Naruto Uzumaki!

[Shruikan]

>And the 8 gates isn't a gamechanging ability? You act as if anyone can learn 8 gates. The point being is that 8 gates and KKG justu are both equally hard to master. How useful is byakugan if you don't know how to use any justu or incredibly inept at it. That's basically starting from Zero as well. No one in the NV are equals at birth to begin with. Don't act like Lee is any special due to it. Especialy when he has Gai. I could see if Lee was doing all of that by himself.

>His Natural ability is his Drive. He's not called a genius of hard work for no reason -_-.

>His Legendary Godfather wasn't with him from damn near the start of the series.

>Of course he would be an underdog to someone with more experience. I'm talking about out of K11 and the people around his age at the time

>He beat Kiba off a fluke then took advantage of it. Kurama isn't an natural gift. He's a double edged sword given to him around the time he was born. Using Kurama's chakra is dangerous. I'm not sure you or the other guy understands how the seal works.

> I agree on the chuunin fight with Neji. That's the exact moment he stopped becoming an underdog and someone to be acknowledged. That's around the same Sasuke stopped looking at him as a weakling.

My point is that Naruto was an underdog. and prophecies and KKG doesn't make you excused from that label.

I mean The current Lee isn't an underdog what so ever.








He failed summing bunta even after the training and doing it successfully during the gaara fight:

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Nope I disagree regarding the Lee aspect.He also can't do 8 gates.7 was max.And opening a limited amount of gates is something I think an above average ninja can do if he tried as some fodder ninjas were able to do 6 gates in the movie,And Naruto's real development only began after Jiraiya started on him.Before that not really.He also isn't a failure as people make him out to be so.He just has a different type of intelligence seen in battle especially in the Zabuza fight.Mastering SM in a week etc also plays a part to his talent

Naruto was only a underdog for a short period in the beginning.Later on not really as he started getting favours with plot putting Jiraya as his master etc.The child of prophecy along with those sage powerupa ust sealed the deal for it

We will just have to agree to disagree as our views of how underdogs and failures can be perceived are different

 

[Adam Driver]

Obviously cutting down the learning time drastically and obscenely means hard-work. Who are we kidding, right?

You should reread when he was learning Rasen shuriken(can't post scans atm) where he passed out from training and where Yamato was begging for a break.
His hard restless work enabled him to nearly master in such little time his Rasen shuriken to where he was able to beat Kakuzu.

And his means to cut down the learning time was from the aspiration to catch up to and save your Sasuke kun

 

[To Whatever]

Nope I disagree regarding the Lee aspect.He also can't do 8 gates.7 was max.And opening a limited amount of gates is something I think an above average ninja can do if he tried as some fodder ninjas were able to do 6 gates in the movie,And Naruto's real development only began after Jiraiya started on him.Before that not really.He also isn't a failure as people make him out to be so.He just has a different type of intelligence seen in battle especially in the Zabuza fight.Mastering SM in a week etc also plays a part to his talent

Naruto was only a underdog for a short period in the beginning.Later on not really.The child of prophecy along with those sage powerupa ust sealed the deal for it

We will just have to agree to disagree as our views of how underdogs and failures can be perceived are different

Anyone could see he wouldn't be an underdog for long.

 

[shelke]

You should reread when he was learning Rasen shuriken(can't post scans atm) where he passed out from training and where Yamato was begging for a break.
His hard restless work enabled him to nearly master in such little time his Rasen shuriken to where he was able to beat Kakuzu.

And his means to cut down the learning time was from the aspiration to catch up to and save your Sasuke kun

That was the draw back of using so many clones. He used so many of them - about a 1000 with Kurama's chakra - that he passed out. If that ain't abuse of resources and short-cut logic then I'll be damned. Don't give a damn who he saved or whom he didn't.

 

[V h o]

Compared to others he was the underdog. Untalented/bad at first and then became stronger.

 

[Adam Driver]

That was the draw back of using so many clones. He used so many of them - about a 1000 with Kurama's chakra - that he passed out. If that ain't abuse of resources and short-cut logic then I'll be damned. Don't give a damn who he saved or whom he didn't.

Kakashi also stated while it is a faster way, he had to work twice as hard. So the method he used took more work out of him.
Your probably the only person that seriously doesn't consider Naruto to be a hard worker, shame..

 

[shelke]

Kakashi also stated while it is a faster way, he had to work twice as hard. So the method he used took more work out of him.
Your probably the only person that seriously doesn't consider Naruto to be a hard worker, shame..

Kurama's chakra actually allowed him to recover faster. Kakashi even mentions it that Naruto is the only one who can do it because of it.

Don't be so sure of yourself. It's immature to claim that all share your perspective.

 

[Goetia]

Do you know that there were two children of prophecies? Nagato and Naruto, does that ring any bell?

And nagato was an utter failure. He did not succeed just by being mentioned in a prophecy bv a toad

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"Reincarnation of ashura", did that help him learn rasengan? did that help him learn sage mode? did that solve all his problems with his bijuu automatically?

Hashirama was also a reincarnation, did he solve the world problems magically just by sitting on his ass and telling everyone that he is a reincarnation?

In fact there are a long list of reincarnations, do tell me why didn't any of them were able to do what Naruto did?

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You mention lineage but also fail to mention that he didn't inherit any of kushina or minato's powerful. Did he inherit kushina's chakra chains or sealing skills, or any of Minato's? No?

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So tell me how did this diminish anything he has done.

He was supposed to be someone born with nothing. He was born not only into a fantastic bloodline, which I have already spoken about, but he also had Kurama inside of him not even 10 minutes after he was born. Some of the training he accomplished wasn't even done using his own power. For example, summoning Gamabunta. He used the Kyuubi's chakra, not his own. Defeating Tendo Pein. Again, he fell back on the Kyuubi's power (the circumstances were different, but they're both still examples). He always had the talent and potential. He just lacked the discipline during his initial time as a ninja. Later, he compensated for this by exploiting Kage Bunshin's properties to learn things faster, cutting down the amount of work he had to do in the long run. While it was a logical choice given the situation, it still cut down on the very thing that makes an underdog an underdog.

 

[Sageflash]

Haters stay salty because the underdog became the champion, specifically Sasuke fans.

It's been debunked so many times and shit on in so many threads, there's no point in even discussing it further.

 

[Adam Driver]

Kurama's chakra actually allowed him to recover faster. Kakashi even mentions it that Naruto is the only one who can do it because of it.

Don't be so sure of yourself. It's immature to claim that all share your perspective.

I agree it is immature for everyone to share a certain perspective of oneself, but this isn't a question of whether he is the hardest worker ( which I believe he is not, it's Rock Lee)it's a question of whether he is a hard worker which by fact according to the manga he is, and to deny the evidence the manga provides, that itself is immature..

 

[shelke]

I agree it is immature for everyone to share a certain perspective of oneself, but this isn't a question of whether he is the hardest worker ( which I believe he is not, it's Rock Lee)it's a question of whether he is a hard worker which by fact according to the manga he is, and to deny the evidence the manga provides, that itself is immature..

That is how you interpreted it then. When you cut time and draw immensely on resources that don't belong to you, then it isn't hard-work. The manga has left the images. It's up to the readers to decide where they fall. You believe he's a hard worker? Good. I don't. The case should close here.

 

[Adam Driver]

That is how you interpreted it then. When you cut time and draw immensely on resources that don't belong to you, then it isn't hard-work. The manga has left the images. It's up to the readers to decide where they fall. You believe he's a hard worker? Good. I don't. The case should close here.

Hmm so your admitting that your denying a fact provided by the manga?
If so respect to your honesty, if not I guess agree to disagree

 

[shelke]

Hmm so your admitting that your denying a fact provided by the manga?
If so respect to your honesty, if not I guess agree to disagree

No, I am telling you how I have interpreted it in that manner.

 

[Adam Driver]

No, I am telling you how I have interpreted it in that manner.

Ok, can I have your thoughts on just only the very top panel of this scan?

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[shelke]

Ok, can I have your thoughts on just only the very top panel of this scan?

Ashura trained and then the chakra bloomed within him. He never inherited the Sage's genes which is why it was harder for him to develop one.

 

[Adam Driver]

Ashura trained and then the chakra bloomed within him. He never inherited the Sage's genes which is why it was harder for him to develop one.

who was suffering and training hard that the chakra bloomed within according to the bubble on the right of the very top panel?

 

[shelke]

who was suffering and training hard that the chakra bloomed within according to the bubble on the right of the very top panel?

Ashura? What does it have anything to do with Naruto?

 

[Adam Driver]

Ashura? What does it have anything to do with Naruto?

Yes, and who is Ashura's reincarnation?

 

[shelke]

Yes, and who is Ashura's reincarnation?

Ashura:

- Worked hard to bloom his own chakra.

Naruto:

- Was given Kurama.
- A seal that allowed for its chakra to mix with his own naturally.
- Made clones every single time to cut the time short. Obscenely short.

I can clearly see the connection. You cannot be serious ...

 

[Adam Driver]

Ashura:

- Worked hard to bloom his own chakra.

Naruto:

- Was given Kurama.
- A seal that allowed for its chakra to mix with his own naturally.
- Made clones every single time to cut the time short. Obscenely short.

I can clearly see the connection. You cannot be serious ...

Lol ok so you believe that considering Naruto having Kurama's chakra and using Kage Bunshin you have come to the conclusion he isn't a hard worker, interesting.