Naruto vs EMS Madara

[Eng nawashi]

I said DRSM Madara could win as well people called me crazy.

It seems we always get proven right sooner or later.well, at least me

 

[Apêx1]

That could be the case, but wasn't his YRS larger than the one he created with the Super Tailed Beast RS? I never argued with the idea that the YRS would destroy PS though... I was just arguing the fact that Naruto in RSM should be capable of recreating that move in RSM-no cloak. I mean I guess that the clones itself would be a problem, but since he pulls the chakra from the Bijuu themselves would that effect anything?

Not sure, but it wouldn't matter since RSM gives it a much bigger power-up (similarly to how KCM FRS>>Base FRS despite being the same size). And maybe he could do it in this mode, actually, I think it's probable, but even then it would be much, much weaker then the one boosted by RSM.

 

[Omar19992010]

Can't Naruto technically negate Ninjutsiu or does he need the TSB for that?

 

[lndra]

Not sure, but it wouldn't matter since RSM gives it a much bigger power-up (similarly to how KCM FRS>>Base FRS despite being the same size). And maybe he could do it in this mode, actually, I think it's probable, but even then it would be much, much weaker then the one boosted by RSM.

Makes sense. Wish we got to see his other Bijuu Powers again, shame.

 

[Apêx1]

Can't Naruto technically negate Ninjutsiu or does he need the TSB for that?

That's a different jutsu used with the Gudo Dama which he does not have. Forgot how it was spelled, something along the lines of Omnyouton.

 

[Tarinth]

Naruto definitely wins this. Naruto's cloaked 9 bijuu FRS were so powerful that they obliterated
Kaguya's form and sent Sasuke reeling back. This jutsu is also credited as being Naruto's greatest
jutsu (besides his final jutsu at VOTE 2) even though he also had created Bijuu Dama rasen-shuriken
before that Naruto, who has an strong idea of how strong Sasuke's PS is, was worried might blow
Sasuke up.

This jutsu can be performed by this Naruto, as there is no reason at all given that even suggests Naruto
can't do it and this is a jutsu that based on feats and portrayal, could very well bust open Sasuke's PS.

The merging of 9 bijuu types is simply too strong. Ohnoki's dust style is a merge of 3 not necessarily strong
elements put together to be utterly OP. Same concept. So Lava FRS being huge wouldn't counteract the
strength of this jutsu.

Now, Naruto not being cloaked might mean the jutsu gets downgraded. But there is no way in the world that the
downgrade is greater than the downgrade EMS Madara's PS gets compared to a Rikudo Saskue's PS.

Not to mention, for those of you that don't buy that EMS Madara's PS gets busted, let's recall how SM Rinnegan Madara,
with Limbo knocked down all 9 bijuu. This limbo has the same physical ability as SM Rinnegan Madara.

This means SM Madara can tangle with the bijuu in physical output.
PS > Kurama Avatar.
This form of Naruto = Juubi Jin Madara >>>> SM Rinnegan Madara in physical ability.

This Naruto can actually fight and beat down PS and can stall out Madara until Madara runs out of chakra first.
People are really sleeping on Naruto.
Naruto's got OP techniques far stronger than EMS Madara, not to mention having RIKUDO chakra that makes
him greater in every single category by a large margin other than genjutsu, which the bijuu break him out of.

 

[Omar19992010]

Weren't people saying that this version of Naruto obliterates Juubito and 1 Eyed JJ Madara? If that's the case how does he loose to EMS Madara?

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto definitely wins this. Naruto's cloaked 9 bijuu FRS were so powerful that they obliterated
Kaguya's form and sent Sasuke reeling back. This jutsu is also credited as being Naruto's greatest
jutsu (besides his final jutsu at VOTE 2) even though he also had created Bijuu Dama rasen-shuriken
before that Naruto, who has an strong idea of how strong Sasuke's PS is, was worried might blow
Sasuke up.

I love how you decided to:

1. Misinterpret the DB entry of this jutsu. It claimed that it was his most magnificent jutsu, not his strongest. Not sure why you would even try to claim that 9 RS>6 Bijuu Dama Rasen Shuriken.

2. Give Cloaked RSM Naruto's feats to regular RSM Naruto.

This jutsu can be performed by this Naruto, as there is no reason at all given that even suggests Naruto
can't do it and this is a jutsu that based on feats and portrayal, could very well bust open Sasuke's PS.

No, it's not. A jutsu inferior to Naruto's attacks at VoTE does nothing significant to Sasuke's Susanoo. Not to mention you are still giving Cloaked RSM Naruto's feats to regular RSM Naruto.

Now, Naruto not being cloaked might mean the jutsu gets downgraded. But there is no way in the world that the
downgrade is greater than the downgrade EMS Madara's PS gets compared to a Rikudo Saskue's PS.

It doesn't need to be considering your whole point for it busting Sasuke's PS is literally based on nothing.

Not to mention, for those of you that don't buy that EMS Madara's PS gets busted, let's recall how SM Rinnegan Madara,
with Limbo knocked down all 9 bijuu. This limbo has the same physical ability as SM Rinnegan Madara.

No version of Madara can beat PS down with physical strength alone, so this whole comparison is irrelevant.

This Naruto can actually fight and beat down PS and can stall out Madara until Madara runs out of chakra first.
People are really sleeping on Naruto.
Naruto's got OP techniques far stronger than EMS Madara, not to mention having RIKUDO chakra that makes
him greater in every single category by a large margin other than genjutsu, which the bijuu break him out of.

:lol. Is everyone reading this? Matching JJ Madara in physical strength means that he can physically overwhelm something that'd physically overwhelm that same Madara. If Naruto foolishly tries to attack PS with his fists, he gets bisected.

Weren't people saying that this version of Naruto obliterates Juubito and 1 Eyed JJ Madara? If that's the case how does he loose to EMS Madara?

Match up, that's why. Juubito has an answer for Perfect Susanoo and Full Kurama, so does Madara. This form of Naruto doesn't. Even then Juubito and Madara would struggle since they'd have to set up the BD tree in a way that it couldn't be countered, and if that fails, the Shinju is an auto GG.

 

[Lord Tywin]

First lets look at the size difference between Obito's barrier and Madara's PS

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Now look at the size difference between PS and SS

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SS is close to 3 times larger than PS

Now lets look at the explosion and see just how much it engulfed PS and SS

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The same vegetation but the scale decreases, so we find out the percentage it decreased by

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28/52=.54x100=54%. The second scan shows 54% more than the first

SS was 281px tall in its initial encounter with PSK. The explosion shown resulting from the combined attacks from SS and PSK is from a more distant view. Meaning that SS and PSK would look smaller in the panel with the explosion shown. Now we multiple 54% by SS height in the first scan to get an estimate of how tall SS would look in the explosion panel it would look 151.74px long and 108 wide

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Now let's look back the first scan. PS is around 3 times smaller in length than SS. We multiply the height of PS by 3, to find how SS would look like in Obito's barrier. The width can be found, as its width is .71 of its height. .71x114=81

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Just by looking at it you can see that the arms on SS' back won't fill inside of the barrier. And just by looking at it, the explosion resulting from the combined firepower of SS and PSK, it won't even fill Obito's barrier. You can fit around 3 SS into VOTE explosion, while you can fit more in Obito's barrier


And I'm being generous here, as Madara had to expand his susanoo to cover Kurama's tails


Now shinju compared to the barrier

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TBH, I only need to post this scan to shit on any arguments regarding VOTE explosion coming even close to this kind of size. PS would literally be the size of one of its smaller branches, and we have these people thinking EMS Madara's PS can tank YFRS :lol. Another fact about YFRS is that it carrier to explosive energy. It bursts, cuts, and burns.

All Naruto have to do is aim it for PS' jewel, where Madara resides, and release it. Madara's best option would be to block it with PS' sword, but the YFRS would cut through the sword like butter, and hit Madara in the jewel. There is no need to completely destroy Susanoo when YFRS would cut through a part of Susanoo to get to Madara. Naruto honsetly low diffs.


But INB4,
-Scaling isn't right
-Those aren't the same vegetations
-But Madara's susanoo took this and that
-etc.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmfaoo, this guy really copied and pasted the same pile of shit argument that I already obliterated.

-Width of Shinju's trunk compared to Mountains.

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-VoTE explosion

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to Mountains.

Cut the shit logic out pal. Cause this is just going to end with you denying Manga fact after Manga fact like you usually do. It's funny how after all this fact has been presented to you, you can still say that PS Kurama went from being smaller than Mountains in one scan, to being far larger than them in other and all you can do to try and retort is whine "lol vegetation", when you can't even show that they are the same. (Probably because they aren't. :lol)

 

[Kagustuchi]

Just saying, YRS did bisect Madara. Don't know where people are getting that it didnt

And Naruto wins

 

[KidGamer65]

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All that was ever shown is that the middle of his waist was wiped out. He was never completely severed.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Not sure who wins .it can go either ways .naruto can Cut through Madara's PS with some continues attacks ,but Madara's Attacks are deadly for naruto too .however ,DRSM Madara would shit on this Naruto no doubt .kaguya arc Naruto (w/o avatar) would be a better fight .

 

[Apêx1]

Everyone's talking about Naruto's offence but nobody is discussing how he can dodge shockwaves that destroy an entire battlefield prior to chopping 2 mountain tops cleanly off [

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]. PS swings its sword a couple of times and Naruto is turned to 10% fat minced meat. Hell, Madara starting in v4 means his sword is within range of Naruto from the get-go so he can pressure him before a single shadow clone is made. And then even if Naruto finds a way to live, his attacks end up being ineffective. Much interesting.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Lmfaoo, this guy really copied and pasted the same pile of shit argument that I already obliterated.

-Width of Shinju's trunk compared to Mountains.

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-VoTE explosion

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to Mountains.

Cut the shit logic out pal. Cause this is just going to end with you denying Manga fact after Manga fact like you usually do. It's funny how after all this fact has been presented to you, you can still say that PS Kurama went from being smaller than Mountains in one scan, to being far larger than them in other and all you can do to try and retort is whine "lol vegetation", when you can't even show that they are the same. (Probably because they aren't. :lol)

i was expecting this tbh. You can't even prove that it's not the same vegetation in that relative area. I showed you PS and SS and how they would fit in Obito's barrier, and I again show you how the shinjuu makes the same barrier look like a speck of shit. And then we have you coming here with this garbage of a post, assuming that the mountains in both instances are the same size. Ironic how you say I can't prove they're the same vegetation, when you yourself can't prove those mountains are the same size. "Oh look, just because they are mountains, they are the same size". I don't even know what you're trying to say in the bold. Are you saying PS is bigger than Kyuubi? It's not that much bigger

 

[KidGamer65]

Ill reply later, but only once, because i already know that your dumbass will continue to argue this idiotic point for pages and pages before you bail like you did before. Maybe someone else feels like losing hella brain cells arguing with you.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I bailed? You mean after you couldn't prove shit, and thought you could make anyone believe your garbage point just because you boxed a mountain in one scan, and boxed another mountain in another scan? Or you thought boxing random mountains are gonna prove anything?:lol this is gold

 

[Omar19992010]

Not sure who wins .it can go either ways .naruto can Cut through Madara's PS with some continues attacks ,but Madara's Attacks are deadly for naruto too .however ,DRSM Madara would shit on this Naruto no doubt .kaguya arc Naruto (w/o avatar) would be a better fight .

Kaguya Arc Naruto Negs.

Madara has no Senjutsu so TSB GG.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Kaguya Arc Naruto Negs.

Madara has no Senjutsu so TSB GG.

Ofc he would neg EMS Madara ,I was obviously talking about DRSM Madara ,naruto's TSB has no ninjutsu nullification feats by the way.

 

[KidGamer65]

i was expecting this tbh. You can't even prove that it's not the same vegetation in that relative area. I showed you PS and SS and how they would fit in Obito's barrier, and I again show you how the shinjuu makes the same barrier look like a speck of shit. And then we have you coming here with this garbage of a post, assuming that the mountains in both instances are the same size. Ironic how you say I can't prove they're the same vegetation, when you yourself can't prove those mountains are the same size. "Oh look, just because they are mountains, they are the same size". I don't even know what you're trying to say in the bold. Are you saying PS is bigger than Kyuubi? It's not that much bigger

After all this time I figured that you'd learn how to debate. First of all, it's not my job to prove shit related to your positive argument. It's your job to prove your claim, which you can't do. Second of all, I can, but you'll just dismiss it like you do all arguments that take a steamy diarrhea dump on your arguments.

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-Mountains in this Manga have shown to be relatively consistent in size, save for the Uchiha Hideout. Just go look at every time Bijuu Dama wiped out a Mountain. They have all been the same size. But I'll go further since you'll still cry and moan.

1. Mountains of VoTE compared to Bijuu Dama explosion, which is the same for all Bijuu when talking about the standard size. (and you can see them being the same size regardless of that little rule)

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2. Bijuu Dama explosion compared to the Mountains in the Land of Lightning, the battlefield for every fight that took place after Obito vs. Madara.

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Similar size is similar. Please don't try and contest this because you are wrong and will only end up making yourself look like a retard again. It's really that simple.

As for your still shitty vegetation point. Please tell me how the actual fuck what you boxed can be the same vegetation when the scale between both your panels is completely different? I'll explain this thoroughly so there is little chance that you can actually reply with something makes a shred of sense.

The vegetation in chapter 621 is shown to be close to the lake, and close (not really that close) to Shinsuusenju and PS Kurama's clash site. Yet that is not the case in 626. Now, follow closely so you don't get lost in the basic words typed in my post.

-The Mountains surrounding Kurama were taller, wider, basically larger than it in EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. FACT.
-The Mountain surrounding SS are dwarfed, but to the extent that they'd look like

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in comparison to it's height? No. Completely idiotic. It's like you don't understand the simple concept of perspective and zoom in and zoom out. If one thing zooms out, everything zooms out. How the hell does the difference in size between the Mountains and Kurama/SS change so drastically when the WHOLE PAGE IS ZOOMED OUT ON?

Oh wait, it doesn't.

Back to Kurama being factually smaller than Mountains:

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are Mountains. Just gonna get this out of the way so you don't try and make some more unbelievable BS up. They are the same as

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Mountains, but they look far smaller since the perspective is "zoomed out". Inb4 "hurr no they arent'". This is all VoTE in the same general area Hashirama and Madara fought. Don't try and bullshit your way out of this one.

-These are the Mountains Kurama is

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-If SS was as tall as you claimed in comparison to the explosion, then Kurama would be

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So tell me moron. How in the name of everything that is holy can Kurama be that much larger than THOSE MOUNTAINS when he is FACTUALLY SHOWN TO BE SMALLER THAN THOSE MOUNTAINS?

Haha, oh wait. It's not possible. You just don't make any sense, as usual. Kurama was smaller than the Mountains back when the perspective was normal, so when it shifts the same difference in size remains, (if you don't understand anything about perspective and zoom, I suggest you just say so instead of shitposting)

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which are the same as

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Mountains as established above, and by the Manga showing them to be the same in the same area. That also shows that your vegetation point is shitty as hell, because it'd be closer to where Kurama and SS are, thus it'd be in/covered by the explosion on the panel. Not some random green bush you decided to circle.

Meaning SS is far smaller than what you think it'd be, meaning your whole shitty point falls apart. And when you reply, don't ignore everything relating to the comparison of Kurama and the surrounding Mountains like you stupidly did back when I first obliterated this garbage point.

But like I said, better things to do than argue back and forth with your dumbass for another 5 pages. The only time I'll ever reply to you after this point on this topic is if you are conceding. End of story.