Naruto vs EMS Madara

[Apêx1]

RIP Kratos

 

[Lord Tywin]

After all this time I figured that you'd learn how to debate. First of all, it's not my job to prove shit related to your positive argument. It's your job to prove your claim, which you can't do. Second of all, I can, but you'll just dismiss it like you do all arguments that take a steamy diarrhea dump on your arguments.

You're right. Your post does look like a steamy diarrhea

Mountains in this Manga have shown to be relatively consistent in size, save for the Uchiha Hideout. Just go look at every time Bijuu Dama wiped out a Mountain. They have all been the same size. But I'll go further since you'll still cry and moan.

1. Mountains of VoTE compared to Bijuu Dama explosion, which is the same for all Bijuu when talking about the standard size. (and you can see them being the same size regardless of that little rule)

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2. Bijuu Dama explosion compared to the Mountains in the Land of Lightning, the battlefield for every fight that took place after Obito vs. Madara.

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Similar size is similar. Please don't try and contest this because you are wrong and will only end up making yourself look like a retard again. It's really that simple.

Really, I need two scans to prove this garbage argument that all mountains are the same size
Mountains in the left in front of the crater are bigger than the mountains in the right

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Same here

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and here

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Clearly shown here

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and here

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What you deem consistent can have their difference in miles.

As for your still shitty vegetation point. Please tell me how the actual fuck what you boxed can be the same vegetation when the scale between both your panels is completely different? I'll explain this thoroughly so there is little chance that you can actually reply with something makes a shred of sense.

Look at VOTE

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It's not a sea that supplies the water, but a lake.
Now look at both times we see the same vegetation relative to the lake

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The lake is round where SS is standing by. In both scans the lake is round and has a shape like this

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With the vegetation being in the dotted location

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In the zoomed out 626, the lake is still in the same shape with the vegetation in the same spot.

Unless you're telling me that the panel in 626 is so much zoomed out that another vegetation appears in the exact same location, which doesn't make sense.

The vegetation in chapter 621 is shown to be close to the lake, and close (not really that close) to Shinsuusenju and PS Kurama's clash site. Yet that is not the case in 626. Now, follow closely so you don't get lost in the basic words typed in my post.

read above

-The Mountains surrounding Kurama were taller, wider, basically larger than it in EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. FACT.
-The Mountain surrounding SS are dwarfed, but to the extent that they'd look like

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in comparison to it's height? No. Completely idiotic. It's like you don't understand the simple concept of perspective and zoom in and zoom out. If one thing zooms out, everything zooms out. How the hell does the difference in size between the Mountains and Kurama/SS change so drastically when the WHOLE PAGE IS ZOOMED OUT ON?

it brings me the question of did you even bother to look at the numbers I put on the panels in px? You obviously didn't, or you wouldn't have types this bullshit. I have it in my first post, so I'm not going to post it again.

Back to Kurama being factually smaller than Mountains:

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are Mountains. Just gonna get this out of the way so you don't try and make some more unbelievable BS up. They are the same as

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Mountains, but they look far smaller since the perspective is "zoomed out". Inb4 "hurr no they arent'". This is all VoTE in the same general area Hashirama and Madara fought. Don't try and bullshit your way out of this one.

Once again, go read my first post, then come up with concluding shit. I showed the percentage difference between 621 and 626.

-These are the Mountains Kurama is

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-If SS was as tall as you claimed in comparison to the explosion, then Kurama would be

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Once again Ironic how you're claiming that I don't know how to scale, when you're showing me that the width of of SS is the same as Kurama's length, when I didn't even imply anything of such.

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Kurama's length is half of SS. I don't know where you got that bullshit from but I never said implied Kurama's width is around SS' width in size. So, go look in the mirror and think about what you've done.

So tell me moron. How in the name of everything that is holy can Kurama be that much larger than THOSE MOUNTAINS when he is FACTUALLY SHOWN TO BE SMALLER THAN THOSE MOUNTAINS?

Addressed above, fucktard. Let me pop one of your lame ass insults. "Learn how to read, dumbass".

Haha, oh wait. It's not possible. You just don't make any sense, as usual. Kurama was smaller than the Mountains back when the perspective was normal, so when it shifts the same difference in size remains, (if you don't understand anything about perspective and zoom, I suggest you just say so instead of shitposting)

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which are the same as

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Mountains as established above, and by the Manga showing them to be the same in the same area. That also shows that your vegetation point is shitty as hell, because it'd be closer to where Kurama and SS are, thus it'd be in/covered by the explosion on the panel. Not some random green bush you decided to circle.

You're just showing me that you have a sponge for the brain, as you brought a scaling point I never made.

Meaning SS is far smaller than what you think it'd be, meaning your whole shitty point falls apart. And when you reply, don't ignore everything relating to the comparison of Kurama and the surrounding Mountains like you stupidly did back when I first obliterated this garbage point.
But like I said, better things to do than argue back and forth with your dumbass for another 5 pages. The only time I'll ever reply to you after this point on this topic is if you are conceding. End of story.

lmfao
-Claims the vegetation isn't the same
-Can't prove jack shit
-Makes a shitty point, then claim that I was implying that
sit your ass down

 

[KidGamer65]

As expected guys, KRATOS ignores the argument that proves his wrong by bullshitting around it with lame and irrelevant excuses. Not a single relevant counter in his entire post.

Whoever wants to entertain this illiterate plebe of a shitstain can go ahead.

 

[NarutoX28]

naruto cant do anything to PS, so a PS slash obliterates him.

He sliced through the Shinju.

 

[TheSages456]

He sliced through the Shinju.

so what? PS>>>>>>>shinju in durability. it didnt bisect madara and he cant even tank a katana.

 

[NarutoX28]

so what? PS>>>>>>>shinju in durability. it didnt bisect madara and he cant even tank a katana.

I'm actually wondering how you came to that conclusion.

 

[TheSages456]

I'm actually wondering how you came to that conclusion.

what conclusion? PS being>>>>>shinju in durability? the shinjus wood was chopped by things that cant scratch PS such as tobiramas suiton and emna.

madara wasnt bisected by yoton frs.

the sheer difference in durability between PS and madara is unfathomable.

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thus yoton frs doesnt put a scratch on PS.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

To those you say PS tanks YRS.


Which is stronger attack?

A clean punch from Kurama Avatar (Ridoku Mode). Or YRS?

 

[Apêx1]

To those you say PS tanks YRS.


Which is stronger attack?

A clean punch from Kurama Avatar (Ridoku Mode). Or YRS?

A clean punch from Kurama Avatar in Rikudo mode has the capacity to stalemate the sword from Sasuke's Rikudo PS which generated enough force to create a long-range shockwave sufficiently powerful to cleanly bisect a massive Mountain Range sized rock with ease (despite the momentum loss from being a large distance from it). By stalemating the sword itself instead of the shockwave; the Avatar is likely far beyond the YRS's inability to bisect JJ Madara (who then got bisected in his much stronger form by Chidori Eiso). I don't think your comparison is going to go as you intended for it to lol.

 

[NarutoX28]

what conclusion? PS being>>>>>shinju in durability? the shinjus wood was chopped by things that cant scratch PS such as tobiramas suiton and emna.

madara wasnt bisected by yoton frs.

the sheer difference in durability between PS and madara is unfathomable.

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thus yoton frs doesnt put a scratch on PS.

I'm letting you know that I'm responding to you tomorrow. There is so much I disagree with.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

A clean punch from Kurama Avatar in Rikudo mode has the capacity to stalemate the sword

Before I continue with the rest of the paragraph. Proof?

 

[V h o]

Can't this Naruto beat EMS Madara before PS? Their speed is not necessarily even or is it?

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Also wouldn't the steam punch break PS? OR does the cloak make the punch stronger?

 

[KidGamer65]

A clean punch from Kurama Avatar in Rikudo mode has the capacity to stalemate the sword from Sasuke's Rikudo PS which generated enough force to create a long-range shockwave sufficiently powerful to cleanly bisect a massive Mountain Range sized rock with ease (despite the momentum loss from being a large distance from it). By stalemating the sword itself instead of the shockwave; the Avatar is likely far beyond the YRS's inability to bisect JJ Madara (who then got bisected in his much stronger form by Chidori Eiso). I don't think your comparison is going to go as you intended for it to lol.

Kurama's tail swipes=Sasuke's PS blade>Kurama's punch.

 

[Apêx1]

Before I continue with the rest of the paragraph. Proof?

Kurama's tail swipes=Sasuke's PS blade>Kurama's punch.

The sword is merely a tool for the PS to use its strength. The sword does not enhance the strength. The strength stems from the PS's arm. The same arm which=BM arm

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. The only difference is PS's arm isn't focusing it's power along a small point of the blade, doesn't change the fact that the overall energy produced by the same arm remains the same (just because its dispersed into a larger area doesn't mean it has less energy).

Edit: And wait, what exactly is the point of using a punch from the Avatar instead of the tail, seeing how denying this feat would mean denying any quantifiable measure for the Avatar's punch? Thus you'd have no comparison in the first place.

 

[Unorthodox]

Everyone's talking about Naruto's offence but nobody is discussing how he can dodge shockwaves that destroy an entire battlefield prior to chopping 2 mountain tops cleanly off [

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]. PS swings its sword a couple of times and Naruto is turned to 10% fat minced meat.

Naruto literally go to VOTE in 2 pages running from the god tree he dodges those attacks all day long Hashirama in base managed to do so for some time not even a factor he could shunshin completely behind PS without Madara even noticing dodging him is easy as shit.

Hell, Madara starting in v4 means his sword is within range of Naruto from the get-go so he can pressure him before a single shadow clone is made. And then even if Naruto finds a way to live, his attacks end up being ineffective. Much interesting.

A PS sword pressuring him before he could use a clone is pure nonsense. 1 TBBFRS end this without a single beat and it does not need to even have half the power of his RSM one's to destroy a Perfect susanoo defense, Hell YFRS diced his Perfect susanoo up to claim Sasuke's Chidori blade > YFRS in Cutting power is dumb as hell.

Naruto low diff.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Edit: And wait, what exactly is the point of using a punch from the Avatar instead of the tail, seeing how denying this feat would mean denying any quantifiable measure for the Avatar's punch? Thus you'd have no comparison in the first place.

Ill answer this.

Sasuke's PS strength can parry and block an attack that can break his own Ridoku Susanoo from direct hits (which is why it needs to be properly blocked and parry).

1. Im sure you are familiar with @Bold. via vs Naruto

2. Naruto can clash with Kurama punches to Kagura Chakra punches[

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]. (eventually she won that but thats irrelevant)

3. Direct hits were breaking it apart[

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].

Where I am going with this is you either believe a chakra punch is more destructive then YRS or vise versa. Let alone scaling it the damage done to a non Ridoku PS

 

[Apêx1]

Ill answer this.

Sasuke's PS strength can parry and block an attack that can break his own Ridoku Susanoo from direct hits (which is why it needs to be properly blocked and parry).

1. Im sure you are familiar with @Bold. via vs Naruto

2. Naruto can clash with Kurama punches to Kagura Chakra punches[

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]. (eventually she won that but thats irrelevant)

3. Direct hits were breaking it apart[

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].

Where I am going with this is you either believe a chakra punch is more destructive then YRS or vise versa. Let alone scaling it the damage done to a non Ridoku PS

@bold, since when? Kyuubi tail even failed vs Madara's SM v3. I hope to god you don't think that v3 in particular would've been that much more durable then Sasuke's PS. Sasuke's PS would not be destroyed from a direct hit, it'd do slight damage at the most given the durability is over the attacking power based on portrayal.

Wot. The fists hitting Naruto's chakra arms were ~1.5x her size whereas the ones hitting Sasuke's PS [

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] were far larger then that. Not sure how you can compare the two attacks either. It would be a proper argument if the chakra was destroyed via force/impact, but the fists does not do that. The Fists work by destroying chakra similarly to Gentle Fist, so the entire comparison goes right in the trash since you're not making any viable comparison in the first place. The PS will be as damaged as the amount of chakra present in that fist, regardless of durability. Naruto's punches clashing with her fists just means the chakra didn't get dismantled immediately. It is completely fallacious to say this is a way to gauge the damage the avatar's fist would make. I sincerely hope you don't try to deny or refute this since you're clearly in the wrong here.

Not how it works buddy. Even Bijuu PS would take some damage from Kaguya's attack whereas Avatar attacks would do nothing to it. Completely illogical attempt to downplay the fact that Madara didn't get bisected via YRS.

Naruto literally go to VOTE in 2 pages running from the god tree he dodges those attacks all day long Hashirama in base managed to do so for some time not even a factor he could shunshin completely behind PS without Madara even noticing dodging him is easy as shit.
A PS sword pressuring him before he could use a clone is pure nonsense. 1 TBBFRS end this without a single beat and it does not need to even have half the power of his RSM one's to destroy a Perfect susanoo defense, Hell YFRS diced his Perfect susanoo up to claim Sasuke's Chidori blade > YFRS in Cutting power is dumb as hell.

Naruto low diff.

Stop denying manga fact

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke's PS strength can parry and block an attack that can break his own Ridoku Susanoo from direct hits (which is why it needs to be properly blocked and parry).

This logic should've been thrown out the window the moment Sasuke's Chidori and Naruto's BD failed to destroy their Avatars despite those being stronger than their physical attacks. :lol

 

[Apêx1]

This logic should've been thrown out the window the moment Sasuke's Chidori and Naruto's BD failed to destroy their Avatars despite those being stronger than their physical attacks. :lol

Yea but then it got me thinking about Tsunade being able to destroy Susano's without her fist being damaged, etc. Didn't want to apply wrong logic since I'm somewhat unsure of how NV logic works in this scenario, so I debunked it in a different way.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Stop with the bs. Shinjuu trunk was nearly the size of Madara's CT.

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. Lol @ KG circling the smallest mountain he could find. That post is irrelevant since we see pieces of Madara CT which are cannonly dwarfing MR in that same scan. Which means the trunk of the god tree is tierz above SS and thaf Vote explosion in terms of width and height.