Naruto & Sasuke are clearly equals at this point and...

[SuperChief]

You do know Madara had no eyes so who's to say his susano'o got weaker? also Naruto didn't do that alone he had 8 other tailed beasts to do the work to get 1 sneak attack in and even then it did nothing besides we all know what happened after that besides you mention Naruto's speed but Sasuke was tracking and keeping up with KCM/BM/BSM and Obito fine Naruto cant even hit Sasuke with taijutsu either TBB could work but it's also has prep time and it's to slow Sasuke can avoid it easily before it even gets near him

Irrelevant. Naruto has a huge speed advantage in BM over EMS Sasuke. The point of that panel is to illustrate how badly Naruto would own Sasuke. The fact Madara didn't use his full power Susanoo is irrelevant since Sasuke's greatest Susanoo feat prior to 676 is his full body Susanoo cutting a Shinju branch. Madara was using the same variant, which I'd argue would be stronger than Sasuke's since it's Madara. In other words, BM Naruto would smack EMS Sasuke. Susanoo is literally Sasuke's only means of combat in that fight and it won't be anywhere near enough. To simplify that ever more, Sasuke gets wrecked. Badly.

You've clearly gone off the deep end now if you're suggesting Sasuke is any way on the same level as Naruto. That's where I draw on the line on how much stupidity I am willing to tolerate.

 

[Styles]

Irrelevant. Naruto has a huge speed advantage in BM over EMS Sasuke. The point of that panel is to illustrate how badly Naruto would own Sasuke. The fact Madara didn't use his full power Susanoo is irrelevant since Sasuke's greatest Susanoo feat prior to 676 is his full body Susanoo cutting a Shinju branch. Madara was using the same variant, which I'd argue would be stronger than Sasuke's since it's Madara. In other words, BM Naruto would smack EMS Sasuke. Susanoo is literally Sasuke's only means of combat in that fight and it won't be anywhere near enough. To simplify that ever more, Sasuke gets wrecked. Badly.

You've clearly gone off the deep end now if you're suggesting Sasuke is any way on the same level as Naruto. That's where I draw on the line on how much stupidity I am willing to tolerate.

There is literally no point in debating when you can't comprehend whats right in front of you

 

[TrollKing]

Irrelevant. Naruto has a huge speed advantage in BM over EMS Sasuke. The point of that panel is to illustrate how badly Naruto would own Sasuke. The fact Madara didn't use his full power Susanoo is irrelevant since Sasuke's greatest Susanoo feat prior to 676 is his full body Susanoo cutting a Shinju branch. Madara was using the same variant, which I'd argue would be stronger than Sasuke's since it's Madara. In other words, BM Naruto would smack EMS Sasuke. Susanoo is literally Sasuke's only means of combat in that fight and it won't be anywhere near enough. To simplify that ever more, Sasuke gets wrecked. Badly.

You've clearly gone off the deep end now if you're suggesting Sasuke is any way on the same level as Naruto. That's where I draw on the line on how much stupidity I am willing to tolerate.

Manga disagree with you completely

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They are same speed attacked at the same time, both got blocked at the same time, strength are really even. So your fan-tasy is too far from manga facts

 

[SuperChief]

There is literally no point in debating when you can't comprehend whats right in front of you

What's right in front of me are clear manga facts that in no uncertain terms dictate that Naruto is the vastly more powerful shinobi. You have presented no evidence to counter any of my assertions and have offered only your misguided interpretation of author's intent as some of kind of counter argument, which it isn't. Excuse me for not wasting any more of my time on such nonsense.

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Manga disagree with you completely

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They are same speed attacked at the same time, both got blocked at the same time, strength are really even. So your fan-tasy is too far from manga facts

This is on the same level of Itachi being as fast KCM Naruto because they were having a conversation. It's a transparent attempt at obfuscating facts and disregards context. The entire aim of Naruto and Sasuke attacking Obito was to engage him simultaneously in an attempt to overwhelm him. That clearly backfired. It's sad you're willing to misrepresent facts to win an argument.

 

[Stxluciferr]

I agree OP,

The manga clearly shows them as equal

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Necessary for the nature of senjutsu, not the power. Jugo is fodder, kishi doesn't even bother drawing him now. Manga only stated they need the nature of senjutse to be effective on jubi jin, never stated or hinted they need a power boost that you like to believe

Oro's words> your opinion.

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Manga scan> your opinion.

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Take your fanfic's elsewhere.

 

[TrollKing]

Oro's words> your opinion.

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Manga scan> your opinion.

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Take your fanfic's elsewhere.

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They need natural energy. Fanfiction? Yea take it somewhere else. The scan you show is them using "natural energy" to have effect on jubi jin

You two should learn how to read before you make yourself look like a moron

 

[TrollKing]

What's right in front of me are clear manga facts that in no uncertain terms dictate that Naruto is the vastly more powerful shinobi. You have presented no evidence to counter any of my assertions and have offered only your misguided interpretation of author's intent as some of kind of counter argument, which it isn't. Excuse me for not wasting any more of my time on such nonsense.

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This is on the same level of Itachi being as fast KCM Naruto because they were having a conversation. It's a transparent attempt at obfuscating facts and disregards context. The entire aim of Naruto and Sasuke attacking Obito was to engage him simultaneously in an attempt to overwhelm him. That clearly backfired. It's sad you're willing to misrepresent facts to win an argument.

Scan shows bsm is same as ems. You pulling a paragraph out of no where totally irrelevant to the scan

 

[Styles]

Oro's words> your opinion.

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Manga scan> your opinion.

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Take your fanfic's elsewhere.

Isn't that what he was trying to say that Sasuke only needed Juugo for nature energy ?

 

[SuperChief]

Scan shows bsm is same as ems. You pulling a paragraph out of no where totally irrelevant to the scan

That's what they show to you. Anyone with half a brain can figure out the context of that page, but have your own "truth" if it helps you sleep at night.

 

[Ultimateone]

i don't think they are equal, because that would mean that the sages body is equal in power to his eyes. i don't believe that to be true, but obviously some disagree. not to mention that the bijuu power is technically separate from the sages power, so naruto has actually gotten double the power up when sasuke only got one. but either way a fight between the two wont be easy either way.

 

[UCE]

Because the naruto fans will think naruto > sasuke.

 

[TrollKing]

That's what they show to you. Anyway without half a brain can figure out the context of that page, but have your own "truth" if it helps you sleep at night.

That's what kishi shows, and that is Manga facts. You don't really need a brain to read, you just need basic comprehension. In nv, only kishi's imagination matters, everyone else's imagination is called fanfiction/fantic/fan-tasy

 

[TrollKing]

i don't think they are equal, because that would mean that the sages body is equal in power to his eyes. i don't believe that to be true, but obviously some disagree. not to mention that the bijuu power is technically separate from the sages power, so naruto has actually gotten double the power up when sasuke only got one. but either way a fight between the two wont be easy either way.

You started of disagreeing they are equal, but end up saying they are pretty equal =D

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Sauce and Nardo are in fact not equals.

The power they received only tops off the power they already had.

Sauce even admits to Nardo being on another level compared to him, when he witness's the immense amount of Chakra Nardo is able to use effortlessly.

Nardo has 1-9 Tailed Beast Chakra(Pusedo-Jubii) + Perfect Senjutsu + SO6P's Power + His own immense Chakra/Stamina.

Sauce has Juubi's eye(I'm not calling it a Rennigan, it clearly isn't) + Sharingan + SO6P's Power + His own fairly large Chakra/Stamina Pool.

As far as I can see the feats that Nardo is capable of far exceeds those that Sauce can do.

Sauce used his new dojutsu a couple times and he already had to keep the eye closed, Nardo has been for quite some time now dispite his death, pumping out large amounts of chakra and pushing his stamina to its limits pretty much since the beginning of this entire War. IMO, Sauce is not capable of doing this.

 

[UCE]

Sauce and Nardo are in fact not equals.

The power they received only tops off the power they already had.

Sauce even admits to Nardo being on another level compared to him, when he witness's the immense amount of Chakra Nardo is able to use effortlessly.

Nardo has 1-9 Tailed Beast Chakra(Pusedo-Jubii) + Perfect Senjutsu + SO6P's Power + His own immense Chakra/Stamina.

Sauce has Juubi's eye(I'm not calling it a Rennigan, it clearly isn't) + Sharingan + SO6P's Power + His own fairly large Chakra/Stamina Pool.

As far as I can see the feats that Nardo is capable of far exceeds those that Sauce can do.

Sauce used his new dojutsu a couple times and he already had to keep the eye closed, Nardo has been for quite some time now dispite his death, pumping out large amounts of chakra and pushing his stamina to its limits pretty much since the beginning of this entire War. IMO, Sauce is not capable of doing this.

I slap my self with this logic ^

 

[ShishaMastah420]

I slap my self with this logic ^

Oook?

Do you enjoy slapping yourself?

Are you a Masochist?

 

[TrollKing]

Sauce and Nardo are in fact not equals.

Sauce even admits to Nardo being on another level compared to him, when he witness's the immense amount of Chakra Nardo is able to use effortles?sly.

Admited nardo on another level??

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Yet, sauce matched that up right away effortlessly. So much for another level

And by the way sauce said to nardo:

"Don't put me on same level as you"(implying he's superior to nardo)

XD

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Admited nardo on another level??

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Yet, sauce matched that up right away effortlessly. So much for another level

And by the way sauce said to nardo:

"Don't put me on same level as you"(implying he's superior to nardo)

XD

Thanks for posting the scan that shows that Sauce needs Juugo's power to even try to match Nardo?

As far your rebuttal to my claims, invalid, sauce was speaking specifically about when Nardo tried to tell him only Senjutsu works on Obito... It's in the same scan you posted.

 

[TrollKing]

Thanks for posting the scan that shows that Sauce needs Juugo's power to even try to match Nardo?

As far your rebuttal to my claims, invalid, sauce was speaking specifically about when Nardo tried to tell him only Senjutsu works on Obito... It's in the same scan you posted.

Their power was equal. Your bold already answered why sasuke used jugo, its for senjutsu. Powerwise they were the same level. If they were not fighting a jubi jin, they be toe to toe, regardless of "senjutsu"

A normal match up, sasuke didn't need senjutsu or fodder jugo to fight even naruto