Naruto & Sasuke are clearly equals at this point and...

[UCE]

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Their power was equal. Your bold already answered why sasuke used jugo, its for senjutsu. Powerwise they were the same level. If they were not fighting a jubi jin, they be toe to toe, regardless of "senjutsu"

A normal match up, sasuke didn't need senjutsu or fodder jugo to fight even naruto

Since when do you solo so much? Men so that's why you have troll king in your name.

 

[TrollKing]

Since when do you solo so much? Men so that's why you have troll king in your name.

You can call me sasuke if you want

 

[Ultimateone]

You started of disagreeing they are equal, but end up saying they are pretty equal =D

actually, no. saying that two people will have a hard battle does not mean they are equal. for instance, hashirama was clearly above madara, but there matches were still hard fought. even after madara came in a superior edo tensie he still loss to hashirama, but still was a good fight. so while i do believe that naruto sits comfortably above sasuke, it still won't be an easy fight either way.

 

[Mad Daz]

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Their power was equal. Your bold already answered why sasuke used jugo, its for senjutsu. Powerwise they were the same level. If they were not fighting a jubi jin, they be toe to toe, regardless of "senjutsu"

A normal match up, sasuke didn't need senjutsu or fodder jugo to fight even naruto

Bsm naruto > ems sasuke mid diff.

Maybe low diff if he actually goes all out from the begining.

Sasuke needed jugo to even get at 50% his power imo

 

[TrollKing]

actually, no. saying that two people will have a hard battle does not mean they are equal. for instance, hashirama was clearly above madara, but there matches were still hard fought. even after madara came in a superior edo tensie he still loss to hashirama, but still was a good fight. so while i do believe that naruto sits comfortably above sasuke, it still won't be an easy fight either way.

Now you are straight up contradicting yourself. Make up your mind because your logic is not logic

Bsm naruto > ems sasuke mid diff.


Maybe low diff if he actually goes all out from the begining.

Sasuke needed jugo to even get at 50% his power imo

Your opinion is contrary to manga. Sasuke needed jugo's senjutsu for jubi jin, it was not to match nine tails power

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[BigGuns Reloaded]

actually, no. saying that two people will have a hard battle does not mean they are equal. for instance, hashirama was clearly above madara, but there matches were still hard fought. even after madara came in a superior edo tensie he still loss to hashirama, but still was a good fight. so while i do believe that naruto sits comfortably above sasuke, it still won't be an easy fight either way.

False hashirama was never CLEARLY ABOVE Madara he edged him out
After izuna died Madara went against all the senju and and fought for days only losing by exhaustion and being out numbered
They had a final fight I suggest you all look at hadhirama and Madara's condition Madara was winning
Even as Edo Madara was fighting but nonchalant because he didn't have hashirama's full attention he even let himself get blown up then what do currently see both senju brothers beaten by Madara

So no it's not a fact hashirama is above Madara

On the topic at hand
Naruto is not stronger contrary to popular belief he has bigger flasher jutsu

People often mistake larger for more powerful
I'd say pretty equal in terms of strength tho base Sasuke is superior

Honestly Too much abc logic when it comes to these 2

 

[Ultimateone]

False hashirama was never CLEARLY ABOVE Madara he edged him out
After izuna died Madara went against all the senju and and fought for days only losing by exhaustion and being out numbered
They had a final fight I suggest you all look at hadhirama and Madara's condition Madara was winning
Even as Edo Madara was fighting but nonchalant because he didn't have hashirama's full attention he even let himself get blown up then what do currently see both senju brothers beaten by Madara

So no it's not a fact hashirama is above Madara

On the topic at hand
Naruto is not stronger contrary to popular belief he has bigger flasher jutsu

People often mistake larger for more powerful
I'd say pretty equal in terms of strength tho base Sasuke is superior

Honestly Too much abc logic when it comes to these 2

hashirama was clearly above madara. when madara fought the senju clan you act as if hashirama would have gone all out. he would not have needed to go all out as he was already more than a match for madara by himself. so it stands to reason that he was not going all out. not to mention his brother was there also who would also give madara a hard time. don't reference the edo tobirama and madara scuffle. not only was madara alive at that time, but he also had hashirama's senjutsu, and had the rennigan which he wouldn't have had during that original time. so don't act like madara can handle the senju clan by himself.

as for the valley of the end fight, hashirama clearly had the upper hand. madara even brought in the kyuubi to make it a more even fight, but hashirama still beat him. as for how they looked, you forget that hashirama pulled a faint on madara. he pretended to be mortally wounded in order to get madara from behind. the fact that hashirama, despite madara having the kyuubi, still came out with the victory proves this fact. i also made it clear that even if someone is superior to another that doesn't mean the fight will be easy, unless that other person is fodder.

that was my whole argument for which you and Trollking are missing. it is not contradictory to say someone sits above another, but still say it will be a had fought battle. it's all about match-ups, and the fact that sasuke is a great ninja in his own right, just like madara was even though he was always below hashirama.

 

[SuperChief]

That's what kishi shows, and that is Manga facts. You don't really need a brain to read, you just need basic comprehension. In nv, only kishi's imagination matters, everyone else's imagination is called fanfiction/fantic/fan-tasy

You should look up a dictionary. Your wishful thinking does not amount to fact. You should slap yourself for thinking EMS Sasuke is a match for BM Naruto. That is some asinine shit to spew, son.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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They need natural energy. Fanfiction? Yea take it somewhere else. The scan you show is them using "natural energy" to have effect on jubi jin

You two should learn how to read before you make yourself look like a moron

Oro's words:"when I injected him sasuke was able to release the curse seals power."
Karin's words:" I thought he lost the curse seal power

Sm and the curse Mark is a POWERUP.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

No cuz that would mean the sage is showing favoritism. Which is the reason all this started. He gave them equal amounts of power. Not power to make them equal.
Naruto already said its half and half so manga disagrees with your fanfiction

And so the Sage is totally content with letting one son be stronger than the other? Really?

Anyway he also get Winged PS as a result of it outside of the sage's gift putting them on par

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Yaaaaaaaaay the threads full of biased people trying to debate something that's been answered. What else did I expect?

There is literally zero reason at this point for one of the Son descendants to be stronger than the other. In the Obito arc when Naruto and Sasuke fought alongside each other there was constant quips and shocked reactions from both sides, Kishi made it so that it was controversial and ambiguous as to who was the strongest. For every panel of Sasuke looking at Naruto and saying 'how strong have you become?' there's one of Naruto being covered or inspired by Sasuke, it was very balanced but there was clear disruption.

Now in this arc there hasn't been a single moment of that. They are working together perfectly, nobody is overshadowing the other or caught off-guard when the other does something impressive, they're finally in sync and the audience need to understand that. It's a story, the narrative commands them to have equal power otherwise the MEANING OF THE MATERIAL IS LITERALLY LOST.

 

[TrollKing]

You should look up a dictionary. Your wishful thinking does not amount to fact. You should slap yourself for thinking EMS Sasuke is a match for BM Naruto. That is some asinine shit to spew, son.

Dictionary, I am surprised you know what it is when you have such comprehension XD

Oro's words:"when I injected him sasuke was able to release the curse seals power."
Karin's words:" I thought he lost the curse seal power

Sm and the curse Mark is a POWERUP.

Your "powerup" is irrelevant, I already showed the scan that said they said he needs "natural energy", not "fire power" when susanoo stomps cs. Sasuke was pulling the "natural energy" of jugo. Jugo firepower is crap at war arc, his cs can't even scratch Ay. You completely ignored my scan or my post

 

[shelke]

As of now, PS flight adds a huge advantage. Naruto has yet to top Sasuke's speed feats in the previous chapter as well. So until then, Sasuke is clearly much superior. We need more feats from Naruto's side.

You should stop conveniently forgetting about the past because the present looks better. It was widely accepted that KCM, BM and BSM variants were all more powerful than EMS Sasuke. This revisionist history bullshit you're trying to shovel isn't going to fly now that Sasuke had a power up.

Yeah, we should totally take your word for it. Who cares about the manga, when we have the opinion of Naruto fans.

 

[Turson]

Of course they are, that should be obvious to anyone.

 

[TrollKing]

hashirama was clearly above madara. when madara fought the senju clan you act as if hashirama would have gone all out. he would not have needed to go all out as he was already more than a match for madara by himself. so it stands to reason that he was not going all out. not to mention his brother was there also who would also give madara a hard time. don't reference the edo tobirama and madara scuffle. not only was madara alive at that time, but he also had hashirama's senjutsu, and had the rennigan which he wouldn't have had during that original time. so don't act like madara can handle the senju clan by himself.

as for the valley of the end fight, hashirama clearly had the upper hand. madara even brought in the kyuubi to make it a more even fight, but hashirama still beat him. as for how they looked, you forget that hashirama pulled a faint on madara. he pretended to be mortally wounded in order to get madara from behind. the fact that hashirama, despite madara having the kyuubi, still came out with the victory proves this fact. i also made it clear that even if someone is superior to another that doesn't mean the fight will be easy, unless that other person is fodder.

that was my whole argument for which you and Trollking are missing. it is not contradictory to say someone sits above another, but still say it will be a had fought battle. it's all about match-ups, and the fact that sasuke is a great ninja in his own right, just like madara was even though he was always below hashirama.

"Sitting above one comfortably, but need a hard fight" is contradicting! Its like you are saying you can pass exam all the time because they are soooooo easy, but your hands shake like nuts and you pee in your pants everytime you take an exam. Yea right.. that's how easy it is XD

Perhaps what you explaining is really force, because the belief you have and your conclusion not making sense

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Dictionary, I am surprised you know what it is when you have such comprehension XD



Your "powerup" is irrelevant, I already showed the scan that said they said he needs "natural energy", not "fire power" when susanoo stomps cs. Sasuke was pulling the "natural energy" of jugo. Jugo firepower is crap at war arc, his cs can't even scratch Ay. You completely ignored my scan or my post

He said senjutsu. As in nature techniques. We all know senjutsu is 10 times stronger than regular jutsu based on the feats kabuto,naruto, fugaku,jman,shima etc gave us.

With your logic bm=bsm since senjutsu does nothing. But what would I expect from someone like you.