Naruto Shippuden Episode 461 " Hagoromo and Hamura" Discussion

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I have a theory. As Gammamaru said the divine tree was absorbing natural energy and life forces, it's kind of parasite, maybe created by Ootsutsuki or someone else and send over the planets where lifes were. Boruto the movie proves that because that shinju on momoshiki planet absorbed every natural energy and that why there is any sign of nature or life. Otsutsuki have different bodies than others as momoshiki stated. I assume that Nature energy is key to their power, Kaguya got Rinne-sharingan after eating Chakra fruit. Chakra Fruit is only product of natural energy that Shinju was absorbing. Gammamaru said that Hagoromo can become like Kaguya, so I can say chakra fruit gives power to absorb natural energy and it's key to ootsutsuki powers, it unlocks every power that kaguya has. Look at that Momoshiki stated that Otsutsuki can gain youth, long life. strenght by absorbing/utilizing chakra, So negative effects of nature energy don't work on Ootsutsuki, It gives them a power. So it means It's highly probably that thanks to nature energy Hagoromo awakes rinnegan, it unlocks him that power, i think.
Based that there are statues of frogs, I can say there were people who wanted that power, but who were They? Based that Gamammaru exists in that era, I can say as well Snake sennin and snail sennin exist, because the three of places where they live are legendary.
i would mention that momoshiki's appearance after absorbing Kinshiki become like Cursed seal guys.
 
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Hagoromo didn't have the bayakugan . His eye's looked like but he never got the power. He asked his brother to use his eyes. I loved that lightning attack when he destroyed thee rock. I have been waiting to him use chakra
 

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Well it was good episode and nicely done. I am happy that we get finally some backstory of Kaguya including a bit life from their children Hagoromo and Hamura. Also I really love what they to do to make ootsutsuki characters more deeper then they were presented in manga. However I dislike fast pacing of hagoromo and Hamura to being grown ups and even lack of Kaguya's bond with them, honestly I would prefer to see it better done with progress like:

babies Hagoromo and Hamura - Kaguya loving them deeply while doing some dark stuff in background but they are not aware
kids Hagoromo and Hamura - Kaguya caring about her sons and rasing them up while keep terrorizing people.
early teens Hagoromo and Hamura - Kaguya caring and loving as they look at to her but sometimes they are not obeying
medium teens Hagoromo and Hamura - Kaguya feeling bad as they like to hang around a lot of them own so they are esacping from her grasp and she being afraid of them finding out. Hagoromo and Hamura being suspicious
late teens Hagoromo and Hamura - Kaguya neglecting them a bit while doing anything she was to do. Hagoromo and Hamura find out truth and try to oppose their mother
adults Hagoromo and Hamura - Kaguya want their chakra back as she suspect betrayal as they push and try to influnce her to stop destroying world.

Whole Kaguya's caring and mother side in opposite to her's terryfing pressence and feeling betrayed while wanting their chakra back.

Also the whole Divine ki plot, seems like Kaguya planted it in ground so eventually she would aqcuire great power.

Also I don't like Hagoromo need to go through sharigan-rinnegan evolution. It just steal a bit uniquality and greatness as he was only one stated to master Rinnegan and awoken it through normal eyes. Also Connecting to toad sage mode is also bad, would be better if Hagoromo and Hamura taught frog, snake and snail who are know as nowadays sage animals.

Sumary:

+ Kaguya's interraction with her sons
+ Hagoromo and Hamura brothership
+ Hagoromo and Hamura having extraordinary powers
+ Gammaru appearing before them
+ Kaguya's IT
+ well done
+ nice animation
+ good pace

- Lack of Hagoromo and Hamura's growing up time and Kaguya changing her behaviour to them as they were growing up
- Hagoromo and Hamura not having senjutsu powers and being taught by gammaru, should be otherwise
- No RMS Hagoromo and Hamura until they were though by Gammamaru
- Lack of Hagoromo and Hamura training with Kaguya
- no emotions or feelings of Kaguya. Lack of conflict between her Mother caring side and being all powerfull and knowing what is better for you

all in all: 8/10, Plot could be done a bit better
 

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Oh wow! Another awesome episode!

The backgrounds were meh in this one (esp those water fields), and the character's expressions looked weird at times but overall it was very good! The story was even better than last time and even though we still don't know the most crucial thing (where Kaguya came from and what the hell was she trying to do) we had the mystical characters fleshed out and actually feel something about the fight rather than what was in the manga where we were just waiting for it to end to get to VotE2.

Next episode seems to be the last we'll see of Kaguya (maybe they'll continue the filler with Indra and Ashura stuff) as we already got to BZ and fake history stuff. Anyway, great job SP, keep 'em coming! :win:
 

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@kcm
całkiem dobrze napisane :D.


Btw. I think Episode was great. Movie proves that
Ootsutsuki know about shinju very well.
As I said it's probably ootsutsuki can unlock power through absorbing natural energy, Chakra fruit itself is product of shinju and source of that is natural energy that flows though nature and people as Gammamaru said. So, well it can imply that People had chakra before but they didn't know how to use it or rather that chakra was natural energy and they could learn it, what would prove why there are these frogs stones (people who wanted to learn to use that power but failed).
 
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I'm confused...So hamura received no sage training and is essentially fodder? No ninjutsu used he just has a byakugan and a blade? I mean thats IT?!?!?!?!?!
Why do you think he's fodder? I'm pretty sure a guy who can go live on a moon and build a whole civilization there is more than worth something.

+ he got Tenseigan at some later point in his life and Tenseigan is broken.
 
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