Naruto & Sasuke are clearly equals at this point and...

[BenjerminGaye]

You should conveniently forgetting about the past because the present looks better. It was widely accepted that KCM, BM and BSM variants were all more powerful than EMS Sasuke. This revisionist history bullshit you're trying to shovel isn't going to fly now that Sasuke had a power up.

True. Before the hypothetical ps sasuke did or didn't have. It was kcm vs ems. Then when he got legged susanno it was bm vs ems. Bsm was always> ems.

 

[SuperChief]

True. Before the hypothetical ps sasuke did or didn't have. It was kcm vs ems. Then when he got legged susanno it was bm vs ems. Bsm was always> ems.

I'd argue KCM Naruto > EMS Sasuke, legged Susanoo or otherwise. BM Naruto absolutely destroys EMS Sasuke. The feats aren't even comparable.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I accord it to the manga. Manga stated 2 powers mixed. Which two power? Nine tails power and sasuke power.(the cloak was either insignificant or its simply classified as nine tails power in that panel)

Juugo?? Since when he's even close to biju level?? Never, so he can't boost no one's power except weak people like jounins at best. And jugo was not included in that 2 powers mixed panel

Oro said juugo was necessary for sm legged susanno. And when the "two powers" mixed juugo was standing in the susanno jem.
And tbh two powers mixing doesn't mean two equal powers. Case in point naruto's wind rasengan mixing with yamato's water tech.

 

[TrollKing]

I'd argue KCM Naruto > EMS Sasuke, legged Susanoo or otherwise. BM Naruto absolutely destroys EMS Sasuke. The feats aren't even comparable.

By feat, nagato destroy kaguya. Little children's pisś test is not canon

 

[SuperChief]

I'm pretty sure EMS Sasuke can pull of a full Susanoo body without Jūgo. He just needed Jūgo for the extra boost.

By feat, nagato destroy kaguya. Little children's pisś test is not canon

Admirable attempt at a straw man/false equivalence fallacy there, too bad it's so laughable transparent.

 

[TrollKing]

Oro said juugo was necessary for sm legged susanno. And when the "two powers" mixed juugo was standing in the susanno jem.
And tbh two powers mixing doesn't mean two equal powers. Case in point naruto's wind rasengan mixing with yamato's water tech.

Necessary for the nature of senjutsu, not the power. Jugo is fodder, kishi doesn't even bother drawing him now. Manga only stated they need the nature of senjutse to be effective on jubi jin, never stated or hinted they need a power boost that you like to believe

 

[TrollKing]

I'm pretty sure EMS Sasuke can pull of a full Susanoo body without Jūgo. He just needed Jūgo for the extra boost.



Admirable attempt at a straw man/false equivalence fallacy there, too bad it's so laughable transparent.

There's no straw man needed when you believe kcm = ems. Basically every word I say would be canon. I only know of two people here dumb enough to agree with kcm = ems

 

[Styles]

That's a baseless assertion, but I don't need to tell you that, right? I'm not even going to humour you on this asinine assertion of EMS Sasuke matching BSM or even BM Naruto when, by feats alone, KCM Naruto blows him out of the water. Using KCM, Naruto is faster than A, can spawn Kage level clowns that can use Sage Mode and spam FRS and other such variants. What does EMS Sasuke have on that? I'd like to hear your intelligent input on that.

the parallel he made was EMS Sasuke with amaterasu, Aoda and V2 Susano'o with KCM with summon (Gamakichi) and odama FRS and EMS Sasuke with Susano'o V3 legged was paralleled to BM/BSM he only needed juugo to benefit the nature energy how hard was it for you to get that ? if you can actually prove KCM can bead EMS Sasuke then i'll grant it to you but till then i do not agree

 

[TrollKing]

the parallel he made was EMS Sasuke with amaterasu, Aoda and V2 Susano'o with KCM with summon (Gamakichi) and odama FRS and EMS Sasuke with Susano'o V3 legged was paralleled to BM/BSM he only needed juugo to benefit the nature energy how hard was it for you to get that ? if you can actually prove KCM can bead EMS Sasuke then i'll grant it to you but till then i do not agree

Dammm . These kind of fan-tasy.. I can even prove konohamaru solo so6p!

 

[Styles]

Dammm . These kind of fan-tasy.. I can even prove konohamaru solo so6p!

I don't follow what you're saying 0.o

 

[TrollKing]

I don't follow what you're saying 0.o

I'm referring to the one saying kcm > ems. And bsm godstomp ems

 

[DoubleKamui]

Read my status. It practically explains every sh*t that you see here on NB.

 

[Styles]

I'm referring to the one saying kcm > ems. And bsm godstomp ems

Ah gotcha now, don't see how he do don't see the parallel of them being equal ever since the Obito fight but he still say KCM stomps and BM/BSM godstomps

 

[TrollKing]

Ah gotcha now, don't see how he do don't see the parallel of them being equal ever since the Obito fight but he still say KCM stomps and BM/BSM godstomps

He hates sasuke, that's about how he doesn't see it

 

[SuperChief]

the parallel he made was EMS Sasuke with amaterasu, Aoda and V2 Susano'o with KCM with summon (Gamakichi) and odama FRS and EMS Sasuke with Susano'o V3 legged was paralleled to BM/BSM he only needed juugo to benefit the nature energy how hard was it for you to get that ? if you can actually prove KCM can bead EMS Sasuke then i'll grant it to you but till then i do not agree

You mistake your own inaccurate interpretation for author's intent, which I shouldn't have to tell you in reality differs with yours. I'm usually open to discussing outside of feats parameters but you're not making a convincing case at all. EMS Sasuke is on KCM Naruto's level, even if historically speaking the vast majority of internet forums reached a consensus that KCM Naruto is stronger than Sasuke by a considerable margin - still, it's not my style necessarily to base my arguments on popular opinions, so even if I were to be inclined to accept that, there is no f-cking way EMS Sasuke is on BM Naruto's level, let alone BSM.

Just to remind you of some of BM's Naruto's feats
- deflected five Bijūdama in the split of a second with his bare hands
- manhandled all five bijū
- counter 5 combined Bijūdama on the fly
- destroyed Madara's wood dragon and crossed the battlefield in a split second to save Kakash
- dual wield FRS and a crap ton of other highly destructive jutsu like Bijūdama Rasengan

Most relatable to this scenario, Naruto did this to Madara's Susanoo.

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EMS Sasuke doesn't stand a chance against BM Naruto. Suggesting otherwise is pure fantasy.

 

[TrollKing]

You mistake your own inaccurate interpretation for author's intent, which I shouldn't have to tell you in reality differs with you. I'm usually open to discussing outside of feats parameters but you're not making a convincing case at all. EMS Sasuke is on KCM Naruto's level, even if historically speaking the vast majority of internet forums reached a consensus that KCM Naruto is stronger than Sasuke by a considerable margin - still, it's not my style necessarily to base my arguments on opinions, so even if I were to be inclined to accept that, there is no f-cking way EMS Sasuke is on BM Naruto's level, let alone BSM.

Just to remind you of some of BM's Naruto's feats
- deflected five Bijūdama in the split of a second with his bare hands
- manhandle all five bijū
- counter 5 combined Bijūdama on the fly
- destroy Madara's wood dragon and cross the battlefield in a split second to save Kakash
- dual wield FRS and a crap ton of other highly destructive jutsu like Bijūdama Rasengan

Most relatable to this scenario, Naruto did this to Madara's Susanoo.

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EMS Sasuke doesn't stand a chance against BM Naruto. Suggesting otherwise is pure fantasy.

As if that's a ko hit on a half ass susanoo, more like a fail sneak attack. Then bsm needed 8 more biju to finish the job and still failed

 

[SuperChief]

As if that's a ko hit on a half ass susanoo, more like a fail sneak attack. Then bsm needed 8 more biju to finish the job and still failed

Sasuke wasn't even close to Madara at that time. Naruto in BM would utterly destroy him. Accept the facts, son.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

These fapboys will never understand.

 

[TrollKing]

Sasuke wasn't even close to Madara at that time. Naruto in BM would utterly destroy him. Accept the facts, son.

That is just a legged susanoo. And naruto sneaked up on it, couldn't crush it. Needed 8 more biju, and still let madara escape? Your scan fails really bad

 

[Styles]

You mistake your own inaccurate interpretation for author's intent, which I shouldn't have to tell you in reality differs with yours. I'm usually open to discussing outside of feats parameters but you're not making a convincing case at all. EMS Sasuke is on KCM Naruto's level, even if historically speaking the vast majority of internet forums reached a consensus that KCM Naruto is stronger than Sasuke by a considerable margin - still, it's not my style necessarily to base my arguments on popular opinions, so even if I were to be inclined to accept that, there is no f-cking way EMS Sasuke is on BM Naruto's level, let alone BSM.

Just to remind you of some of BM's Naruto's feats
- deflected five Bijūdama in the split of a second with his bare hands
- manhandled all five bijū
- counter 5 combined Bijūdama on the fly
- destroyed Madara's wood dragon and crossed the battlefield in a split second to save Kakash
- dual wield FRS and a crap ton of other highly destructive jutsu like Bijūdama Rasengan

Most relatable to this scenario, Naruto did this to Madara's Susanoo.

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EMS Sasuke doesn't stand a chance against BM Naruto. Suggesting otherwise is pure fantasy.

You do know Madara had no eyes so who's to say his susano'o got weaker? also Naruto didn't do that alone he had 8 other tailed beasts to do the work to get 1 sneak attack in and even then it did nothing besides we all know what happened after that besides you mention Naruto's speed but Sasuke was tracking and keeping up with KCM/BM/BSM and Obito fine Naruto cant even hit Sasuke with taijutsu either TBB could work but it's also has prep time and it's to slow Sasuke can avoid it easily before it even gets near him