Naruto, Sasuke, and the Sage of Six Paths

[rikankhaos]

sigh

lmao d(^_^)d

 

[rikankhaos]

Get UR ****ing non-helpful negative pessimistic attitude ass out of here. I DON'T CARE ABOUT SIDES OR NARU FAN BOYS OR SASU FAN BOYS I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT THE MANGA AND WHERE IT GOING IN INTELLIGENT AND PLAUSIBLE TERMS AS IT HAS BEEN THUS FAR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SENJU CLAN24. F OFF.

Have u noticed that it is far from fetch your so called plausible thread? For begginers controlling a tailed beast through the use of a sharigan would require a genjutsu. On top of that since naruto is hosting the tailed beast there could be a disruption of the genjutsu. Now, now I know you are looking for some kind of proof to kill your theory. So i shall do so. If you go back if you even bothered actually reading the chapter or since the anime is out actually watched it, instead of drooling over fictional pixels. Oh, yeah I did state I did have proof, eh?

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Which shows that he needed to extract the tailed beast before controling it. Or why even wait and bother extracting if he could just control it from inside kushina's body. And as you are also aware that it shows that he had no clue that minato had his transportation jutsu embeded on kushina's seal. So no what you have stated is once again far from fetch. So stop talking from you behind bashing and actually read before even trying to pluck your 2 index fingers on the keyboard.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

If you go back if you even bothered actually reading the chapter or since the anime is out actually watched it, instead of drooling over fictional pixels.

Your third grade syntax is laughable. Anyway the "proof" simply states he came to use Kurama to crush the leaf it does not say he needed to extract it in order to control it. Again, simply, he came to "use it to crush the leaf." This could be accomplished by controlling the jinchuuriki and kurama together exceot for two things (AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS A PLAUSIBLE THEORY I DON'T THINK SO AT ALL, ALL I SAID WAS SASUKE HAD THE ABILITY TO CONTROL KURAMA - I do not think it is possible for any sharingan user to control a jinchuuriki and bijuu together because they are supposed to be able to dispel genjutsu but who knows) Perhaps he is not powerful enough to control both of their chakra at the same time. Kushina was pretty damn strong this is a possibility. Also perhaps he cannot undo the seal if he were controlling them both so why bother. All he needs and wants is Kurama to destroy the leaf and really his only available time to do so was when the seal and Kushina were considerably weakened otherwise the seal remains in tact and no Kurama. This happens during childbirth hence why he has to wait so long. I'm not sure what your point is really I mean, are you calling Sasuke a beginner with the sharingan? Because I think not. It remains unseen as to whether or not he can control Kurama but is it really far fetched to think so? "Blindness - so that is the price you pay for gaining control of the Kyuubi" - Chapter 385 page 15

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also the first sentence under Mangekyo Sharingan on narutowiki says it has the power to control the Nine-tails but I would not use this wiki as a source. The manga however is correct.

 

[rikankhaos]

U really did not read it correctly did you? Stop looking at the pixels. It stated the price of controlling the tailed beasts not in which form. The link on the post I provided for you was more dense than that silly comment he stated for the control of the beast. In order for him to control the 9 tails during that era he 1st had to extract it. And I do believe he made it pretty clear and why he waited for that particular time to extract it. If not again why would he bother waiting? Would it not be easier to just kidnap kushina use a genjutsy and just make her turn into the tailed beast? Seriously read it and stop being so narrow minded.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

Would it not be easier to just kidnap kushina use a genjutsy and just make her turn into the tailed beast?

Well no because genjutsu would not work on her. Right? That's the advantage of having a tailed beast. But back to the point, this guy Tobi is not Sasuke. Perhaps Kushina's chakra with Kurama was too much for Tobi to handle but we really don't know what it possible with Sasuke and his Eternal Mangekyo. So who knows what Sasuke can do. PLus tobi cannot undo the seal until it was as weakened as it was. All I am saying is with the "facts" that have been presented he ought to have the ability to control the Kyuubi but cannot do so when it is teamed up with Naruto.

+rep for your knowledge tho

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

I just realized when it comes to controlling Kurama... The only two Uchiha we have seen doing this, and thus powerful enough to do this, are Madara and Tobi - this really lends power to my theory that Tobi is Izuna, it would have been easy for "Madara's equal" to also control Kurama... But I am sure I am going to get flamed for this declaration.

 

[rikankhaos]

It is a factor that sasuke is quite powerful and we have yet to see his full potential. So we will have to sit and wait to see what kishi has under his sleeve. But with the state of mind that he is in at this time I believe if it continues hes going to be quite reckless and that will be his downfall. Naruto despite he acts 1st then thinks has always been the way he is. But once hes in the fight it is shown that he is smarter than what meets the eyes. I believe it will be quite the battle but neither will becomes so6p or that either will get any eye upgrades than what they have now. Just my thought.

 

[Father of Life]

Naruto is not the new Jubi jinchuriki an all of you are idiots sasuke can controll the nine tails.

 

[Father of Life]

I just realized when it comes to controlling Kurama... The only two Uchiha we have seen doing this, and thus powerful enough to do this, are Madara and Tobi - this really lends power to my theory that Tobi is Izuna, it would have been easy for "Madara's equal" to also control Kurama... But I am sure I am going to get flamed for this declaration.

I also think tobi is izuna kinda cos madara took his eyes and that's probably why he always collecting more... That's why he doesn't have his on mangky

 

[rikankhaos]

Naruto is not the new Jubi jinchuriki an all of you are idiots sasuke can controll the nine tails.

Again in part you are correct in part you tend to loose what is what. Naruto and the 9 tails are seperate beings within one body. Now do some homework. Check in which ways a genjutsu can be broken and see why that as long as the 9 is in naruto. Sasuke or any other uchiha would not be able to control him.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

neither will becomes so6p or that either will get any eye upgrades than what they have now. Just my thought.

Naruto is not the new Jubi jinchuriki an all of you are idiots sasuke can controll the nine tails.

These two statements really sum up this thread. I really hope what you say is going to happen, rikan, but I'd say the chances of one of them getting the Rinnegan is in the %90th. And I'm going to have to agree with you Life, but because of Sasuke's control ability I see it as necessary for Naruto to become the Juubi jinchuuriki.

 

[Ohhdang]

I just realized when it comes to controlling Kurama... The only two Uchiha we have seen doing this, and thus powerful enough to do this, are Madara and Tobi - this really lends power to my theory that Tobi is Izuna, it would have been easy for "Madara's equal" to also control Kurama... But I am sure I am going to get flamed for this declaration.

I don't care what eye the person has, they will not be able to control Kurama. First off, no one has ever thought, regardless of any shinobi in the history other than the so6p that Kurama could be anything other than an evil mass of hatred chakra. Secondly, Anyone who has ever controlled Kurama has been because either it was just an untamed beast in the wild or because its Jinchuuriki never understood Kurama and simply Kurama never wanted to cooperate with the Jinchuuriki. Naruto's incredible will has somewhat affected Kurama. Believe it or not, the Will Kurama has gotten from Naruto, and him wanting to be with Naruto more than anyone else in the series is proof he won't be controlled by anyone else. From what we understand about this manga is that Will is thee most powerful thing in the ninja world. Naruto has the greatest will other than the sage, if not more. How can any genjutsu or ninjutsu disrupt the will that Naruto has achieved?.. It's impossible. There is just no way a genjutsu can overcome a perfect, or near perfect jinchuuriki (Someone who knows how to control the power of a beast, and understands its power more than a foreign genjutsu, regardless of which eye it is.)

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

There is just no way a genjutsu can overcome a perfect, or near perfect jinchuuriki

I agree with this to some extent. The point of having a partnered tailed-beast is it can disrupt your chakra flow and snap you out of gentjutsu. This I agree with but being put under genjutsu has nothing to do with will. It controls the chakra flow in the brain and directly controls what you do. If your brain is fooled than your will is too imo. I highly doubt Kurama would have let itself just be controlled, he stated he hated Madara most of all, but obviously he had no choice because sharingan genjutsu affects the brain and that is that. Once you are caught in the genjutsu you have little (or no) choice. The fact that Kurama is teamed up with Naruto and they can disrupt each others chakra (and are ****ing strong combined) leads me to believe that Sasuke and sharingan genjutsu cannot control one or both of them while they are teamed up. Alone is a different story but I don't see that happening.