Naruto Uzumaki is a liar.

[gerizzyYMcrew]

The Uchiha were not planing to kill the leaf. Fugaku had no intention of shedding blood. The Uchiha were framed for attacking the village with the Nine Tails, that's why Fugaku was not satisfied how the village was treating his people. Danzo and his folks brainwashed the Third into doing such a thing, that's a fact.


@Bold, contradicting yourself. I'm not saying that Sasuke was right about doing such a thing, it's you people that don't look at the other side of the coin, the Village isn't pure where the rainbow shines everyday. It haves its dark secrets, hence why i said " Mindless slaughter is totally okay as long as the government does it, otherwise, it's evil "

I'm just going by Naruto's logic. Where everything is sunshine and rainbows. The village is pure and Killing all the Uchiha was the right thing to do because, yeah. Sunshine and rainbows.

you got an manga panel quote of naruto agreeing with the uchiha massacre or even voicing his own opinion on it whatsoever?

 

[whiteboy2345]

you got an manga panel quote of naruto agreeing with the uchiha massacre or even voicing his own opinion on it whatsoever?

Did he ever condemn it? When Itachi told him about it he never questioned his actions, from what we can tell, Naruto didn't care.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

First of all, you attack Naruto for being against revenge but when he sought revenge was BEFORE he changed from his conversation with Nagato. That literally makes no sense.

Second, Sasuke was in the wrong for his reaction to the massacre. It wasn't one-sided. Sure Hiruzen was scum and Danzo was scum, but does that warrant destruction of the village? Absolutely not. Heck, even the Uchiha were to blame as well. That's ISIS mentality right there. A terrorist sympathizer kills innocent people for Middle Eastern tragedies and you guys probably and rightfully condemn those types. Sasuke should have been condemned the same if he were to carry out his resolution.

Naruto never gave his opinions on the Uchiha massacre anyways.

Did he ever condemn it? When Itachi told him about it he never questioned his actions, from what we can tell, Naruto didn't care.

You're looking into this way too hard. Not condemning when not asked upon does in no way = condoning it.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Did he ever condemn it? When Itachi told him about it he never questioned his actions, from what we can tell, Naruto didn't care.

you failed to prove a point...this is just your own interpretation

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

you failed to prove a point...this is just your own interpretation

Plus Naruto already knew the Uchiha massacre took place. Obviously he already knew innocents were killed. The only new knowledge was that they were planning a coup and so he reacted to that.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Plus Naruto already knew the Uchiha massacre took place. Obviously he already knew innocents were killed. The only new knowledge was that they were planning a coup and so he reacted to that.

The only new knowledge was that they were planning a coup? Have you forgotten about the knowledge that his own government had it carried out?

 

[chaos control]

This dude's first response to learning that a group of people were massacred in his village is..

"THE UCHIHA WERE PLOTTING A COUP?"

Not, "innocent people were murdered?"

What a dumbass this kid is, so idealistic. He talks about ending the cycle of hatred, but won't even deal with the different sources of it. And I know Itachifaps are all going to come here and talk about how it had to be done, but think about how pathetic the Konoha government is for allowing a man like Danzo to operate without supervision. The Third Hokage was such a chump that it's pathetic, the only time he tried to fix his mistakes, ended in his death, Useless Hokage.

Look at how they let Orochimaru go.

This kid comes from a village hidden in darkness yet he wants to yell in everyone else's face about how they're wrong and not him? Jesus Christ he's such a terribly written character. He yells about how revenge is wrong but actually HELPS get revenge on Hidan and Kakuzu with team Asuma and talks about how he's going to avenge his Pervy Sage.

This dumbass asked why would Sasuke choose revenge in the face of the knowledge that his family was destroyed by his own home-government. I mean, how fking stewpid do you have to be right? Good lord.

And then this idiot punishes HIS OWN SON for using a power beyond his own during the Chuunin Exams, when he USED THE NINE-TAILS IN HIS OWN FIGHT. Is this some sort of joke from whoever made the Boruto movie?


Am I the only person who has gripes with this dudes character?

@Bold: To be fair, Naruto probably already knew that the Uchihas were massacred. That is why he didn't yell it out. That wasn't new knowledge to him. However, the information about the Uchiha planning a coup was new information to him, which is why he yelled it out.

In general, when someone tells you info that you already know, you tend to not get as excited as when someone tells you something more shocking that you didn't know.

I do agree with you however that Hiruzen and Konoha's government royally screwed up!!! If you have to resort to genocide to deal with a domestic problem, then that is probably the ultimate failure for a government. Your are also right that Hiruzen seriously should not have let Orochimaru go! Over all, Hiruzen dropped the ball time and time again ( not stopping the Uchiha massacre, not stopping the Hyuuga affair which ended in Hizashi's death, letting Orochimaru go, etc...)

About Naruto fighting Kakazu and avenging Jiraiya against Pain: To be fair, Naruto didn't start talking about how revenge was wrong and about ending the chain of hatred until after Pain, meaning that he wasn't actually being hypocritical when he fought Kakazu or during the fight with Pain.

As for the chuunin exams thing: Whether anyone likes it or not, unlike Boruto's kote, Kurama is actually a part of Naruto. Naruto would actually literally die if Kurama was extracted. In essence, Kurama is essentially like a second heart for Naruto. I don't know about you, but for me, external or not, once a source is inside my body and my life literally depends on it, that source is mine! Period! Also, think of it from a practicality stand point: Naruto will always have Kurama at every waking moment of his life. They are literally inseperable (or else Naruto dies). Even Kurama's life temporarily depends on Naruto's (if Naruto dies then Kurama will die, but he'll respawn later). The same is not true for Boruto's kote though. Boruto may not always have that on, or he may run out of scrolls, or the kote might break, or the enemy might have a kote too, etc... In short, it is not a true and permanent part of Boruto's arsenal (where as Kurama is a true and permanent part of Naruto's arsenal).

 

[Ansatsuken]

Sorry OP, politic and concrete reasoning are not strong with this series. It happen for the sake to happen. Thinking on who own this series just pfff....

 

[Chaosmark101]

Just curious what chapter was that again? war arc vs Obitio? or?

 

[awesomeseimei]

Well. I don't want to get into any long arguments, but regarding Kote, it is different because it lets you use jutsu you didn't even train for. Naruto still trained for most of the things he did (Rasengan, SM etc).

 

[Megax Rocker7]

I believe the right term is "hypocrite"

 

[Hakke]

This dude's first response to learning that a group of people were massacred in his village is..

"THE UCHIHA WERE PLOTTING A COUP?"

Not, "innocent people were murdered?"

Naruto is a silly character , no denying about that , but the Uchiha clan was about to cause a civil wars , and the only one who didn't know about the Coup d'état was Sasuke because he was too young (maybe he was the only one who was a kid from his whole clan ? :hmm, so he was the only one who was "innocent" .

and leave the people of the village out of this , the decision was only made by 3 people (and mainly by Danzo , that son of a ******) , but the 3d Hokage is as guilty as them (for being weak and Naive) ,

and Itachi was supposed to be one of the smartest characters , yet the thing he did was one the dumbest things I've ever seen ,
he could've stood up in the face of both sides (the village and the clan) , I mean he could've convinced his father to stop the Coup d'état , and he could've convinced the Elders to stop the massacre , instead he was just following orders like a mindless minion
I mean he was the key to stop this messed up situation , yet he screwed every thing up

 

[p0kerx]

You kidding?

Naruto already knew about the uchiha massacre and im pretty sure that when he found out that an entire clan was massacred the first thing the thought about was ¨Lol so many innocent people were slaughtered and for what?¨ After that first impression im pretty sure he was wondering for the reason. The typical ¨But why...¨

Then after hes told the truth he gets finally a somehow justificated reason such as the coup. At least now things started to make SOME sense so its absolutely normal to think something like that once you make the connection between the truth and what happened.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

This dude's first response to learning that a group of people were massacred in his village is..

"THE UCHIHA WERE PLOTTING A COUP?"

Not, "innocent people were murdered?"

What a dumbass this kid is, so idealistic. He talks about ending the cycle of hatred, but won't even deal with the different sources of it. And I know Itachifaps are all going to come here and talk about how it had to be done, but think about how pathetic the Konoha government is for allowing a man like Danzo to operate without supervision. The Third Hokage was such a chump that it's pathetic, the only time he tried to fix his mistakes, ended in his death, Useless Hokage.

Look at how they let Orochimaru go.

This kid comes from a village hidden in darkness yet he wants to yell in everyone else's face about how they're wrong and not him? Jesus Christ he's such a terribly written character. He yells about how revenge is wrong but actually HELPS get revenge on Hidan and Kakuzu with team Asuma and talks about how he's going to avenge his Pervy Sage.

This dumbass asked why would Sasuke choose revenge in the face of the knowledge that his family was destroyed by his own home-government. I mean, how fking stewpid do you have to be right? Good lord.

And then this idiot punishes HIS OWN SON for using a power beyond his own during the Chuunin Exams, when he USED THE NINE-TAILS IN HIS OWN FIGHT. Is this some sort of joke from whoever made the Boruto movie?


Am I the only person who has gripes with this dudes character?

I would say it was either a plot hole or something Naruto NEEDS to work on. Considering he is now the Hokage he should improve not just orphanages, but the system itself, as his best friend suffered so much.

But talking about bestfriend (and his "wife" too), I would say they don't try at all to understand Sasuke and his inner problems as one true friend should and would.
These relationships are so twisted, it's not even funny. This is why I prefer Madara and Hashirama's friendship - at least they are not hypocritical by hiding their problems related to family and village.

 

[ninjarasengan]

This dude's first response to learning that a group of people were massacred in his village is..

"THE UCHIHA WERE PLOTTING A COUP?"

Not, "innocent people were murdered?"

What a dumbass this kid is, so idealistic. He talks about ending the cycle of hatred, but won't even deal with the different sources of it. And I know Itachifaps are all going to come here and talk about how it had to be done, but think about how pathetic the Konoha government is for allowing a man like Danzo to operate without supervision. The Third Hokage was such a chump that it's pathetic, the only time he tried to fix his mistakes, ended in his death, Useless Hokage.

Look at how they let Orochimaru go.

This kid comes from a village hidden in darkness yet he wants to yell in everyone else's face about how they're wrong and not him? Jesus Christ he's such a terribly written character. He yells about how revenge is wrong but actually HELPS get revenge on Hidan and Kakuzu with team Asuma and talks about how he's going to avenge his Pervy Sage.

This dumbass asked why would Sasuke choose revenge in the face of the knowledge that his family was destroyed by his own home-government. I mean, how fking stewpid do you have to be right? Good lord.

And then this idiot punishes HIS OWN SON for using a power beyond his own during the Chuunin Exams, when he USED THE NINE-TAILS IN HIS OWN FIGHT. Is this some sort of joke from whoever made the Boruto movie?


Am I the only person who has gripes with this dudes character?

how about putting it in the correct sequence...for example

"Jesus Christ he's such a terribly written character. He yells about how revenge is wrong but actually HELPS get revenge on Hidan and Kakuzu with team Asuma and talks about how he's going to avenge his Pervy Sage."


1- HELPS get revenge on Hidan and Kakuzu with team Asuma

2-talks about how he's going to avenge his Pervy Sage

3-He yells about how revenge is wrong


It's called character growth and progression...:bdpf:

 

[Nick01]

Damn. Lot's of things wrong here. Though you seem way too salty and rustled beyond repair to see that.

Fail thread.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Hidan and Kakazu were dangerous though. I wouldn't let them live either. I'd consider that as justice in my opinion.

 

[Brooks]

Naruto biggest problem is he fails to listen to anyone who doesn't see the world the way he does. This is why I can never respect him as a character.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Yeah, because kid Naruto is the go-to role model for all things political...? He already knew about the massacre, trying to make Naruto out as unsympathetic or a Konoha tool is out-of-character and against the central theme of the manga.

Naruto isn't a politician Hokage nor a dictator. He's a mascot and a guardian Hokage. He's walking messiah idealism and the point of his character is something so simple persevering and bringing the world closer through empathy and undying persistence.

Kishi's portrayal of peace doesn't have to be realistic to make a point or fitting to the story because none of the peace or strife in Naruto is realistic when a black inhuman entity is literally behind all war and conflict.

 

[Brooks]

Hidan and Kakazu were dangerous though. I wouldn't let them live either. I'd consider that as justice in my opinion.

Tell that to Obito.