[Theory] Naruto showed one of his ultimate moves in 654

[Kage Bumchin]

Naruto's stongest ability was shown in chapter 654 as you can see here

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My theory is that what happened here is something called "Talk no Genjutsu"
I mean look at Obito here the man who "cant be changed"

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If Talk no Jutsu is Izanagi because it changes peoples fate And Plot no Jutsu is Izanami because it decides it. This would be Infinate Tsukuyomi, forever changing the character however Naruto likes.

 

[Everztar]

what the hell

 

[The Sach]

It isn't like that, Naruto TNJ'd him I mean Naruto's talk changed him there is nothing like TNJ-Izanagi..:vincent:

 

[D R E X]

what the hell

What she said ....( U_U )

 

[-Best-]

damn..thread's like this are discussed a hell lota times in NB.!!

 

[Madara ibn Lahad]

TnJ gets more variants by the day..

 

[esenn1]

Tnjizamirasenshuriken

 

[cigi]

I call it talk no genjutsu

 

[Wolfus]

Oh, that's not it exactly. That was his flashback punch. This punch infused with TNJ caused the genjutsu. Pretty OP.

 

[Thorium]

We always get the weirdest threads the day before a chapter is released.

 

[Mr Hiru]

You know what's the worst thing about this thread?

IT MAKES SENSE

Lol

 

[The Sach]

You know what's the worst thing about this thread?

IT MAKES SENSE

Lol

Please tell me how does it make sense??O_O
You have something to put??

 

[Flakez]

TnJ solos obviously.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Please tell me how does it make sense??O_O

Let me expand, his conclusion is worth of a good analysis.

If Talk no Jutsu is Izanagi because it changes peoples fate And Plot no Jutsu is Izanami because it decides it. This would be Infinate Tsukuyomi, forever changing the character however Naruto likes.

We have three comparisons.

If Talk no Jutsu is Izanagi because it changes peoples fate

Sasuke was meant to avenge the Uchiha Clan and protect Konoha. When he was TnJ by Obito, his fate changed... he was going to destroy Konoha.

Another TnJ reversed this fate, Hashirama's TnJ and Itachi's TnJ.

The same thing happened to Nagato after he got TnJ.

And Plot no Jutsu is Izanami because it decides it.

When the author, Kishimoto, wants something to happen, no matter which circumstances are involving the characters, no matter how beaten are the good guys and how powerful are the bad guys, something happens suddenly, and the good guys wins.

In the case of Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto, this sudden event was called Izanami.

In the case of Eight Tails Naruto vs Pain, this sudden event was called Minato.

In the case of Sakura and Lee vs Sound Ninjas, this sudden event was called Curse Mark Sasuke.

It was something that has to ensure the good guys could keep alive, for the sake of plot.

This would be Infinate Tsukuyomi, forever changing the character however Naruto likes.

Quite the combination of both Izanagi and Izanami. Naruto has the ability to mold his enemies no matter how strong they are, he changes his own destiny and decides his enemies destiny with one move. Ah yeah, and he always do it, with almost all enemies, he keeps trying more and more... his own nindou is what makes it infinite.

 

[The Sach]

Let me expand, his conclusion is worth of a good analysis.


We have three comparisons.



Sasuke was meant to avenge the Uchiha Clan and protect Konoha. When he was TnJ by Obito, his fate changed... he was going to destroy Konoha.

Another TnJ reversed this fate, Hashirama's TnJ and Itachi's TnJ.

The same thing happened to Nagato after he got TnJ.



When the author, Kishimoto, wants something to happen, no matter which circumstances are involving the characters, no matter how beaten are the good guys and how powerful are the bad guys, something happens suddenly, and the good guys wins.

In the case of Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto, this sudden event was called Izanami.

In the case of Eight Tails Naruto vs Pain, this sudden event was called Minato.

In the case of Sakura and Lee vs Sound Ninjas, this sudden event was called Curse Mark Sasuke.

It was something that has to ensure the good guys could keep alive, for the sake of plot.



Quite the combination of both Izanagi and Izanami. Naruto has the ability to mold his enemies no matter how strong they are, he changes his own destiny and decides his enemies destiny with one move. Ah yeah, and he always do it, with almost all enemies, he keeps trying more and more... his own nindou is what makes it infinite.

OK, but about your last statement, did you just say infinite Tsukyomi=Izanami+Izanagi??

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Forget that.

Why the hell is his hair still white?

Obito, you have lost your Uchihahood.

 

[Mr Hiru]

OK, but about your last statement, did you just say infinite Tsukyomi=Izanami+Izanagi??

Exactly. Think about a bucle, a life cycle.

Izanagi is the God of Creation while Izanami is the Goddess of Destruction.

Izanagi and Izanami

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gave birth to the many islands of Japan (

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). But she died after giving birth to the fire-god

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. Izanagi executed the fire god with the "ten-grasp sword" (

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). Afterwards, he paid his wife a visit in

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) in the hopes of retrieving her. But she had partaken of food cooked in the furnace of the Underworld, rendering her return impossible. Izanagi betrayed his promise not to look at her, and lit up a fire, only to behold in her monstrous and hellish state. To avenge her shame, she dispatched the horrible hag Yakusa no ikazuchi no kami(

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to chase after him. Izanagi escaped, but the goddess promised to kill a thousand of his people every day. Izanagi retorted that a thousand and five hundred will be born every day.

 

[Draxus]

Exactly. Think about a bucle, a life cycle.

Izanagi is the God of Creation while Izanami is the Goddess of Destruction.

The problem I see is that Izanami + Izanagi = Creation of All Things, not IT (in Narutoverse).

Mostly though TNJ and PNJ threads are just stupid. It only becomes these things when stuff people don't like happens. In reality, the entire store is "plot" and often words are used as catalyst in character development, so its silly to only call it out when you think a character acts or events transpire against the way you feel they should.

 

[Rikudou Sennin balls]

Omg are you serious? There is no such thing as tnj. All Naruto does is relate to people's deep emotions and relate to them. It's because Naruto was alone for 12 years of his life that he knows what they go through. It's not a Justu. It's part of his personality, his will is contagious, he inspires people that's all.

People in real life do the same thing MLK, Mohandas Gamdhi, Obama, Bob marley, even Hitler. When those people talked it changed the way people wanted to live there lives. These threads about tnj are annoying. Don't just read the manga understand it. Naruto is about the story of the becomings of a great leader and how he will change his world and lead them into peace.

 

[GreyWizard93]

Omg are you serious? There is no such thing as tnj. All Naruto does is relate to people's deep emotions and relate to them. It's because Naruto was alone for 12 years of his life that he knows what they go through. It's not a Justu. It's part of his personality, his will is contagious, he inspires people that's all.

People in real life do the same thing MLK, Mohandas Gamdhi, Obama, Bob marley, even Hitler. When those people talked it changed the way people wanted to live there lives. These threads about tnj are annoying. Don't just read the manga understand it. Naruto is about the story of the becomings of a great leader and how he will change his world and lead them into peace.

Thank you.