Naruto reunion after 3 years timeskip is also a ripoff, scans provided inside,

[Natsu Shazneel]

War Arc better? Seriously?

Yes better. Go look at the Buu saga and see how unconsistent it is.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

War Arc better? Seriously?

The War Arc wasn't that bad, it's just, overly nostalgic fans burrowed too far into their own asses.

 

[Legitimate]

its more then 3 tho ran out of space and continued on a different post reposted it since you probably didnt see

Sensui = aizen
former employees of the spirit world. Both went rouge after discovering something wrong with what they were protecting. They both escaped to the demon world with the thought that what they were protecting was no better than what they fought against. Both used the demons to attack their former employees. Both reached an ultimate power, manipulated the main character to advance and fight against in the end.

S class demons = vasto lorde's
the most powerful demons hidden deep within the demon realm.

Now for the icing on the cake

territory = full bring
regular humans with special abilities unique to themselves.

and not to mention they both have fathers that aren't human living there entire life thinking they both was completely human as result they both are half demon/Shinigami

OK, then it's still 6 because we're talking about YYH and Bleach:

Let me help you,

Fullbring = Territory

Aizen = Sensui

Hollow Class = Demon Class

Substitute Shinigami = Spiritual Detective

Rukia = Botan

Isshin = Raizen

Again, Naruto >>> Bleach in ripoff.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I absolutely hated DBZ villains. Okay, bit of an overstatement, while I liked Frieza and Cell, they didn't have any reason for what they did other than "for the evulz, LOLZ". None of them were complex or even comparable to villains like Obito and Pain.

Yup which is why Naruto has a edge over DBZ. Had that show been active today. I doubt anyone would consider it a good show. Other than mindless fights it has nothing to offer. I bet you, you would find more ass pulls in its story than Naruto.

People go off nostalgia a bit too much on this forum.

 

[Legitimate]

The War Arc wasn't that bad, it's just, overly nostalgic fans burrowed too far into their own asses.

Beginning of the War Arc = boring

1/2 Mid of the War Arc = Slightly Boring but interesting sometimes, I nearly stop reading Naruto, but when Madara shows up, I started reading again.

1/2 Mid of the War Arc = boring

Final War Arc = boring, repetitive

Yup which is why Naruto has a edge over DBZ. Had that show been active today. I doubt anyone would consider it a good show. Other than mindless fights it has nothing to offer. I bet you, you would find more ass pulls in its story than Naruto.

People go off nostoligia a bit too much on this forum.

Naruto has become like that in the 1/2 of Mid and Final War Arc.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Beginning of the War Arc = Boring

Mid of the War Arc = Slightly Boring but interesting sometimes, I nearly stop reading Naruto, but when Madara shows up, I started reading again.

Final War Arc = boring, repetetive




Naruto has become like that in the 1/2 of Mid and Final War Arc.

Its still not as bad as DBZ.

 

[Legitimate]

Its still not as bad as DBZ.

Part 1 Naruto (Zabusa and Chunnin Exam) >>> DBZ

1/4 of Part 2 ( Hidan and Kakuzu ruined it ) = DBZ

3/4 of Part 2 <<<<<<<<<<<<< DBZ

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Part 1 Naruto (Zabusa and Chunnin Exam) >>> DBZ

1/4 of Part 2 ( Hidan and Kakuzu ruined it ) = DBZ

3/4 of Part 2 <<<<< DBZ

If you judge the series as a whole Naruto is better. It's not fair to judge it off one bad war arc in my opinion. And don't even get me started on comparing Goku to Naruto.

 

[Huang]

Sighs, Bleach is a Ghost or Spirit Concepts, not a Samurai Concepts. That's it, again, you won't see 10 similarities between Samurai Movies and Bleach like pairing, almost same dialogues after timeskip, father with same situation in life, same pervert master etc.

Bleach isn't a sword fights, it's a Spiritual Fights like Shaman King and Yu Yu Hakusho, that's all. You won't see pairing and pervert masters in Bleach, Shaman King and Yu Yu Hakusho.

I get your point, dude. Don't worry. Chill. Relaaaax~~ (^__^) I agree with the similarities between pairings.
But mine wasn't about pairings, I just wanted to clarify that point.

Anyhoo, Bleach is most definitly influenced by Samurai movies.
If you don't believe me, I suggest you watch a few of ém, you'd be suprised.
The hierarchy of Bleach for exsample bares a lot of similairities to the Samurai culture, and several of the characters bare a striking resemblance of characters from old Samurai movies.
This isn't a new thing, a lot of manga series do this.

Same way Naruto took notes from Japan's native religion, DBZ, and history of ninja's,
& Dragonball with Superman, the book 'Journey to the West' and the martial arts culture, before it became a space opera.

 

[Legitimate]

If you judge the series as a whole Naruto is better. It's not fair to judge it off one bad war arc in my opinion. And don't even get me started on comparing Goku to Naruto.

Again, comparing Naruto to Goku doesn't ruin the series, what ruined the series for me is after seeing what Sasori can do, seriously? Hidan and Kakuzu? Akatsuki?

Obito as a human is way better than his Controlled Juubi Jin Form(Boring).

And Madara is just an instant repeat of Juubi Jin Obito, I mean, we know what a Juubi Jin can do, right?

Kishi should have stick their abilities to Hax and Tricks, not Nukes.

I can say the same that don't judge DBZ off a Bad Arc.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Again, comparing Naruto to Goku doesn't ruin the series, what ruined the series for me is after seeing what Sasori can do, seriously? Hidan and Kakuzu? Akatsuki?

Obito as a human is way better than his Controlled Juubi Jin Form(Boring).

And Madara is just an instant repeat of Juubi Jin Obito, I mean, we know what a Juubi Jin can do, right?

Kishi should have stick their abilities to Hax and Tricks, not Nukes.

I can say the same that don't judge DBZ off a Bad Arc.

It's not just judging off the one arc. It's judging off the series as a whole. Whole DBZ series is pretty inconsistent with it's story aspect of things.

 

[Legitimate]

Anyhoo, Bleach is most definitly influenced by Samurai movies.
If you don't believe me, I suggest you watch a few of ém, you'd be suprised.
The hierarchy of Bleach for exsample bares a lot of similairities to the Samurai culture, and several of the characters bare a striking resemblance of characters from old Samurai movies.
This isn't a new thing, a lot of manga series do this.

Nope, Bleach is heavily influenced by YYH and Saint Seiya.

Bleach Characters don't rely on skills but Spiritual Energy.

Rurouni Kenshin shares a lot of similarities with Samurai Culture.

And still, if I take this seriously, the similarities between Naruto to DragonBall and other fiction would take more than 20 while Bleach would not even reach more than 10.

It's not just judging off the one arc. It's judging off the series as a whole. Whole DBZ series is pretty inconsistent with it's story aspect of things.

It's inconsistent if you don't understand it.

Speaking of inconsistent, when did Hagoromo become a Juubi Jin? They Sealed Kaguya to the moon or they sealed Kaguya inside Hagoromo?

Empty Eye Socket Susanoo.

Obito's left arm is melting( it's his human arm).

What is the jutsu that Hashirama gave to Sasuke?

What is the jutsu that Minato is so proud of?

What is the purpose of Temari getting the Sage Tools if she can't use it?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Nope, Bleach is heavily influenced by YYH and Saint Seiya.

Bleach Characters don't rely on skills but Spiritual Energy.

Rurouni Kenshin shares a lot of similarities with Samurai Culture.

And still, if I take this seriously, the similarities between Naruto to DragonBall and other fiction would take more than 20 while Bleach would not even reach more than 10.



It's inconsistent if you don't understand it.

Speaking of inconsistent, when did Hagoromo become a Juubi Jin? They Sealed Kaguya to the moon or they sealed Kaguya inside Hagoromo?

Empty Eye Socket Susanoo.

Obito's left arm is melting( it's his human arm).

What is the jutsu that Hashirama gave to Sasuke?

What is the jutsu that Minato is so proud of?

What is the purpose of Temari getting the Sage Tools if she can't use it?

Let me help you with that.

Google is very helpful to me



List of inconsistencies with Dragon Ball Z

Saiyan Saga:


1.) In "The Arrival of Raditz", Raditz claims that Planet Vegeta was destroyed when a comet crashed into it three years prior. While the surviving Saiyans are under the impression that their home planet really was destroyed by a comet (except Vegeta, whose belief otherwise is shown in a flashback later in the series, although only in anime filler), it was later established that Planet Vegeta was actually destroyed 24 years prior to Raditz's arrival on Earth (the planet's destruction would soon be illustrated several times, and was often used to depict backstories for characters in Dragon Ball films), thus retconning the statement. Frieza also once stated that he destroyed Planet Vegeta 30 years prior to the battle on Planet Namek, though it is possible that Frieza used an approximation or that Saiyans and Frieza use different years than Earth.

2.) While training in the Pendulum Room, Tien Shinhan, Yamcha, and Krillin are told that they have gone to the Planet Vegeta 100 years prior in the FUNimation dub. This would be quite impossible, as the Saiyan-Tuffle war began only 40 years prior, and the planet would not have been called Vegeta yet, and the planet would not have been barren and without Tuffles.

3.) Contrary to what is stated in the original manga and Dragon Ball Z Kai where the Snake Way is stated to be 1,000,000 kilometers (about 625,000 miles) long, the Ocean and FUNimation dubbed version of the anime states that the Snake Way is 10,000 miles long. 10,000 miles long is inconsistent because Goku was able to swim half-way around the world, which is over 20,000 miles, in only one day to go to the 22nd World Martial Arts Tournament when he was 15.

4.) In the episode "Princess Snake", Goku has a nightmare where Nappa and Vegeta attack Chi-Chi and Gohan. However, at this point in the series, the only Saiyan he is familiar with besides himself is his brother, Raditz, and so he should not have any idea what Nappa and Vegeta look like.

5.) In "Reunions", it is revealed that Grandpa Gohan found Goku and his space pod somewhere in the woods (presumably somewhere within Mount Paozu). However, in "The End of Snake Way", Goku's space pod is mysteriously somewhere in the desert.

6.) When Goku uses the Kaio-ken in battle against Vegeta, the manga narration states that it doubles Goku's power. However, when Vegeta proves too strong, Goku uses a move he believes is more powerful, the Kaio-ken x2. According to the Daizenshuu, higher numbers multiply Goku's power by the number stated, meaning that Kaio-ken and Kaio-ken x2 should have the same result. The reason that Kaio-ken x2 was stronger is never resolved, and creates an inconsistency between the manga and the Daizenshuu.

 

[Legitimate]

Let me help you with that.

Google is very helpful to me



List of inconsistencies with Dragon Ball Z

Saiyan Saga:


1.) In "The Arrival of Raditz", Raditz claims that Planet Vegeta was destroyed when a comet crashed into it three years prior. While the surviving Saiyans are under the impression that their home planet really was destroyed by a comet (except Vegeta, whose belief otherwise is shown in a flashback later in the series, although only in anime filler), it was later established that Planet Vegeta was actually destroyed 24 years prior to Raditz's arrival on Earth (the planet's destruction would soon be illustrated several times, and was often used to depict backstories for characters in Dragon Ball films), thus retconning the statement. Frieza also once stated that he destroyed Planet Vegeta 30 years prior to the battle on Planet Namek, though it is possible that Frieza used an approximation or that Saiyans and Frieza use different years than Earth.

Sighs

Dragon Ball films = Non Canon

2.) While training in the Pendulum Room, Tien Shinhan, Yamcha, and Krillin are told that they have gone to the Planet Vegeta 100 years prior in the FUNimation dub. This would be quite impossible, as the Saiyan-Tuffle war began only 40 years prior, and the planet would not have been called Vegeta yet, and the planet would not have been barren and without Tuffles.

Sighs

Anime Filler = Non Canon

3.) Contrary to what is stated in the original manga and Dragon Ball Z Kai where the Snake Way is stated to be 1,000,000 kilometers (about 625,000 miles) long, the Ocean and FUNimation dubbed version of the anime states that the Snake Way is 10,000 miles long. 10,000 miles long is inconsistent because Goku was able to swim half-way around the world, which is over 20,000 miles, in only one day to go to the 22nd World Martial Arts Tournament when he was 15.

Ocean and FUNimation dubbed version of the anime = Not Official

No timeframe was given in the manga such as 1 day.

4.) In the episode "Princess Snake", Goku has a nightmare where Nappa and Vegeta attack Chi-Chi and Gohan. However, at this point in the series, the only Saiyan he is familiar with besides himself is his brother, Raditz, and so he should not have any idea what Nappa and Vegeta look like.

Sighs

Anime Filler = Non Canon

5.) In "Reunions", it is revealed that Grandpa Gohan found Goku and his space pod somewhere in the woods (presumably somewhere within Mount Paozu). However, in "The End of Snake Way", Goku's space pod is mysteriously somewhere in the desert.

Sighs

Anime Filler = Non Canon

6.) When Goku uses the Kaio-ken in battle against Vegeta, the manga narration states that it doubles Goku's power. However, when Vegeta proves too strong, Goku uses a move he believes is more powerful, the Kaio-ken x2. According to the Daizenshuu, higher numbers multiply Goku's power by the number stated, meaning that Kaio-ken and Kaio-ken x2 should have the same result. The reason that Kaio-ken x2 was stronger is never resolved, and creates an inconsistency between the manga and the Daizenshuu.

Kaiohken = Kaiohken x2

Goku is only saying the word Kaiohken x2 when is about to use Kaiohken x3. Re read the manga.

In some cases, if the databook contradicts the manga, Manga >> Databook

All of my arguments came from the manga unlike you who uses Google, Anime Filler and Movies.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Sighs

Dragon Ball films = Non Canon




Sighs

Anime Filler = Non Canon



Ocean and FUNimation dubbed version of the anime = Not Official

No timeframe was given in the manga such as 1 day.




Sighs

Anime Filler = Non Canon



Sighs

Anime Filler = Non Canon



Kaiohken = Kaiohken x2

Goku is only saying the word Kaiohken x2 when is about to use Kaiohken x3. Re read the manga.

In some cases, if the databook contradicts the manga, Manga >> Databook

All of my arguments came from the manga unlike you who uses Google, Anime Filler and Movies.

I never read DBZ manga. Never will either, since it would be boring to read the same story I have already seen. But hey you can have a different opinion than me no worries.

 

[Legitimate]

I never read DBZ manga. Never will either, since it would be boring to read the same story I have already seen. But hey you can have a different opinion than me no worries.

Seriously, those are anime fillers, not opinions. So you disliking the series is because of your lack of information or knowldge, yet you're so proud of that you can prove me wrong, seriously, I have been a fan of DragonBall and Yu Yu Hakusho since early 90s. And a fan of Naruto since 2002.

Difference between Manga DragonBall and Anime DragonBall Z:

Manga Frieza Arc = Action packed

Anime Frieza Acr = boring at the last part

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BTW, Naruto inconsistencies:

When did Hagoromo become a Juubi Jin? They Sealed Kaguya to the moon or they sealed Kaguya inside Hagoromo?

Empty Eye Socket Susanoo.

Obito's left arm is melting( it's his human arm).

What is the jutsu that Hashirama gave to Sasuke?

What is the jutsu that Minato is so proud of?

What is the purpose of Temari getting the Sage Tools if she can't use it?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Part 1 Naruto (Zabusa and Chunnin Exam) >>> DBZ

1/4 of Part 2 ( Hidan and Kakuzu ruined it ) = DBZ

3/4 of Part 2 <<<<<<<<<<<<< DBZ

Why do people act like the Zabuza and Chuunin Exam Arcs were so f*cking amazing? At that point, it was more or less just an average shonen. Nostalgia really does blind people.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Seriously, those are anime fillers, not opinions. So you disliking the series is because of your lack of information or knowldge, yet you're so proud of that you can prove me wrong, seriously, I have been a fan of DragonBall and Yu Yu Hakusho since early 90s. And a fan of Naruto since 2002.

Difference between Manga DragonBall and Anime DragonBall Z:

Manga Frieza Arc = Action packed

Anime Frieza Acr = boring at the last part

I was being lazy there.

But yeah like I stated, I never read the manga of dragonball. So you won't be able to pull a decent discussion with me on it. But you know I could play your game and ask questions of the stuff I never understood of the story. But that will have to be done another time.

 

[Legitimate]

Why do people act like the Zabuza and Chuunin Exam Arcs were so f*cking amazing? At that point, it was more or less just an average shonen. Nostalgia really does blind people.

People who appreciate Zabuza and Chuunin Exam Arcs are true die hard fans than some instant Naruto Fans who bandwagon because NarutoCharacters could slash and destroy mountains with energy attacks.

I was being lazy there.

But yeah like I stated, I never read the manga of dragonball. So you won't be able to pull a decent discussion with me on it. But you know I could play your game and ask questions of the stuff I never understood of the story. But that will have to be done another time.

Then, why did you start a debate like you knew DBZ inside out? When debating about inconsistency always use Manga not Animes and Movies.

Seriously, Naruto ANIME has more worst inconsistency than DragonBAllZ(Anime).

 

[Darth Uchiha]

People who appreciate Zabuza and Chuunin Exam Arcs are true die hard fans than some instant Naruto Fans because they could slash and destroy mountains with energy attacks.



Then, why did you start a debate like you knew DBZ inside out? When debating about inconsistency always use Manga not Animes and Movies.

Seriously, Naruto ANIME has more worst inconsistency than DragonBAllZ(Anime).

I became a fan around the Pain Arc because it was the start of complex villains and I realized the series was actually deep, it had nothing to do with power levels. And, again, exactly what made those arcs so special, other than nostalgia?