[Discussion] Naruto & Sasuke's Powers Originality?

[valandil988]

Ok here is a small rant on something that's been bothering me for a while.

It seems Kishi has a super love affair with inherited powers and, Old = Powerful. To a certain extent this is true. However innovation and "new" powers are something protagonists feature to a certain extent.

Naruto and Sasuke however have been completely taken over by OTHER PEOPLE'S powers. By that I mean there is nothing left in their arsenal that isn't some how originally someone else's power.

For example we originally considered Naruto's Sage mode to be a great achievement for him, something that made him more unique rather than just traveling down familiar paths. Now we know dear old daddy got there first. The only thing that Naruto can say is his own is the Rasenshuriken....something I find to be incredibly wasteful for chakra for such a low damage threshold.

Sasuke is in a similar position though he has sightly more to his own name. He created his own jutsu expanding on Kakshi's own Chidori type jutsu. And he achieved true elemental manipulation with the Kirin, something we haven't seen any other character do (not that they couldn't its just we haven't seen it from any other character).


Now both characters have their "ultimate" power ups, powers that come from the past not from their own capabilities. Hagaromo and his family are what make Naruto and Sasuke powerful, not Naruto or Sasuke themselves.

They haven't gained unique powers that they themselves have discovered on their own that is linked to their own power its always linked to this ancestry now or some past dudes power. This makes it very hard for me to like these power ups.

They can't be Naruto or Sasuke, its the elder son and younger son now. Even Naruto having Kurama now isn't all that impressive now that we find out that Ashura likely had all the Biju anyway. Nothing about Naruto is unique anymore. Sasuke is slightly better off than Naruto, he gained the Rinnegan from Hagaromo, or at least a version of the Rinnesharingan. This sets him apart from Indra in my mind, makes him an equal of Indra (as Indra never gained that eye). Naruto....sorry he isn't anything more or different from Ashura in the powers department it seems.

I hope people understand where I am coming from I wonder if anyone else feels the same.

 

[Mypower]

Spill that tea U_U

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[Flakez]

He created his own jutsu expanding on Kakshi's own Chidori type jutsu. And he achieved true elemental manipulation with the Kirin, something we haven't seen any other character do (not that they couldn't its just we haven't seen it from any other character).

So did Naruto by creating Rasenshuriken. :|

We haven't seen Ashura nor Indra use any of those powers.

Naruto and Sasuke are currently displaying it, I don't see a problem here.

 

[valandil988]

So did Naruto by creating Rasenshuriken. :|

We haven't seen Ashura nor Indra use any of those powers.

Naruto and Sasuke are currently displaying it, I don't see a problem here.

edited Naruto Rasenshuriken, I forgot that when writing my post.

Sigh my point stand, the fact that we haven't seen Indra or Ashura use these powers doesn't mean they didn't have them. The fact is Naruto and Sasuke now have the son's powers FACT.

My problem with it is that it leave no room for things truly unique to Naruto and Sasuke its completely overtaken by powers from the past and from Hagaromo and his sons. I want Naruto and Sasuke to be just as cool and strong as the elder and younger son without haven't to resort to just taking their powers for themselves.

 

[Flakez]

My problem with it is that it leave no room for things truly unique to Naruto and Sasuke its completely overtaken by powers from the past and from Hagaromo and his sons. I want Naruto and Sasuke to be just as cool and strong as the elder and younger son without haven't to resort to just taking their powers for themselves.

But that's not possible, you know that right?

Hagoromo - their father, had the power of the Juubi in himself.

Since birth they had enormous power.

And over time their descendants got weaker.

 

[valandil988]

But that's not possible, you know that right?

Hagoromo - their father, had the power of the Juubi in himself.

Since birth they had enormous power.

And over time their descendants got weaker.

Its MANGA I don't care about geneology. I care about my protagonists that I like getting stronger using their own power not some power they just happen to have because they got lucky in the parents department.

For example take Ichigo when he beats down Aizen enough for the seal placed on him to work. His words, "Final getsuga is about me becoming getsuga" This is something thats uniquely Ichigo nobody else can lay claim to it.

Sasuke and Naruto though? They have powers unique to them that are fodderized by the skills that Ashura and Indra had, ergo they have to take on the Elder/younger son's powers.

I want Sasuke to do unique things with his Sharingan, I want Naruto to discover things he can do with his uniquely immense chakra. Anything...

 

[Six Paths of Logic]

edited Naruto Rasenshuriken, I forgot that when writing my post.

Sigh my point stand, the fact that we haven't seen Indra or Ashura use these powers doesn't mean they didn't have them. The fact is Naruto and Sasuke now have the son's powers FACT.

My problem with it is that it leave no room for things truly unique to Naruto and Sasuke its completely overtaken by powers from the past and from Hagaromo and his sons. I want Naruto and Sasuke to be just as cool and strong as the elder and younger son without haven't to resort to just taking their powers for themselves.

Shows what u know, they gain half of Hagoromo's power/chakra and they themselves are the reincarnation of his sons.
And either way Naruto and Sasuke are the ones that are fighting.

 

[valandil988]

Shows what u know, they gain half of Hagoromo's power/chakra and they themselves are the reincarnation of his sons.
And either way Naruto and Sasuke are the ones that are fighting.

Do I even have to respond to this =_=

Watch out your not far from being Honord Sage's twin sibling.

 

[Flakez]

Its MANGA I don't care about geneology. I care about my protagonists that I like getting stronger using their own power not some power they just happen to have because they got lucky in the parents department.

For example take Ichigo when he beats down Aizen enough for the seal placed on him to work. His words, "Final getsuga is about me becoming getsuga" This is something thats uniquely Ichigo nobody else can lay claim to it.

Sasuke and Naruto though? They have powers unique to them that are fodderized by the skills that Ashura and Indra had, ergo they have to take on the Elder/younger son's powers.

I want Sasuke to do unique things with his Sharingan, I want Naruto to discover things he can do with his uniquely immense chakra. Anything...

You see that's the problem.

They have no way of obtaining those immense powers on their own.

Madara was the same, he had to combine the both son's chakra to awaken the rinnegan.

All this power comes from the Shinju, so you can't expect much uniqueness. That's the path Kishi decided to take. And I personally have no problem with it.

 

[valandil988]

You see that's the problem.

They have no way of obtaining those immense powers on their own.

Madara was the same, he had to combine the both son's chakra to awaken the rinnegan.

All this power comes from the Shinju, so you can't expect much uniqueness. That's the path Kishi decided to take. And I personally have no problem with it.

Lawl, you don't seem to get it.

I want Naruto and Sasuke to gain powers unique to them, not rehashes of the powers of others. Kishi could quite easily have created scenarios for them in which they could gain powers completely unique to them.

I'm not saying they should gain the Rinnegan or any bullshit old world power like they have now. I'm saying they could have created their own powers that could match those ones. And you say its impossible.....its manga its the realm of the impossible. Look at what Kishi has been doing lately lol you think even HALF of whats happened will be explained? Lawl.

 

[Six Paths of Logic]

Do I even have to respond to this =_=

Watch out your not far from being Honord Sage's twin sibling.

I understand your feelings are hurt, but if u dont like the manga then dont read it, simple as that.
Honord Sage's twin sibling? I dont even have to respond to this :vincent:

 

[Flakez]

I want Naruto and Sasuke to gain powers unique to them

But, from where?

They can't come out of thin air, because people will start calling it asspull.

 

[Superior Jinchuriki]

Didn't Hashirama do sage training first?

 

[valandil988]

But, from where?

They can't come out of thin air, because people will start calling it asspull.

Its far to late to do it now silly. Kishi has written his manga I'm just moaning about how its all turned out. Naruto and Sasuke are barely recognizable to me as being different from Ashura and Indra now days lol, though Sasuke is better off.

I understand your feelings are hurt, but if u dont like the manga then dont read it, simple as that.
Honord Sage's twin sibling? I dont even have to respond to this :vincent:

Lawl....

"Shows what u know, they gain half of Hagoromo's power/chakra and they themselves are the reincarnation of his sons.
And either way Naruto and Sasuke are the ones that are fighting."

Pls read, whats the point of saying any of this? And why the heck would it matter in this discussion. Ergo you = honord sage a dude famous for making nonsensical statements. I just call em as I see em.

 

[Superior Jinchuriki]

Okay, by reading you guy's discussion, I thought of a few things my self. Alright. Naruto power does come from Ashura. Maybe Ashura's battle avatar fuses with Naruto's KCM

1. Naruto biju forms

 

[valandil988]

]Okay, by reading you guy's discussion, I thought of a few things my self. Alright. Naruto power does come from Ashura. Maybe Ashura's battle avatar fuses with Naruto's KCM

Exactly...don't you see even naruto's Biju mode isn't unique anymore. Its not something unique to his chakra alone. Again its an inheritance. Nothing remains in Naruto's arsenal that isn't somehow effected or a remnant of some other dead guys power.

 

[Superior Jinchuriki]

Okay I see what your saying. At first, Naruto's chakra mode was unique. But when he recieved Hagoromo's power, it changed. But, he also recieved other tailed beast ability's. Doesn't that count?

 

[UncleRuckus]

It technically is unique to naruto, naruto's cloak mode looks nothing like ashura's, or his dad...I mean theres similarities but thats because they both have same blood/kurama. Naruto naturally has a bright colorful chakra of his own that he got from his mother (uzumaki chakra), the flame cloak ish thing is technically his own since we never got to see ashura use anything like that. As for bijuu mode, his first kurama bijuu mode is unique to kurama's look. Now that he has all the beasts it will be different also, and unique to his uzumaki blood/original cloak.

 

[rollin]

That's why I like naruto there's a set power level
In most mangas you just keep getting stronger and stronger in naruto Kaguya is the strongest

 

[Superior Jinchuriki]

Wait, Ashura didn't have all the biju's. He just had his father's body life force, which allowed him to make an Avatar. Naruto's TB form is close to Ashura's avatar.

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