i have to aggre with this part (But anyways they grew up a lot after the death of their sensei's.)I think their pain is equal. Jiraiya was immature and a lousy father-figure but anyways naruto's first and only 'father'. From what I've perceived Shikaku is also pretty lousy father and he can be pretty rude to his son. The father-and-son relationship Shikamaru had with Asuma was much more healthy and warm than with Shikaku. But anyways they grew up a lot after the death of their sensei's.