS did tank a single vaccum palm of Kaguya here
 

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are u comparing this to this becoz Sasuke's PS did tank a single vaccum palm of Kaguya here
Rikudo susanoo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>EMS Susanoo
 

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Not sure why people are comparing the two attacks, one is a chakra punch while the other is a huge stream of chakra released a la Gentle Fist. Size or not they are entirely different techs, implying that Naruto's chakra arm is physically stronger than his avatar is nonsense.
 

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Holy shit this is retarded.

He was struck at his weakspot which then, he actually added protection.



I'm referring to this instance in which he actually withstood it with very minimal damage.

SCAN of this being his weak-spot? Read again, SCAN of it being expressly stated? He didn't add protection, he added chakra to blast his face off the next time around as implied. And lmfaooooooooo if you actually have such shitty reading comprehension and thought that Juubito referring to the weak point was in reference to that point of his body. Please learn to read as it refers to him being weak to Senjutsu/not being able to Kamui anymore.

Fist of all, that's not a slash. The sword was driven through, and it cut the area it hit cleanly (whole point was to get the Bijuu's out as Kurama already knew this would happen, since they can't kill him). Either way, Rasengan damaged him with ease so once again, you have absolutely no argument.

Juubito was struck at his weakspot. Juubidara was not unless you can prove otherwise.

Sick argument, now improve your reading comprehension.

If we're actually going to use ABC logic, then Night Moth is canonically far stronger than Yoton FRS is from a Rikudou Enhanced Naruto due to the after effect of Juubidara's body being worse against the Night Moth even though canonically, the Night Moth hardly landed a dent on the actual Shinju itself.


That's because Night Gai did not attack the Shinju in the first place smfh. Please learn the difference between large AOE attacks with lower energy per area and focused attacks with high energy per area. FRS is large AOE and good energy per area but Hell stab is purely focused with high energy per area. FRS failed but Hell Stab succeeded in killing/damaging the Sandaime. Look at Night Gai Where the hell is the Shinju? I sure as hell don't see it next to his attack. Oh wait, that's because Night Gai is a single target attack and not a large AOE attack. I sincerely hope you don't think a single target attack is supposed to be destroying the Shinju, and I sincerely hope you don't think Gai kicking Madara into the Shinju would yield the same result as Gai using the jutsu on the Shinju itself. Either way, by your current logic NG would only need to hit the foot of the PS to destroy it all, because fuk the distinction between AOE and single target attacks right? Smh

Basically, this is contradictory information and it's really at that point that I can't take the feat seriously. Without trying to formulate a logical explanation, it simply makes no sense. Juubidara literally took the brunt of the Yoton FRS and was then caught by it's penetrative force. That makes absolutely no sense given how Juubidara was left in a far worse condition against Night Moth despite Night Moth not nearly causing as much damage as Yoton FRS did prior to the explosion of the YRS even taking place.

Again, your shit logic doesn't work here. Hell Stab being jammed into the Shinju would just leave a small hole. Meanwhile FRS would do far more damage just because it's AOE based, even though it's far weaker then hellstab.

But what you're proposing here is that Chidori Eisou is actually stronger than a YRS even though that's complete bullshit. Why? Because FRS canonically has had far superior feats and if we scale Naruto and Sasuke up to their Rikudou selves, then the immense gap between FRS and Chidori Eisou should still remain, eve moreso now that Yoton FRS is far superior to FRS itself. Juubidara being bisected is irrelevant when Juubidara literally laughed off the attack. It was literally pitiful despite Sasuke's attack being Rikudou Enhanced implying that Juubidara should have been affected.

YRS was used by Base Naruto, not RSM Naruto. RSM Naruto=Sasuke. Either way, Chidori Eiso had the focused energy to be capable of bisecting Shinju Madara whereas YRS failed to bisect pre-Shinju Madara. You can cry until you're dehydrated but I could not give less of a shit because this is what Kishi has shown. Bisected>Failing to bisect. Him being able to survive or laugh it off has no relevance on his durability.

Hell, next thing you're going to tell me is that Chidori Eisou is on par with Nukite because it also bisected the Hachibi's tentacles.

You're reasoning implies that a small piece of a bridge is literally as durable as the entire bridge itself. That's faulty reasoning. The Shinju is far more structured and more dense which would naturally make it more durable pound for pound.

What the hell? Thought you were decent until I debated you here. A Perfect Susano being thicker does not make it more durable POUND FOR POUND. If a PS Chidori can pierce the Perfect Susano because of how penetrative it is, then REGARDLESS of how thick it is the PS Chidori will just keep going through it because pound for pound it remains unchanged. Until you give me canonical information to support your argument I'll take this argument as a concession because all I see is you saying it's too absurd for you to believe. Well guess what, what you believe is completely irrelevant when you can't support it.

It not sustaining any damage from Gai's Night Moth suggests otherwise.


I would certainly claim that something that can withstand the force of Night Moth with no damage is very durable. You haven't at all convinced me that PS is more durable than the Shinju itself. You're just pinning the argument on me rather than actually proving your perspective.

Once again shitty logic seeing how Gai's NG is not AOE based. @BOLD. That's because the Burden of Proof IS ON YOU. My god explaining things to you at such a basic level is irritating.
 
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Can't this Naruto beat EMS Madara before PS? Their speed is not necessarily even or is it?

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Also wouldn't the steam punch break PS? OR does the cloak make the punch stronger?
Yeah, I thought about it too. Basically, this Naruto is strong enough to massacre Madara before he would even think about using PS.
 
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