Naruto Pet-Peeves

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My pet peeves is how Kishi loved to nerf characters or take away powers.

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Why didn't Madara get to showcase any unique mangekyou techniques? Why was he only given susanoo?

Why were truth seeking balls permanently losable? If you ask me, Madara and Naruto should have been able to easily generate new truth seeking balls.

I seriously hate the whole RSM ambiguity regarding adult Naruto. Why the hell did Kishi have to either take it away from Naruto, change the design, or have Naruto just use​ Kurama chakara only RSM?! That seriously actually pisses me off!

RSM (the version we saw in the war) was epic! Throughout Naruto's whole life, all he mainly used was shadow clones and rasengan. RSM went and gave Naruto a little more versatility (due to the effects of what truth seeking balls​ can do and due to the effects of some of the bijuu​ KKG). Just when Naruto got a little versatility however, Kishi had to just go and take it away! Why?! Don't give me that "full Kurama makes up for it" BS! That doesn't actually grant Naruto any new techniques (whereas RSM did). That just gives Naruto more chakara, which is just about redundant since even with half Kurama, Naruto was already a chakara tank to begin with!

To add insult to injury, they don't even really tell us when/how Naruto lost RSM (if he's lost it), nor do they give any explanation as to why hokage Naruto doesn't use the RSM that we saw in the war (assuming he still has it)!

At least when Kakashi got DMS, that was clearly and verbally established as being temporary from the get go, and we also later clearly saw when Kakashi lost it and the chakara went back to Obito. With Naruto's RSM however, it just stopped appearing! No explanation! No prior establishment of it being temporary! Nothing like that!

To add even greater insult to injury, Sasuke still keeps his rinnegan and actually even gets stronger with it!

Why did you screw over Naruto Kishi​? Why?

Also, why couldn't Naruto have any versatility in the series? In fact, why could nobody but Uchihas be versatile?

Summary: Stop with​ the nerfing! I hate nerfing!

Madara'd be too OP, had he'd two Mangekyou sub powers.


Naruto's case....he isn't actually nerfed, the databook says he had truth seeking balls because of the tremendous amounts of chakra he held.


From all bijuu. He only had Kurama after VOTE.
 

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Madara'd be too OP, had he'd two Mangekyou sub powers.


Naruto's case....he isn't actually nerfed, the databook says he had truth seeking balls because of the tremendous amounts of chakra he held.


From all bijuu. He only had Kurama after VOTE.

What I'm saying is that Naruto should have kept all the bijuu chakaras instead of losing them (assuming that he lost them).

You are basically focusing on the wrong thing. We can argue whether or not Naruto was nerfed or if that was just the extent of his power until we are blue in the face.

The bottom line is, Kishi shouldn't have taken RSM away from Naruto to begin with. The bijuu chakaras should have remained and been able to replenish itself like chakara normally does. Either that, or the bijuu chakaras shouldn't have been necessary for RSM in the first place.


Also, no Madara would not be too OP. If Kishi just made the heroes stronger and didn't take crap away from people or make things temporary, then Madara's power wouldn't be a problem. He was nerfed too much to begin with.

He was given no unique mangekyou techniques.
He hardly used the rinnegan and used very few techniques of it.

He did almost nothing as the juubi jinchuuriki. He could have easily beaten Guy with limbo, bijuudama, genjutsu, mokuton, etc... Did he use any of that though? No! He just stood there and let Guy beat him up! He didn't even use the truth seeking balls​ as nearly as well as Obito. Those balls can explode like mini bijuu bombs you know. Did Madara ever make them explode though? No!
 

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How is Sasuke getting stronger with Rinnegan? He still didnt show anything but Amenotejikara and the reason why he is getting stronger because he is training.

Also, there are other ninjas that were versatile - Minato for example , Hiruzen, Orochimaru, Kakashi, and some others

Sasuke is getting stronger in the sense that he used the dimensional portal. Also he showcased shadow clone jutsu which should allow him to replicate Madara's feat of making susanoo clones.

Also, he has shown more than amenotejikara. He also has chibaku tensei, rinnegan genjutsu, absorption, etc...

You say that Sasuke trained. Well that is true, but Naruto should have trained and gotten stronger too. Hokage role aside, he should have at least had some clones train for him or something!

About Minato and all those others you mentioned: I was exaggerating a little when I said that only the Uchiha could be versatile. There are some versatile non-Uchiha characters like you said, but if you look at most shinobi, you will find that most shinobi in the series are just clones of their clan or their village with some light variation.

Look at the K11 for instance. Name a jutsu of Shikamaru's that isn't a shadow based jutsu. I can name one, and that was just that petty little Earth style wall that the whole alliance learned during the war.

Name a jutsu of Shino's that branches away from bugs.
Name a jutsu of Hinata's or Neji's that didn't have to do with gentle fist.
Name a jutsu of Kiba's that wasn't some variation of fang over fang (aside from making one shadow clone).
Name a jutsu of Ino's that is not mind body something (aside from that little hair trap that she used on Sakura​ in part 1).

Must I go on?

For crying out loud, the whole cloud village had laser circus!

Meanwhile​, all the main Uchihas have several techniques that cover a wide range of skills (and it's not even all because of their eyes).

Do you realize that even Sarada at this point has shown more versatility as an academy student than at least half of the K11 did as chunin/jonin?!!

It's ridiculous!
 

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a pet peeve of mine is when the bad guy will talk for hours and then get defeated LOL
 

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What I'm saying is that Naruto should have kept all the bijuu chakaras instead of losing them (assuming that he lost them).

You are basically focusing on the wrong thing. We can argue whether or not Naruto was nerfed or if that was just the extent of his power until we are blue in the face.

The bottom line is, Kishi shouldn't have taken RSM away from Naruto to begin with. The bijuu chakaras should have remained and been able to replenish itself like chakara normally does. Either that, or the bijuu chakaras shouldn't have been necessary for RSM in the first place.


Also, no Madara would not be too OP. If Kishi just made the heroes stronger and didn't take crap away from people or make things temporary, then Madara's power wouldn't be a problem. He was nerfed too much to begin with.

He was given no unique mangekyou techniques.
He hardly used the rinnegan and used very few techniques of it.

He did almost nothing as the juubi jinchuuriki. He could have easily beaten Guy with limbo, bijuudama, genjutsu, mokuton, etc... Did he use any of that though? No! He just stood there and let Guy beat him up! He didn't even use the truth seeking balls​ as nearly as well as Obito. Those balls can explode like mini bijuu bombs you know. Did Madara ever make them explode though? No!

@Bold: I don’t know about that, Kishi had to hype Madara up. Therefore he developed an Uchiha that doesn’t rely on genjutsu, doesn’t have any unique MS abilities (neither he nor his brother) and is a strategic genius. He used genjutsu three times in the series and two of those times he didn’t even need to do so; The other was to control Kurama. Now imagine if that same character had a unique MS ability and/or if Izuna had one. Now granted, his/their abilities wouldn’t have to be as OP as Obito’s but still; they’d be a lot more formidable than their current versions. If they (Madara and/or Izuna) had any MS abilities and utilized their genjutsu capabilities, that would also hype Hashirama and Tobirama up far beyond their current hype. I think everything is balanced as is.
 
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Sasuke is getting stronger in the sense that he used the dimensional portal. Also he showcased shadow clone jutsu which should allow him to replicate Madara's feat of making susanoo clones.

Also, he has shown more than amenotejikara. He also has chibaku tensei, rinnegan genjutsu, absorption, etc...

You say that Sasuke trained. Well that is true, but Naruto should have trained and gotten stronger too. Hokage role aside, he should have at least had some clones train for him or something!

About Minato and all those others you mentioned: I was exaggerating a little when I said that only the Uchiha could be versatile. There are some versatile non-Uchiha characters like you said, but if you look at most shinobi, you will find that most shinobi in the series are just clones of their clan or their village with some light variation.

Look at the K11 for instance. Name a jutsu of Shikamaru's that isn't a shadow based jutsu. I can name one, and that was just that petty little Earth style wall that the whole alliance learned during the war.

Name a jutsu of Shino's that branches away from bugs.
Name a jutsu of Hinata's or Neji's that didn't have to do with gentle fist.
Name a jutsu of Kiba's that wasn't some variation of fang over fang (aside from making one shadow clone).
Name a jutsu of Ino's that is not mind body something (aside from that little hair trap that she used on Sakura​ in part 1).

Must I go on?

For crying out loud, the whole cloud village had laser circus!

Meanwhile​, all the main Uchihas have several techniques that cover a wide range of skills (and it's not even all because of their eyes).

Do you realize that even Sarada at this point has shown more versatility as an academy student than at least half of the K11 did as chunin/jonin?!!

It's ridiculous!

I get the point.

Sasuke making shadowclones is not a big deal, since every shinobi know that technique and its boring and annoying. Other then that Sasuke having Amenotejikara and the other paths you mentioned every Rinnegan user had it. He should be displaying something other then that, he's Rinnegan is still the best in the series and still showed nothing from we have alrdy seen. Which is big nerf in my point of view.
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About Ninjas... well, most of them , the ones you mention have special abilities of their clan and specialized in only that jutsu.

Nara clan - have their own techniques such as shadow binding, so they pretty much use it.
Hyuuga clan - Hyuuga style and Hyuga techniques.
etc.

Uchiha clan - they never had any particulour jutsus other then Katon. So, it would be lame to keep the best clan only with Katon jutsus. They have sharingan and they were praised as the most skilled shinobi in NV and while at it... Itachi was the member who only used Katon jutsus ( not including sharingan techniques ) different from Sasuke

Sarada showed versatility, Boruto, Mitsuki, Metal Lee , Iwabe, Ino Jin - so she isnt the only one
 

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I get the point.

Sasuke making shadowclones is not a big deal, since every shinobi know that technique and its boring and annoying. Other then that Sasuke having Amenotejikara and the other paths you mentioned every Rinnegan user had it. He should be displaying something other then that, he's Rinnegan is still the best in the series and still showed nothing from we have alrdy seen. Which is big nerf in my point of view.
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About Ninjas... well, most of them , the ones you mention have special abilities of their clan and specialized in only that jutsu.

Nara clan - have their own techniques such as shadow binding, so they pretty much use it.
Hyuuga clan - Hyuuga style and Hyuga techniques.
etc.

Uchiha clan - they never had any particulour jutsus other then Katon. So, it would be lame to keep the best clan only with Katon jutsus. They have sharingan and they were praised as the most skilled shinobi in NV and while at it... Itachi was the member who only used Katon jutsus ( not including sharingan techniques ) different from Sasuke

Sarada showed versatility, Boruto, Mitsuki, Metal Lee , Iwabe, Ino Jin - so she isnt the only one

About Sasuke: The shadow clones may not be so exciting, but it is still something Sasuke hadn't shown before, and like I said, it would still allow for a susanoo clone army which is still very powerful. The portal also may not be an attacking oriented technique, but it is still something new.

What did Naruto get? I'll tell you what he got. Nothing!

About the shinobi:
You say that most of them come from special clans that only specialize in one type of jutsu. While that is true that is still no excuse for not branching out at all!

The Uchiha are specifically renowned for sharingan and katon. Yet they branch out. Itachi had fire style, water style, clones, and he could use genjutsu both with and without his eyes. Sasuke has katon, raiton, genjutsu, space time, 2 summoning animals, etc... Shisui was renowned for the body flicker. The list goes on and on and this doesn't even account for the external powers such as mokuton and the juubi that were granted to the big 3 Uchihas (Madara, Obito and Sasuke).

If the Uchiha can branch out and at least learn some elements or summons or something like that, then why can't the Hyuuga or the Nara or the Aburame​?
 

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Mine is how i didn't get to see Gaara until close to the war arc and how the Hyuga were relegated so badly to the sidelines. I would think for a clan portrayed as the antithesis (destruction, absorption) of chakra, they would be more involved. I mean other Hyuga characters were just shown using their eyes for tracking/searching or other not battle oriented stuff. Smh.
 

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What I'm saying is that Naruto should have kept all the bijuu chakaras instead of losing them (assuming that he lost them).

You are basically focusing on the wrong thing. We can argue whether or not Naruto was nerfed or if that was just the extent of his power until we are blue in the face.

The bottom line is, Kishi shouldn't have taken RSM away from Naruto to begin with. The bijuu chakaras should have remained and been able to replenish itself like chakara normally does. Either that, or the bijuu chakaras shouldn't have been necessary for RSM in the first place.


Also, no Madara would not be too OP. If Kishi just made the heroes stronger and didn't take crap away from people or make things temporary, then Madara's power wouldn't be a problem. He was nerfed too much to begin with.

He was given no unique mangekyou techniques.
He hardly used the rinnegan and used very few techniques of it.

He did almost nothing as the juubi jinchuuriki. He could have easily beaten Guy with limbo, bijuudama, genjutsu, mokuton, etc... Did he use any of that though? No! He just stood there and let Guy beat him up! He didn't even use the truth seeking balls​ as nearly as well as Obito. Those balls can explode like mini bijuu bombs you know. Did Madara ever make them explode though? No!

Genjutsu is definitely nerfed in almost all of shippuden because it's too OP.

Hell, itachi didn't use genjutsu on kabuto despite being known for using non-eye contact illusions as per Shukaku.

What I meant by the "madara'll be too OP" is, imagine him having amaterasu and tsukuyomi. It'll be devastating when used in succession with wood and perfect susanoo. Though, if he had something similar to blaze release, then he wouldn't be that OP so you've a point.


If you look closely in the panel where gai was twisting space, his gudodamas were getting distorted and teleported away from his proximity.

Limbo's movement capability was stopped by night guy through space manipulation, even madara couldn't moce at that time, how'll his clones then?

Rinnegan abilities are different for every user, Pains abilities are not classified Kekkei Genkai which proves it doesn't stem from the Rinnegan.

The only common ability is CT, ninjutsu absorption along with the traditional perks such as visualizing invisible substances, seeing eight gates chakra nodes, probably precognition(taking into fact Madara never used Sharingan EMS again for CQC fights after gaining Rinnegan) and strong chakra(as the ANBU black op beside Tsunade noted).

These are the traditional perks.


Indeed, cancelling the rules and stuff, if Kishi simply gave them what we thought are "Rinnegan powers" and "if tailed beast chakras refill like normal chakra", then they'd obviously be OP as hell.


But that'd mess with the story-line, it'd mess up the fact, the Bijuu are entities of thier own, they are not integrated into Naruto's body to refill as time passes,

Mental energy is gained through meditation, learning and other experiences, physical energy is fixed and is the cellular energy which exists in almost a trillion cells present in the NV human's bodies as per part 1 explanation.

The tailed beasts should train to earn mental energy to combine with physical to create chakra and if they don't thier chakra gets exhausted.
 

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Madara sama being hit by deus ex machina several times is my biggest pet peeve.
 
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