Naruto symbolism: kishi is a knowledgeable man but so am I!

[EternalKaze7]

hrm.. your view of the 'devil' and 'jesus' is of the common man. The concept of those 2 symbolic figures goes deeper than a kind-hearted bearded man and a 2-horned goat-headed monster.
Also, there were several religions that mention the exact same story of a figure like Jesus before christianity even existed. Basically every major religion is build on symbolism. Christianity is just one of them. But by categorizing the religious messages with culture and different languages, people look at each religion like it's totally different from each other.

I'm sorry I'd have to disagree with that fact. The story of Jesus was not around before he was born about 2012 years ago (give or take at least 5 years before or after that date). However the cross itself existed before Christianity and before Jesus, because the Romans who were pagan/polythestic believed in different gods. This goes all the way back to Babylon, which is recorded in the bible. They worshipped a pagan trinity in babylon: semaramis, nimrod, and tammuz. When the language was split after God confounded it, all the different nations kept these ancient beliefs with them. The sign of tammuz is the cross where we get the letter 't' from. The t is supposed to represent the male reproductive part which was lost after a certain man killed nimrod and cut him into many parts. The romans are the one who killed him, and its people were always worshiping these types of gods. The story of Jesus you are talking about that existed before Jesus was not him but actually of Tammuz; the son of semaramis and nimrod. Babylon was where all our languages were scattered from (modern day Iraq) by God. The pagans were influenced by the adversary of God, some worshipped the sun the moon and also worshiped the constellations. Now if Jesus is the SUN who rose, then how come the bible records that he rose from the dead AT NIGHT. This completely destroys the idea that Jesus is the SUN. You can also find 1000s of copies of the new testament in greek that do not contradict each other in major facts like these, only in minor word changes. Jesus also is not zeus, in Hebrew his original name is YAHSHUA/YESHUA and not the greek name iesous or Jesus. In the transitioning from Hebrew to the greek language they add a 'us' to the end of a male's name so Yes(h)ua becomes Ies(us)

 

[YowYan]

I'm sorry I'd have to disagree with that fact. The story of Jesus was not around before he was born about 2012 years ago (give or take at least 5 years before or after that date). However the cross itself existed before Christianity and before Jesus, because the Romans who were pagan/polythestic believed in different gods. This goes all the way back to Babylon, which is recorded in the bible. They worshipped a pagan trinity in babylon: semaramis, nimrod, and tammuz. When the language was split after God confounded it, all the different nations kept these ancient beliefs with them. The sign of tammuz is the cross where we get the letter 't' from. The romans are the one who killed him, and many of them were pagan. The story of Jesus you are talking about that existed before Jesus was not him but actually of Tammuz; the son of semaramis and nimrod. Babylon was where all our languages were scattered from (modern day Iraq) by God. The pagans were influenced by the adversary of God, some worshipped the sun the moon and also worshiped the constellations. Now if Jesus is the SUN who rose, then how come the bible records that he rose from the dead AT NIGHT. This completely destroys the idea that Jesus is the SUN. You can also find 1000s of copies of the new testament in greek that do not contradict each other in major facts like these, only in minor word changes. Jesus also is not zeus, in Hebrew his original name is YAHSHUA/YESHUA and not the greek name iesous or Jesus.

You're missing the point that the story of Jesus matches perfectly with other ancient and modern day religions but in the form of another symbol, another language, and another word.

You said it yourself just now. Another figure that's being used to represent the symbolic meaning of 'intellectual and spiritual upliftment' like jesus is the sun. The story is probably waaaaaay older than Christ himself, but the meaning behind it is exactly the same. The pagans were indeed involved with astrotheology, (again) like you said.

Jesus/sun stands for spiritual and intellectual upliftment. The anti-christ, 'anti' meaning 'replacement' and christ 'spir/intelec upliftment', basically means a replacement for light, knowledge, wisdom, love, connection to the universe, blabla. It's an ancient story of the battle between light and darkness. Jesus is just one of those figures to bring over the story to the people. But instead of getting it, we created organized religious dogma.

That's what you could call this greed fueled fraternity called 'the illuminati': anti-christ. Illuminati means 'enlightened ones' which they are not. They probably just stumbled upon divine knowledge of some sort(alchemy), finding and keeping it a secret since biblical times, so they can distract the masses by making the people categorize each other with organised religion, racism, classism, sexism, etc.

Other than that, YES! a lot of anime are based on real-life phenomenons, so don't be bothered with uninformed peeps bashing you on this thead. You have a ways to go concerning this topic, but you are ahead of everyone here, by doing research instead of dismissing every single thought.

The 'second reality' ideals that Madara follows is somewhat similar to the society the greedy men in our world strive for. <small example

 

[CommanderInChief]

No sir, you simply took something and made it relate to something it has no connection to.

 

[The Alchemist]

I'm sorry I'd have to disagree with that fact. The story of Jesus was not around before he was born about 2012 years ago (give or take at least 5 years before or after that date). However the cross itself existed before Christianity and before Jesus, because the Romans who were pagan/polythestic believed in different gods. This goes all the way back to Babylon, which is recorded in the bible. They worshipped a pagan trinity in babylon: semaramis, nimrod, and tammuz. When the language was split after God confounded it, all the different nations kept these ancient beliefs with them. The sign of tammuz is the cross where we get the letter 't' from. The t is supposed to represent the male reproductive part which was lost after a certain man killed nimrod and cut him into many parts. The romans are the one who killed him, and its people were always worshiping these types of gods. The story of Jesus you are talking about that existed before Jesus was not him but actually of Tammuz; the son of semaramis and nimrod. Babylon was where all our languages were scattered from (modern day Iraq) by God. The pagans were influenced by the adversary of God, some worshipped the sun the moon and also worshiped the constellations. Now if Jesus is the SUN who rose, then how come the bible records that he rose from the dead AT NIGHT. This completely destroys the idea that Jesus is the SUN. You can also find 1000s of copies of the new testament in greek that do not contradict each other in major facts like these, only in minor word changes. Jesus also is not zeus, in Hebrew his original name is YAHSHUA/YESHUA and not the greek name iesous or Jesus. In the transitioning from Hebrew to the greek language they add a 'us' to the end of a male's name so Yes(h)ua becomes Ies(us)

Horus: born by a primitive form of the immaculate conception (his father Osiris had been castrated before his birth and his phalus was never found) to the virgin Goddess Isis.
The garden of Eden originated from the myths of Mesopatamia, namely Sumer, the oldest known civilization to have writing
The "holy ghost/spirit" comes also from Egyptian mythos and was mentioned in the book of the dead, and commonly used among members of the Djedi order (yes that is where George Lucas got the inspiration for his Jedis)
The eucharest also known as the communion was practiced among Egyptian priest thousands of years before even Judaism arose let alone christianity. The priest ate bread and drank wine symbolising the flesh of their god and it's blood.
I could go on by I think I've made my point clear. You sir take your religion way too seriously, LOL!
Edit: Oh and by the way the bible doesn't state jesus rose at night at all. He states he "rose on the third day"...
Someone needs to go back to sunday school before they try messin' with the big boys who actually know what they're talking about, LOL!

 

[EternalKaze7]

You're missing the point that the story of Jesus matches perfectly with other ancient and modern day religions but in the form of another symbol, another language, and another word.

You said it yourself just now. Another figure that's being used to represent the symbolic meaning of 'intellectual and spiritual upliftment' like jesus is the sun. The story is probably waaaaaay older than Christ himself, but the meaning behind it is exactly the same. The pagans were indeed involved with astrotheology, (again) like you said.

Jesus/sun stands for spiritual and intellectual upliftment. The anti-christ, 'anti' meaning 'replacement' and christ 'spir/intelec upliftment', basically means a replacement for light, knowledge, wisdom, love, connection to the universe, blabla. It's an ancient story of the battle between light and darkness. Jesus is just one of those figures to bring over the story to the people. But instead of getting it, we created organized religious dogma.

That's what you could call this greed fueled fraternity called 'the illuminati': anti-christ. Illuminati means 'enlightened ones' which they are not. They probably just stumbled upon divine knowledge of some sort(alchemy), finding and keeping it a secret since biblical times, so they can distract the masses by making the people categorize each other with organised religion, racism, classism, sexism, etc.

Other than that, YES! a lot of anime are based on real-life phenomenons, so don't be bothered with uninformed peeps bashing you on this thead. You have a ways to go concerning this topic, but you are ahead of everyone here, by doing research instead of dismissing every single thought.

The 'second reality' ideals that Madara follows is somewhat similar to the society the greedy men in our world strive for. <small example

I really like this post! At least someone who has other beliefs than me who isn't bashing me. But still I disagree with you about who Christ is. I see Him as being the truth, one is true but the rest are counterfeits. I believe Jesus is THE ONE spoken of as the hero and savior of the entire world, so anything not for Christ is antichrist as stated in the bible. And, No the illuminati do not know the truth, the truth is Holy and does not confine itself to evil men. The illuminati are worshipers of lucifer and of themselves. Jesus taught us the Torah or Old testament as well as giving mercy and grace instead of stoning us for our sins. Babylon is where these ancient religions and theologies came from and have been replicated over thousands of years after the confounding of that 1 language. The Bible is special in its laws and commandments, as well as its impact to radically change people's lives through belief in Jesus. Hebrew is probably the oldest spoken language, no doubt. The oldest books/scrolls in existence are Torah & Tanakh (Old testament) its runner up is The epic of gilgamesh which points to fallen angels. I don't understand how we have all this information but people still believe there is no God?

 

[EternalKaze7]

Horus: born by a primitive form of the immaculate conception (his father Osiris had been castrated before his birth and his phalus was never found) to the virgin Goddess Isis.
The garden of Eden originated from the myths of Mesopatamia, namely Sumer, the oldest known civilization to have writing
The "holy ghost/spirit" comes also from Egyptian mythos and was mentioned in the book of the dead, and commonly used among members of the Djedi order (yes that is where George Lucas got the inspiration for his Jedis)
The eucharest also known as the communion was practiced among Egyptian priest thousands of years before even Judaism arose let alone christianity. The priest ate bread and drank wine symbolising the flesh of their god and it's blood.
I could go on by I think I've made my point clear. You sir take your religion way too seriously, LOL!
Edit: Oh and by the way the bible doesn't state jesus rose at night at all. He states he "rose on the third day"...
Someone needs to go back to sunday school before they try messin' with the big boys who actually know what they're talking about, LOL!

Dude I know exactly what I'm saying. You aren't smart just because you can name another pagan god? Lol. My point is that the horus isis etc. stories goes back to ancient babylon and it is still not the same story as Jesus. The story of Horus is the egyptian story of Tammuz. The God of the bible has three parts which bear witness in heaven, and they are not separate beings who had *** like the gods of any other religions, They are spirit. The significance behind eating bread/flesh and wine/blood is to commune with God and be one in flesh and blood. The Bible is different from any other script and/or religion and the more important parts are the laws commands promises gifts and the faith. The supernatural things in the Bible are signs, true signs that are universal. Certain concepts existed forever, it is written in The Holy Word that Jesus existed from the very beginning of times.

 

[The Alchemist]

I really like this post! At least someone who has other beliefs than me who isn't bashing me. But still I disagree with you about who Christ is. I see Him as being the truth, one is true but the rest are counterfeits. I believe Jesus is THE ONE spoken of as the hero and savior of the entire world, so anything not for Christ is antichrist as stated in the bible. And, No the illuminati do not know the truth, the truth is Holy and does not confine itself to evil men. The illuminati are worshipers of lucifer and of themselves. Jesus taught us the Torah or Old testament as well as giving mercy and grace instead of stoning us for our sins. Babylon is where these ancient religions and theologies came from and have been replicated over thousands of years after the confounding of that 1 language. The Bible is special in its laws and commandments, as well as its impact to radically change people's lives through belief in Jesus. Hebrew is probably the oldest spoken language, no doubt. The oldest books/scrolls in existence are Torah & Tanakh (Old testament) its runner up is The epic of gilgamesh which points to fallen angels. I don't understand how we have all this information but people still believe there is no God?

Yeah and snakes can talk and cause all of the world's problems....
Oh wait, you actually believe that as well. Someone sounds rather gullible to me U_U
Edit: Did you know that in the bible if a woman is raped and doesn't call for help she is to be stoned? That's some special law...

 

[mangekyounaruto4747]

I agree mostly about the post but if this is the case naruto isn't representing a false prophet but he is representing Jesus himself. I think that JUUBI would be the false idol

 

[YowYan]

I really like this post! At least someone who has other beliefs than me who isn't bashing me. But still I disagree with you about who Christ is. I see Him as being the truth, one is true but the rest are counterfeits. I believe Jesus is THE ONE spoken of as the hero and savior of the entire world, so anything not for Christ is antichrist as stated in the bible. And, No the illuminati do not know the truth, the truth is Holy and does not confine itself to evil men. The illuminati are worshipers of lucifer and of themselves. Jesus taught us the Torah or Old testament as well as giving mercy and grace instead of stoning us for our sins. Babylon is where these ancient religions and theologies came from and have been replicated over thousands of years after the confounding of that 1 language. The Bible is special in its laws and commandments, as well as its impact to radically change people's lives through belief in Jesus. Hebrew is probably the oldest spoken language, no doubt. The oldest books/scrolls in existence are Torah & Tanakh (Old testament) its runner up is The epic of gilgamesh which points to fallen angels. I don't understand how we have all this information but people still believe there is no God?

While reading this post, I realized you're glorifying Jesus's name. I guess you're Christian? If so, I can only elevate our convo to a certain extent since religious dogma dominates your beliefs. You are gloriying the bible and jesus, like it is any different and better than other religions. You have to realize, that at the core of every religion, they all have the exact same message. That of the endless battle between light and darkness, it's all symbolic.

You fell for the typical religious ignorant mind-set that we have to prove there is a god, rather than to debate this phenomenon. (god)
I don't want to disrespect, but I feel like I'm talking to a wall when you flat-out ignored the info in my post and went straight back to religious talk.

 

[EternalKaze7]

Yeah and snakes can talk and cause all of the world's problems....
Oh wait, you actually believe that as well. Someone sounds rather gullible to me U_U

There really is no arguing with people like you. Yea the book of genesis is different from today. Do you really think that the world would be the same way it is NOW as it would have been thousands of years ago, or maybe millions of years ago like some atheists believe? Of course it wouldn't. Now snakes talking through people; yea spirits can talk through people even in today's times. Gullible? No I am strong in my beliefs, you aren't God or anyone special enough that your opinion about me should matter.

 

[Wood Release]

Coming from an Atheist if it matters. Kishi only borrows from Dragon Ball (Z) and Japanese mythology and sometimes Buddhist, Tao, Confucist and Hindu mythology - never Christinaity

 

[FearxDeath]

I mean, you make alot of good points and alot of correlations, but I am going to tell you the same thing I told my brother when he heard that Spongebob Sqaurepants is a metaphor for the 7 deadly sins, which has an outstanding amount of proof behind it. "Any series that runs as long as spongebob, has as many villians and good guys with as many plot twists as spongebob does, after a while there are going to be some ties with other stories"

Really though, and remember i am a christian, the bibles story is somewhat generic. There is a evil badguy, who ofcourse has horns, there is a good guy who ofcourse is destined to do whatever he is going to do, there are the helpers that help the good and bad guy, mix in about 500 different fight scenes a bunch of conversations and filler and your bound to see some similarities.

All in all there are a few matches and EVERYTIME i see the SO6P's necklace i think 66*, but idk, what the devil is infiltrating naruto? Doubt it...

 

[EternalKaze7]

While reading this post, I realized you're glorifying Jesus's name. I guess you're Christian? If so, I can only elevate our convo to a certain extent since religious dogma dominates your beliefs. You are gloriying the bible and jesus, like it is any different and better than other religions. You have to realize, that at the core of every religion, they all have the exact same message. That of the endless battle between light and darkness, it's all symbolic.

You fell for the typical religious ignorant mind-set that we have to prove there is a god, rather than to debate this phenomenon. (god)
I don't want to disrespect, but I feel like I'm talking to a wall when you flat-out ignored the info in my post and went straight back to religious talk.

I'm not ignoring your post about that. Like I said before, the concepts of the trinity go back to ancient babylon where we had a 1 religion 1 world system in modern day Iraq. People turned their back to God and God confounded their language, and all those worshipers of Nimrod Semaramis and Tammuz spread out to the four corners of the earth with their many languages. So now Isis/Ashteroth/Easter is Semaramis, Nimrod is baal/zeus/sun and the tammuz is horus/jupiter/and jesus (like you say). However that means that there is a truth behind this trinity concept. The bible says we were created in the image of God, and it is written God said LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE AFTER OUR LIKENESS. Our is plural. The Holy Spirit is feminine like, yes, the holy spirit is wisdom and knowledge, she is not a female human that is bound to corruption and perversion like us. God however is ONE and he only pulled out the Holy Spirit and The Son (which is the word of God) out of himself, out of his own being, just the same way that he pulled out the woman from Adam's rib in Genesis. The word of God or Jesus is the spirit of creation, God says let there be light, and there was light.

 

[EternalKaze7]

Coming from an Atheist if it matters. Kishi only borrows from Dragon Ball (Z) and Japanese mythology and sometimes Buddhist, Tao, Confucist and Hindu mythology - never Christinaity

Never say never. How would you know? His brother Seishi Kishimoto made a manga called 666 satan, in dragonball that one guys name was satan hebrew word meaning deceiver where we get the name from. Many japanese manga artists take from the bible as well as stuff like the kabbalah (jewish mysticism). And 666 is exclusively from the bible in Revelations chapter 13.

 

[sargon106]

Dude, honestly that was crazy and very smart and probably took a lot of work. I believe it too. Pretty crazy stuff.

 

[EternalKaze7]

Dude, honestly that was crazy and very smart and probably took a lot of work. I believe it too. Pretty crazy stuff.

Thanks man, I really appreciate posts like this especially when it took some time and half the people are bashing me, but I am fine with it. The clues were fresh in my head but I was so excited when doing it. It was really surprising seeing Minato point to the cross and said I want my son to be like the one in your book.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

Im a muslim , but even a christian would say that a budhist kishi would not go that far with religion

 

[Sarahmint]

1. I don't beleive most people who believe in the bible believe in "illuminati", which is just a very popular urban legend. (There are Freemasons, but its a religious FRATERNITY. It is not a group of people who created "New World Order", which is not working so well to begin with)

2. I'm impressed with the research you did. Good storytelling. It reminds me of

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3. Kishimoto put more Buddist and Japanese Religion in it then Christianity (at least that is my speculation)

 

[EternalKaze7]

Im a muslim , but even a christian would say that a budhist kishi would not go that far with religion

Im a muslim , but even a christian would say that a budhist kishi would not go that far with religion

I am a Christian, and I do believe that Kishimoto has at least read some of the bible like Revelations Matthew and John. What makes you think he wouldn't do that? IS IT REALLY THAT IMPOSSIBLE FOR A JAPANESE MAN TO TAKE CONCEPTS FROM THE BIBLE? LOL!

 

[YowYan]

1. I don't beleive most people who believe in the bible believe in "illuminati", which is just a very popular urban legend. (There are Freemasons, but its a religious FRATERNITY. It is not a group of people who created "New World Order", which is not working so well to begin with)

2. I'm impressed with the research you did. Good storytelling. It reminds me of

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3. Kishimoto put more Buddist and Japanese Religion in it then Christianity (at least that is my speculation)

They are not religious. Religion is a tool for them to stupify the masses. And no, it's not an urban legend. Don't make assumptions when you know squat.