Naruto Shippuden Episode 338 "Izanagi and Izanami" – Discussion

[LitAquarius]

10/5. Enjoyed it overall. & Dat Uchiha Female.

 

[theacknowledgedone]

5/5 from me, that episode did a really good job of explaining. Makes me even more excited for the following episodes! =D

 

[Chatte]

The explanation was sooo much clearer now, compared to when i read it in the manga. In the manga it was confusing.

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Regardless heaps good episode seeing other uchiha's mangekyou sharingan and other uchiha members. Since, im in love with uchiha, i loved this episodes to bits!!

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A give this episode a 100/100!!

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I very much agree with this. It was so hard to understand Izanami in the manga, but the anime made it a bit clearer, heh.

 

[hariorh]

The anime makers finally landed on their previous goof in the earlier episodes!!!

In the manga, when Itachi left naruto and bee, he ended by saying he will stop the edo tensei. But in the anime, he didn't say such. He just up and left without saying where he was headed...

Now at the end of this episode, he ends it by saying he has fulfilled his promise to naruto. What effing promise??? Absolute trolling by the anime makers here if u ask me.

 

[Hebi Sasuke]

I liked the episode. I'm so sad about Kabuto,never liked him though but his fate is sad.

 

[Itachi Edo]

I liked this a lot for the most part. There were a few hiccups that contradicted the cannon, but for the most part the filler they mixed into this episode were awesome.

 

[razinzell]

The fact that he had his eye back again was due to the effect of the girl's izanami and you don't need senju DNA to cast Izanagi. It DOES HOWEVER lengthen the use of the technique. Danzo used Senju DNA to control the many sharingan imbedded into his arm and to majorly quicken the recovery of Shishui's Koto Amatsukami, which without senju dna would need 10 years like Itachi said.

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[sLm]

Eh, Izanagi eyes were never confirmed to be sealed, they just always shut because that's how Kishi chose to depict blindness. True, we've never seen them turn white before closing, but it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for the whiteness to happen gradually compared to Izanami.

At any rate, with Itachi, Kishi probably felt it was more dramatic for the eye to turn white while wide open. Also, Itachi already closes one eye to perform various Mangekyou abilities, so simply closing one eye wouldn't signal the activation of Izanami as clearly to readers.

Kishi would probably have done the same thing if Itachi had used Izanagi, but then the "surprise" factor of the Izanagi jutsu is in learning is been used after the fact at the most dramatic moment, whereas Izanami has a clear starting point followed by build up, culminating in an activation once the technique is complete. Thus, the suspense is all in the signals, so an eye turning white serves his purpose.

It's probably no more complicated than that, and hardly a plothole. If the animators chose Kishi's newer, more distinct and dramatic method of showing Izanagi/Izanami blindness, who can blame them?

The eye clearly shuts when Izanagi is used... Danzo's eyes all of them closed after using Izanagi, and I doubt he was using Amaterasu with all of them (thus, Itachi closing his eyes sometimes has nothing to do with this). Also, when Tobi used Izanagi, he clearly got his eye sealed.

 

[Amazeballs]

The eye clearly shuts when Izanagi is used... Danzo's eyes all of them closed after using Izanagi, and I doubt he was using Amaterasu with all of them (thus, Itachi closing his eyes sometimes has nothing to do with this). Also, when Tobi used Izanagi, he clearly got his eye sealed.

My point is that the eye closing doesn't mean it's sealed, it's just how Kishi stylistically chose to represent blindness. An eye closing is a good way to show that the Izanagi cast by the eye has ended. However, it's a boring/confusing way to show a technique *beginning*, particularly one like Izanami where all the suspense is in the build-up (unlike Izanagi, which has played is part and ended by the time blindness occurs).

In short, it's not a plot hole.

And you appear to have missed the point entirely about Itachi closing his eyes to perform a technique. In the case of eyes closing on Danzou's arm, each eye closing clearly signified "another one down, X more to go." In Itachi's case, the effect wouldn't be as distinct or clear, hence why Kishi chose to have an eye go white and be left open. In all likelihood, Danzou's arm eyes were also white after he spent them on Izanagi, but for the purposes of illustrating the technique it made more sense for then to close. It still doesn't mean anything or represent any material difference between Izanagi and Izanami, it's just stylistic.

 

[Iventera]

I really liked the episode*_*
The plot holes didn't really bother me*_*
The explanation about Izanami was wayy better than the manga:bouncy:
5/5

 

[Enigmatic]

The anime makers finally landed on their previous goof in the earlier episodes!!!

In the manga, when Itachi left naruto and bee, he ended by saying he will stop the edo tensei. But in the anime, he didn't say such. He just up and left without saying where he was headed...

Now at the end of this episode, he ends it by saying he has fulfilled his promise to naruto. What effing promise??? Absolute trolling by the anime makers here if u ask me.

maybe he was thinking it?

 

[Navado]

Wow. One of the best ive seen. I know im kinda new but let me throw in my two cents. The only plot hole I noticed was the headbands but we dont know if that was pre or post madara or, when the uchihas ultimate visual jutsu, were forbidden. As for the MS spamming, we dont really know how prevalent it was back then only that madara unlocked it at a young age in his time and probably had the bossest ms ability. Like a koto amatsukami, or better. Anyways ill give this a 5/5. Actually made me feel bad for Kabuto. Where is he any ways?

 

[Reidara]

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Curious... when I look at these

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and the entire explanation of Tobi during Sasuke's and Danzo's fight, I don't get the impression there is an emphasis on needing Senju DNA for the jutsu. Izanagi doesn't seem te require a mangekyou either so it could make sense that certain members were able to use it (though that leaves the question why did the anime give the fodder Uchiha mangekyou's?)

I can only conclude that Kishimoto has made a slight contradiction in his story. The Izanagi was powerful and quickly labeled a forbidden jutsu, but how powerful and dangerous can it be when an Uchiha requires Senju DNA for it... that would mean the Uchiha were litteraly out for Senju blood I don't think it is healthy to just pump your enemy's blood so you can get a certain jutsu, it's not like there were a whole bunch of Orochimaru's to do it for you. Curious contradiction, that's all.

 

[Arch Sage]

Hey guys...now I think u now see the uchihas true
power ....now I guess u shud update ur previous
discussions about pain and Jman being stronger than
itachi...he shud be d tru definition of "flee on
sight"...lol

 

[Uchiha Cesar]

them feels for kabuto and his brother...