Naruto Sasuke Hashirama Madara Minato Kakashi Obito vs ALL NV

Rike Senju · Dec 2, 2013

Restrict KA and team 1 has a chance.

xKiD SPiiD3rMaN · Dec 2, 2013

NarutoIndra said:
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Hashirama's trees aren't reaching that far when ST takes them all out with one hit [
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]. And what I meant was Juubi being controlled by external sources i.e. Madara and Obito, was much stronger when it found it's jinchuriki, as you could see with the strength and TBB's it was firing. The Kyuubi was much weaker than it should've been when it was being controlled by Madara instead of Naruto as a jin. The 8 Bijuu's would all have this applied onto them, meaning 8 perfect jinn's rape.

I said with SM. Learn to read. He would have to balance it with senjutsu, and Naruto isn't doing that for him via the kyuubi's chakra. Moreover, Hashirama has no such feat.

Indeed, Kamui has no defines. It isn't hype, it's simply can't be defended against. It can be evaded with S/T but that is all. Anyways, KA ends Kakashi before he even knows who to target between the 500,000 shinobi's. Danzo/Shisui spot Kakashi and Obito instantly. Fine, I will go by what I previously said and make them all non-edo. Still doesn't change the fact everyone that was once dead is now alive (Although I assume SO6P isn't part of this). Anyways, Itachi can use yata mirror, and then deactivate Susano. you act as if he can't use Susano or fight without being on the floor. He fought with Sasuke and didn't have that bad of a stamina if he weren't sick. This thread assumes everyone is healthy, otherwise I could also say Madara at his deathbed. Itachi healthy can easily repel back many TBB's with no difficulty since nothing suggests the size will make him tire out at a greater pace.

NV means literally every ninja. So yes, Madara is alive and has the rinnegan as that is his prime.

No?.. Madara cannot cover all his allies with preta, while Nagato can easily go forward and use preta to stop the attack. Moreover, you seem to be ignoring my point of ST hitting the Kyuubi while he's charging TBB and making the TBB backfire onto it.

TBB with swords took out many arms. Jinton is an even stronger offensive attack and the area it operates since it breaks everything down to a molecular level. Shisuusenju isn't n exception to this. Anyways, Madara never even aimed for the legs, Jinton can be aimed at the legs and wipe them away from existence.

True, they can take out one person each before they are out. Kakashi can kamui someone and then proceed to die from KA. Obito can go intangible, take someone out by materialising, which is when he is KA'd. KA puts you through a false experience and manipulates you completely. Nothing suggests they will be broken out of it before they have changed sides. Itachi was going to use it to give Sasuke wrong beliefs and manipulate him to protect Konoha, by giving it the command "protect Konoha", but it ended up being used on Itachi, and had the exact same effect. Nothing suggests Obito can't be manipulated, and Kakashi can't be manipulated, by changing their sides.

Deva path takes out the frogs like it did last time with a single ST/BT.

Deidera's c4 lol.. That would affect the entire alliance as well so no thanks. Chakra roar makes it backfire.

Hashi's flower world back fires on team 1. It also isn't working when a single ST disperse it so much it has no effect. How did you say team 1 counters the sand, gold dust, iron sand combo again? I don't see how such a tsunami can be even countered considering its weight an quantity. Furthermore, they can magnetise Minato's FTG Kunai's and remove them from him, and absorb the mark within it. You still have no viable reasoning as to how team 1 wins.

I guess we meant the same thing about the tailed beasts/jinchuriki. However, Mokuton suppresses chakra regardless of who controls it.

lol learn to read... Look I obviously saw that you said Sage Mode, not that it matters because neither of us has proof that either Hashirama can use Naruto's chakra as an enhancement or not. Although, I lean more towards him doing it because all the cloak has to do is cover you and if Hashi can balance natural energy with his own chakra perfectly I don't see how the cloak would make it so that he could not balance it.

So let's not throw around pointless negative comments at each other just because we have differing views. I don't know you and you don't know me.

Again, you pick and choose when to use feats and when not to, to argue in your favor. You say Hashirama has no feat, but then say Yata will repel TBBs when it does not have an actual feat to repel anything, because it was only used one time in the entire series against some basic ninja tool explosives and it did not even repel the attack. Surely a TBB would be more destructive than paper bombs.

It was never stated that Itachi was assumed to be healthy anywhere in this thread, but I will still go with it, just for arguments sake.

I believe Madara can use preta to absorb any attack just like Nagato would be able to. Yet when you say Nagato will have a better chance going forward and protecting '500,000 shinobi' than Madara would protecting a handful of people it is confusing to me.

I didn't ignore your point about ST, I just didn't reply to it. I mean yea it could work. I don't know about it making the Kyuubi's TBB backfire back on to itself, since Naruto and Minato are in full control and could just stop the tech or dodge it.

Jinton may be a stronger technique than TBB but that doesn't change the fact that when TBB hits something it gets obliterated. Maybe not on a molecular level, but I mean a super jinton from Ohnoki only took out some susano'o clones, it will not be enough to stop Shissusenju. You say go for it's legs. But do you really believe that will be enough to take it down?

This whole KA argument is moot to me. Like I said, Ao sensed it on Mifune. Sharingan sees genjutsu disruption, KA is a genjutsu. You say nothing suggests that it will be broken out of before switching sides, but I mean I just gave you the counter to it. If you choose to believe it will not work, there is no convincing you.

I don't see how Shinra Tensei will stop ma and pa from doing the frog song, unless Naruto and Nagato are fighting 1v1. The bigger the ST, the more chance that Nagato will wipe out his own forces.

I wasn't saying that c4 was the wisest move to use, I was just saying it has a better chance at taking out most of team 1 because only 2 of them can see it and counter it.

Team 1 can literally counter anything with Naruto and Minato's chakra link, or just Minato having a tag on everyone on his team. Minato can either teleport his entire team or use an S/T barrier to counter the attack directly. FTW will most likely not effect Hashi or Maddy and Minato can teleport Obito, Kakashi, Naruto, and Sasuke out of the radius. Obito and Kakashi could also use Kamui to dodge it themselves. Sure your sand combo is a good idea, but still the facts are...

Madara's PS can slash mountains. This literally means one swipe from his blade can destroy the majority of the army instantly. Who can counter that on team 2?

And of those people that counter it and are still alive, how would they stop Naruto's TBB barrage and Shissusenju? That's all Im saying.

I never even stated that team 1 would stomp or anything. This all started from me asking who could counter Shissusenju and I don't see jinton working against it because if it was as OP as you say, then shouldn't Muu and Ohnoki haven beaten EMS Madara when he was apart of Konoha?

NarutoIndra · Dec 3, 2013

xKiD SPiiD3rMaN said:
I guess we meant the same thing about the tailed beasts/jinchuriki. However, Mokuton suppresses chakra regardless of who controls it.

lol learn to read... Look I obviously saw that you said Sage Mode, not that it matters because neither of us has proof that either Hashirama can use Naruto's chakra as an enhancement or not. Although, I lean more towards him doing it because all the cloak has to do is cover you and if Hashi can balance natural energy with his own chakra perfectly I don't see how the cloak would make it so that he could not balance it.

So let's not throw around pointless negative comments at each other just because we have differing views. I don't know you and you don't know me.

Again, you pick and choose when to use feats and when not to, to argue in your favor. You say Hashirama has no feat, but then say Yata will repel TBBs when it does not have an actual feat to repel anything, because it was only used one time in the entire series against some basic ninja tool explosives and it did not even repel the attack. Surely a TBB would be more destructive than paper bombs.

It was never stated that Itachi was assumed to be healthy anywhere in this thread, but I will still go with it, just for arguments sake.

I believe Madara can use preta to absorb any attack just like Nagato would be able to. Yet when you say Nagato will have a better chance going forward and protecting '500,000 shinobi' than Madara would protecting a handful of people it is confusing to me.

I didn't ignore your point about ST, I just didn't reply to it. I mean yea it could work. I don't know about it making the Kyuubi's TBB backfire back on to itself, since Naruto and Minato are in full control and could just stop the tech or dodge it.

Jinton may be a stronger technique than TBB but that doesn't change the fact that when TBB hits something it gets obliterated. Maybe not on a molecular level, but I mean a super jinton from Ohnoki only took out some susano'o clones, it will not be enough to stop Shissusenju. You say go for it's legs. But do you really believe that will be enough to take it down?

This whole KA argument is moot to me. Like I said, Ao sensed it on Mifune. Sharingan sees genjutsu disruption, KA is a genjutsu. You say nothing suggests that it will be broken out of before switching sides, but I mean I just gave you the counter to it. If you choose to believe it will not work, there is no convincing you.

I don't see how Shinra Tensei will stop ma and pa from doing the frog song, unless Naruto and Nagato are fighting 1v1. The bigger the ST, the more chance that Nagato will wipe out his own forces.

I wasn't saying that c4 was the wisest move to use, I was just saying it has a better chance at taking out most of team 1 because only 2 of them can see it and counter it.

Team 1 can literally counter anything with Naruto and Minato's chakra link, or just Minas to having a tag on everyone on his team. Minato can either teleport his entire team or use an S/T barrier to counter the attack directly. FTW will most likely not effect Hashi or Maddy and Minato can teleport Obito, Kakashi, Naruto, and Sasuke out of the radius. Obito and Kakashi could also use Kamui to dodge it themselves. Sure your sand combo is a good idea, but still the facts are...

Madara's PS can slash mountains. This literally means one swipe from his blade can destroy the majority of the army instantly. Who can counter that on team 2?

And of those people that counter it and are still alive, how would they stop Naruto's TBB barrage and Shissusenju? That's all Im saying.

I never even stated that team 1 would stomp or anything. This all started from me asking who could counter Shissusenju and I don't see jinton working against it because if it was as OP as you say, then shouldn't Muu and Ohnoki haven beaten EMS Madara when he was apart of Konoha?

It's already a given that you have to be able to balance your kyuubi chakra with SM, and have control over your Kyuubi chakra. Otherwise, Naruto could've used BM with SM the first time he launched BM, but that is not the case. No proof at all suggests he can combine it and has the proficiency to do so. You have to balance the Kyuubi's chakra with SM. Since it isn't part of Hashirama's body, and other factors that apply with him not having control over the Kyuubi's chakra, one can't simply say he has a 50% chance of doing it. That is like saying Sasuke has a 50% chance of gaining the rinnegan, when nothing suggests he does have any chance at all.

Fair enough.

You fail to realise the Yata has shown to repel, and the Yata has been said to repel everything in the DB and be indestructible in the manga. What has suggested Hashirama can combine with the kyuubi's chakra to launch a KSM? Nothing. Anyways, these are scans of Yata actually repelling, instead of blocking [