Naruto the series was missing something that other Shonens had

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So I re-watched the Naruto ending 15

The ending is starts off kinda low-key and cumbersome but it later picks up the pace and has a nice directive element of new beginning as Naruto runs into the sunset with a small cameo of his Shippuden self


What I am going on about? Well this ending has opened my eyes again as to what was missing in Naruto the series. Social interactions beyond that of misery and drama, and world building.


Look at other great Shonen series:

HXH, One Piece, Toriko, Gintama


What do these have in common? We have character balance with more social build up and interaction. We have large scale world building that adds more mystery as we move along rather then have a globalization effect were the world feel more smaller as we discover more of it with everything either orbiting and reach peak levels with the main protag.

In Naruto Kishi ditches the whole balance idea to focus on Team 7 alone and not in a positive way. What we get is a miserable tale of everyone being depressed while chasing after their friend.

It gets more and more depressing for this squad saving no time for what would happen post achievement in which the story basically ditches everything for this hatred vs non hatred dark tale that only aims for a conclusion after achieving a heavy body count.


If you look at OP yes they face villains but there is a bunch of post villain stuff later were even the villains may later become allies. In Naruto we get some part of this in the beginning but Naruto himself literally reaches peak leadership too early on and basically it comes down to your either with me or damned.


I am not saying we need to tone down the violence or misery but what I am instead saying is that the series should've balanced more characters and also added more social aspects and growth that didn't require misery and death. I mean the only post reflect we get with some villains is a zombie coming back to life in order to repent and then be banished again into the depths of the afterlife with no gratification. Or the dude is dead he gets no character growth since he is dead and then the protag goes off and calls him the coolest guy.


Kishi screwed a ton of things up but by making everything a option of kill or be killed led to the fandom just becoming a fandom of power levels and my fandom will kill your fandom since we don't know shit about everyone else other then some sorrow filled backstory that won't expand upon debate. Oh and shipping wars which most are irrelevant since there was no interactions other then arc to arc in this series.

Gintama has a ton comedy themed arcs but due to all of that its serious arcs tend to have more weight on them since you know most individuals rather then just calling them fodder.


I mean most other Shonen fandoms have larger debates since there are more to talk about. Naruto? not really

World building? Nope we saw all that.... Enemies nope even if there are a twist they'll just die so no point of questioning some other plot changes and alliance formations.

On and on it goes but hopefully you get my point.
 
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Interesting analysis. Mostly just opinions obviously but always good to see a different viewpoint on the overall outline of the story.
 

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You're complete right. It's one of the reasons why Naruto sucks as a series, mainly due to the fact that they never go beyond certain things in the Manga for it to be more realistic. What the series captiilizes on is friendship, rivalry, and certain clans. Instead we know absolutely nothing about the political nor social dynamics between factions of its World.

We've only seen one Village in its entirety: Konoha. We know almost everything there is to know about it's culture, but what about the rest? Just wasted potential.
 

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You're complete right. It's one of the reasons why Naruto sucks as a series, mainly due to the fact that they never go beyond certain things in the Manga for it to be more realistic. What the series captiilizes on is friendship, rivalry, and certain clans. Instead we know absolutely nothing about the political nor social dynamics between factions of its World.

We've only seen one Village in its entirety: Konoha. We know almost everything there is to know about it's culture, but what about the rest? Just wasted potential.

and what does knowing all the villages backstories have to do with stopping infinite tsukuyomi?
 

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I mean when I talk about One Piece to people there is all this happy stuff we can talk about

but for Naruto it is really, REALLY limited
and what does knowing all the villages backstories have to do with stopping infinite tsukuyomi?

what does Kurapika's backstory got to due with finding Gon's Dad
the thing with Naruto is that it limited itself into a narrow path in which one can't explore more routes


it is literally black and white good and evil, kill or be killed

since the plot was so basic from one bad guy to the next while chasing for Sasuke the talks that the fandoms can have basically only became feats vs feats that is it


I mean when I talk to people about OP there are crazy side theories that later actually become true


do such discussion relate to finding the One Piece no but the series doesn't literally need just one plot

I mean a perfect example of this is this Sanji arc were people are hyped not because of the One Piece which the talked a little about before the arc but those crazy Sanji theories that people had fun with literally became true




for Naruto the most we got was literally who the masked guy is or who the leader of Akatsuki was nothing more expansive


and when you talk about things like what happened to Pain's rain village after they lost their leader we can't get discussions since people know such things won't get premise due to Kishi's limited projection of plot and hence they toss it out, ignore it and say who cares it isn't canon let us continue to blabber about Uchiha vs Senju for the trillionth time since you know there is nothing else to talk about but power levels.


Once your done with something you no longer address it. Unless your a revived zombie that even then says a few words for fandom sakes and then leaves.
 
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and what does knowing all the villages backstories have to do with stopping infinite tsukuyomi?
What does the infinite tsukuyomi have to do with the discussion over world building?
 

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I'll simplify everything for you, kishimoto d rided the uchihas and konoha way too hard.
 

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Interesting analysis. Mostly just opinions obviously but always good to see a different viewpoint on the overall outline of the story.

i wish you comment like that in my threads...
 

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what does Kurapika's backstory got to due with finding Gon's Dad
the thing with Naruto is that it limited itself into a narrow path in which one can't explore more routes


it is literally black and white good and evil, kill or be killed

since the plot was so basic from one bad guy to the next while chasing for Sasuke the talks that the fandoms can have basically only became feats vs feats that is it


I mean when I talk to people about OP there are crazy side theories that later actually become true


do such discussion relate to finding the One Piece no but the series doesn't literally need just one plot

I mean a perfect example of this is this Sanji arc were people are hyped not because of the One Piece which the talked a little about before the arc but those crazy Sanji theories that people had fun with literally became true




for Naruto the most we got was literally who the masked guy is or who the leader of Akatsuki was nothing more expansive


and when you talk about things like what happened to Pain's rain village after they lost their leader we can't get discussions since people know such things won't get premise due to Kishi's limited projection of plot and hence they toss it out, ignore it and say who cares it isn't canon let us continue to blabber about Uchiha vs Senju for the trillionth time since you know there is nothing else to talk about but power levels.


Once your done with something you no longer address it. Unless your a revived zombie that even then says a few words for fandom sakes and then leaves.

why the hell are you typing to me about hunter x hunter on a naruto forum?...also you failed to show me how a simple plot means a story is shit...have you read the breaker?...lolololol
 

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What does the infinite tsukuyomi have to do with the discussion over world building?

you answered your own question...and world building does not make or break a manga
 

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you answered your own question...and world building does not make or break a manga
How? I'm still not following what you're trying to explain.

The majority of why Naruto sucks is because it has no world building in contrast to the larger Shounen Manga. Naruto never beat One Piece in sales for a reason lmao
 

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How? I'm still not following what you're trying to explain.

The majority of why Naruto sucks is because it has no world building in contrast to the larger Shounen Manga. Naruto never beat One Piece in sales for a reason lmao

sales has nothing to do with how great a manga is...or is fairy tail better than hunter x hunter now...lololololol

world building does not make a manga good or bad...have you ever read the breaker?...a good manga with a plot that takes place in korea....that was my point
 

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sales has nothing to do with how great a manga is...or is fairy tail better than hunter x hunter now...lololololol

world building does not make a manga good or bad...have you ever read the breaker?...a good manga with a plot that takes place in korea....that was my point
HXH is doing better than FT, way better.

The Breaker does have minimal world building, but it primarily focuses on political viewpoints.
 

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There was plenty of casual interactions in Naruto
 

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completly agree.
Naruto has a problem that it seems the characters don't talk with each other.
The anime improved somewhat this aspect, but there was a lot of nonsense in fillers that distorted or did not add anything to the characters.
 
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