He worked with His team against Bee.I already said that.You choose to ignore it.As i said he gave them orders from where to attack at the begining,and during the fight he told Karin to sense his location.
I already explained the Kages.Im not going to continoiusly type the same things.Either go back and read my post or ignore info like always.
When did he fight Kakashi? During the summit after he had fought like 10 other people the same day? Lol you're holding it against him for not coming up with a strategy there?
Naruto and Sasuke Vs Madara - i have gave you the chapter more than once.I have said 674 which you have ignored.I gave you the chapter.Maybe you're too lazy to read it yourself i have to spoon feed you the info.
If Sasuke used no strategy than how did he figure out how to use his new powers well enough to land multiple hits on Madara?
Who anaylzed Limbo and formed plans to counter it? 674 674 674.Once again Sasuke is going against Someone who is using a technique he has never seen before and he's figuring it out in battle and successfully countering it.
He did that against Deidera,Danzo,and Madara - those come to my mind first.
Now here is a scan from chapter 674 - Naruto and Sasuke Vs Madara.The same chapter i have pionted out which you ignore.
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Just like in the Danzo fight,Tobi pionted out Sasuke's performance,with him analyzing his opponents techniques and forming a plan to counter etc.Now here is Madara doing the same.
Do you not believe in Madara when he thinks about how Sasuke was strategizing against him in their battle? Is Madara wrong? Was he just spamming Susano'o and Amaterasu? And look what happens a few pages later.
Thanks to Sasuke Strategy,both Naruto and Sasuke land a hit - at the same time. Why did i have to even piont this out?
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Also did you notice Naruto say he's taking orders from Sasuke and nothing has changed?
Do you not believe in Naruto?
Lol don't take this debate seroiusly.I'm not even bothering to direct my post completely to the correct person.It was a combination of Gagster,Kotori,and you.
The Manda part was too Gagster,which you would know if you read our comments which i knew you didn't considering you thought Sasuke hasn't shown strategy during times when he did.
Anyway.I'm tired.I had more energy earlier and He couldn't even come up with a proper response,and still can't.
He hypes Naruto but mentions no pionts that supports him,instead he nitpicks at Sasukes battles.
Namecalling now.Don't get so rustled over me countering Your ONE piont.You biasly go against everything Sasuke.Whereas i like Naruto and Sasuke.I'm on Sasuke's side here because thats the correct side to be on.
Did you know that people can like both Naruto and Sasuke? If you're going to name call and bring in one weak piont and act like Naruto is better because of that then your a waste of my time right now.I could be sleeping.
Naruto fooling BZ deosn't overcome everything Sasuke did.BZ isn't even a battle type.Yet you want to put Naruto above Sasuke cause he fooled him? If this was one piont along with many then i would awknowledge it more but that is your only piont.
Okay, I was not supporting all his post. Again we are not saying Sasuke haven't shown any smarts. Yes he has shown smarts in the battles you talked about and he has lacked the smarts as well in the battles Gangs posted as well.
I did not talk about Manda, so I had to ask why you added it in your reply to me.
Okay then just forget about Gang and look at my posts rather. I have made points and arguments supporting my claims of Naruto being equal or greater than Sasuke in terms of battle smarts.
^ rustled lol? You're the one who came crying at me trying to downgrade Naruto saying it's not a feat.
You can say as much as you want you like Naruto but your bias shows otherwise.
I can also say I like characters I don't really like. That doesn't change anything.
Your whole straw grasping point of discussion is downgrading Naruto just because
you don't like his feat and don't want to give him credit.
Find something better to straw grasp besides just showing your fazed denial.
I'm done with your biased non half assed arguments.
What are you even saying.Why do you guys insist in saying stuff and not explaining.I can't read your mind,especially over the internet.Now in what case have i been wrong in?
Naruto the guy he was hyping up was taking orders from Sasuke in the Madara battle and Naruto himself literally commented on how he was taking orders from Sasuke.Sasuke shows obvoius strategy + Madara himself comments about how Sasuke is forming plans yet gag continously says Sasuke showed no strategy,all he did was spam Susano'o and Amaterasu.
It's clear - Gagster you're an idoit.Hype Naruto yet give absultely no strategies of Naruto's,and deny facts for Sasuke.Yeah,i know you're gonna come back and read this.
^ rustled lol? You're the one who came crying at me trying to downgrade Naruto saying it's not a feat.
You can say as much as you want you like Naruto but your bias shows otherwise.
I can also say I like characters I don't really like. That doesn't change anything.
Your whole straw grasping point of discussion is downgrading Naruto just because
you don't like his feat and don't want to give him credit.
Find something better to straw grasp besides just showing your fazed denial.
I'm done with your biased non half assed arguments.
I was simplg saying you mentioning that ONE thing isn't enough to put Naruto above Sasuke.How can you say i don't like Naruto? Cause i'm supporting Sasuke here and not Naruto?
Go back to the first page and you will see that i even explained one of Naruto's best strategies even though i think Sasuke is a better strategist
You didn't go intk depth about Naruto like i did.You mention one piont and act like that's above all Sasuke did.
Your one piont against my many,and yet you call me half assed.You didn't even get close to half anything.My one piont about Naruto's intelligent stratgies beats yours.
You have no debate so you go for trolling and imagining that im mad.
Naruto the guy he was hyping up was taking orders from Sasuke in the Madara battle and literally commented on how he was taking orders from him.Sasuke shows obvoius strategy + Madara himself comments about how Sasuke is forming plans yet gag continously says Sasuke should no strategy,all he did was spam Susano'o and Amaterasu.
He kept mentioning the Madara fight saying Sasuke had no strategy,and said he was only spamming Susano'o and Amaterasu.Go to his comment near the top of the page.He said it in bold.
Yes,i have even admitted to him that i was wrong in our debate last week Yet he never deos.He just runs away/post troll responses. Infact im pretty sure everyone knows him for post most one liner comments.
He's practically fodder when it comes to debates.I just wanted him to see that he was wrong - ofcourse he didn't,just kept denying everything.Things were getting settled then rienforcements start coming in hence you.
Now do you have anything worthy to say? Or shall i go to sleep now?
He kept mentioning the Madara fight saying Sasuke had no strategy,and said he was only spamming Susano'o and Amaterasu.Go to his comment near the top of the page.He said it in bold.
You didn't bring up any points and just tried to make mine look foolish. Tell me more how Manda wasn't Sasuke's summoning, how else would he summon it? And then you bring up the Danzo fight, where Sasuke barely won,only due to Danzo's own overconfidence.
Is that your only two examples of Sasuke using any strategy?
Compared to the amount of actual fights Sasuke has been in it's lacking.
The Kages,Kaguya,Madara, Killer Bee and his fight with Itachi show how terrible of a tactician he is.
With Itachi, he had made plans to use Kirin by using the heat from Itachi's Amaterasu, fireballs, and his own fire jutsu to heat up the atmosphere and conjure up storm clouds, he also used an Orochimaru style substitution to catch Itachi off guard for a surprise attack.
With killer bee, there was no way Sasuke was going to win that fight no matter what kind of strategy he had. He came into the fight still weakened from his fight with Itachi, he lost his curse mark power that he trained extensively with, and he was a newbie with the MS, as well as facing off against a perfect jinchuriki and heavily experienced combatant with an unpredictable fighting style. Due to this unpredictable fighting style and Sasuke's arsenal, it would prove extremely difficult to even conceive of a strategy to face him, much less put it in motion.
The kages, he only truly wanted to fight Danzo, and even in that fight, he used strategy despite being blinded by rage.
He used genjutsu on Danzo throughout the battle and forced him to spam Izanagi and then the genjutsu came into play... he made Danzo believe he had one Izanagi left so that he would run in recklessly and in the end get wrecked and shocked to find out that his technique failed. Proving that strategy overcomes all.
With Madara, lel gee came up with the strategy of Naruto taking on the limbo clones while he takes on the actual Madara because Naruto is more suited for sealing an enemy. Then he also had Naruto strike at himself and swapped Madara with the empty space between them so that they would hit Madara.Then he caused Madara to run away for dear mercy only to be neg diff bisected.
Kaguya... now that one how was Sasuke supposed to deal with Kaguya if early on in the fight he was separated from the fight, and he himself cannot fly, nor possesses an arsenal that could keep up with Kaguya especially since she can fly.
Naruto is way more adaptable, and a real quick thinker. His ability to come up with a strategy on the spot and his unpredictability makes it difficult to counter him. On the other hand, sasuke is extremely analytical, observant and intelligent. He can accurately and efficiently counter most jutsus. Might sound strange, but naruto takes this for me, because sasuke, in my opinion, might not always have the time to devise a strategy, which naruto can come up with instantaneously.
I already showed you battles where he didn't use any strategies. The MAJORITY of his battles all since he got Susanoo has had no stratgey, but your still bringing up the Dedeira and Danzo battle, where in one he didn't have Susanoo.
Ill say it again in case you missed it the first 3 times.
The Kages, Killer Bee, Kakashi, and Madara fights. All battles were Sasuke used no plans/strategies and just used amaterasu and susanoo.
What strategy did he come up with in the Madara battle? You keep saying he did but he didn't. Do you even know what a plan is?
The first part of your post is nothing but bull-shit. The manga disagrees with you in this regard on all fronts.
What about the Kage fight? Did you know how that even started? Yet, he still fooled Chee and still cleverly left them under debri, despite all kages never took him alone. What Kakashi fight? Did he require a strategy for it? What about Madara? Oh wait, the strategy he made in the shortest time possible that stunned even Madara.
Interesting point bro but there is just something that's nagging me. I can't seem to imagine Kakashi failing to replicate Sasuke's strategy feats in all of Sasuke's fights. I mean, can you? something that Sasuke did that Kakashi wouldn't have figured out?
Kakashi kinda have analytical skills on par with the best in narutoverse. He can decypher almost anything..
That is your assumption then,, since Kakashi hasn't replicated the quick strategies Sasuke came up with even as a kid through out the manga. He isn't doing anything now.
No, they aren't. Nothing but fanboys ramblings. Yet, people fail to see that Sasuke has been literally constantly praised by even the likes of Kakashi.
The first part of your post is nothing but bull-shit. The manga disagrees with you in this regard on all fronts.
What about the Kage fight? Did you know how that even started? Yet, he still fooled Chee and still cleverly left them under debri, despite all kages never took him alone. What Kakashi fight? Did he require a strategy for it? What about Madara? Oh wait, the strategy he made in the shortest time possible that stunned even Madara.
Nothing but a pile of garbage.
That is your assumption then,, since Kakashi hasn't replicated the quick strategies Sasuke came up with even as a kid through out the manga. He isn't doing anything now.
No, they aren't. Nothing but fanboys ramblings. Yet, people fail to see that Sasuke has been literally constantly praised by even the likes of Kakashi.
Well, to be fair Kakashi has also been praised by the the likes of Itachi, Hagomoro etc ...Kakashi n Sasuke are kinda similar in their battle styles and I consider them both very good strategists. It's just kinda hard to imagine anything Sasuke, Itachi, or Minato can figure out that Kakashi can't. Throughout the manga, kishi has portrayed him as a tactical genius who always improvises and makes the best use of his limited resources.
Well, to be fair Kakashi has also been praised by the the likes of Itachi, Hagomoro etc ...Kakashi n Sasuke are kinda similar in their battle styles and I consider them both very good strategists. It's just kinda hard to imagine anything Sasuke, Itachi, or Minato can figure out that Kakashi can't. Throughout the manga, kishi has portrayed him as a tactical genius who always improvises and makes the best use of his limited resources.
Itachi is quite humble. He talks politely with just about everyone. He was also quite surprised how much Sasuke had grown. Hogoromo's praise was quite metaphorical, given that beating Kaguya was hardly a strategy, when the thing pulling her strings was stabbed hundred feet below them on the ground. Without BZ, Kaguya is nothing. I can imagine her having a spat out chewing gum stuck in her head instead of a brain. I have never come across a more dumb villain.
But that aside, someone like Orochimaru has praised Sasuke for his intellect. This guy is the smartest individual in the entire manga. Madara is also quite smart and had spent his life fighting many opponents, yet he was very impressed with Sasuke.
Here is where you are slightly mistaken, Kakashi almost always has had people at his disposal for strategies. More people means more resources for creating diversions. Sasuke and Itachi have had limited resources, as they usually form strategies concerning themselves, especially Sasuke. So who would be smarter? Someone who ahs less people backing him up or no ninjas, or someone who has more options?
Then we have the Forest of Death incident when Sasuke - he was only 12 then - fooled Orochimaru and lured him into a trap, when he was backed by no one. I am not saying Kakashi is a fool, as that would be rubbish. I am just saying Sasuke is better. People on NB just like to hammer down Sasuke for no reason and praise Kakashi to high heaven. Sure, he deserves the praise, but saying that Sasuke is stupid by comparison is bull shit, man. I am sure even you would agree.
And Minato? I have yet to see this guy back up the so-called genius moniker thrown his way. He just seem lack-luster - by a mile - compared to Itachi, Sasuke, and Kakashi.
Itachi is quite humble. He talks politely with just about everyone. He was also quite surprised how much Sasuke had grown. Hogoromo's praise was quite metaphorical, given that beating Kaguya was hardly a strategy, when the thing pulling her strings was stabbed hundred feet below them on the ground. Without BZ, Kaguya is nothing. I can imagine her having a spat out chewing gum stuck in her head instead of a brain. I have never come across a more dumb villain.
But that aside, someone like Orochimaru has praised Sasuke for his intellect. This guy is the smartest individual in the entire manga. Madara is also quite smart and had spent his life fighting many opponents, yet he was very impressed with Sasuke.
Here is where you are slightly mistaken, Kakashi almost always has had people at his disposal for strategies. More people means more resources for creating diversions. Sasuke and Itachi have had limited resources, as they usually form strategies concerning themselves, especially Sasuke. So who would be smarter? Someone who ahs less people backing him up or no ninjas, or someone who has more options?
Then we have the Forest of Death incident when Sasuke - he was only 12 then - fooled Orochimaru and lured him into a trap, when he was backed by no one. I am not saying Kakashi is a fool, as that would be rubbish. I am just saying Sasuke is better. People on NB just like to hammer down Sasuke for no reason and praise Kakashi to high heaven. Sure, he deserves the praise, but saying that Sasuke is stupid by comparison is bull shit, man. I am sure even you would agree.
And Minato? I have yet to see this guy back up the so-called genius moniker thrown his way. He just seem lack-luster - by a mile - compared to Itachi, Sasuke, and Kakashi.
Haha, Kaguya seems really dumb though I agree. But sometimes, in the face of overwhelming power, every other thing is secondary. She was so powerful to the point that even her glaring dumbness wasn't much of a minus. I just think Kakashi being able to tactically manage Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura to defeat her was quite a feat considering they were having a tough time earlier
I agree with your point that some people underate Sasuke's intellect a lot here to be honest. Sasuke is awesome in so many ways n only the daft and ignorant will argue with that. To me, his intellect is on par with the very best in the manga
I simply view Kakashi as a non-uchiha Sasuke or Itachi with less chakra and less power.
And Minato, well...it's Kishi's fault for not showcasing his genius enough..we really needed to see more from him tbh.
Haha, Kaguya seems really dumb though I agree. But sometimes, in the face of overwhelming power, every other thing is secondary. She was so powerful to the point that even her glaring dumbness wasn't much of a minus. I just think Kakashi being able to tactically manage Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura to defeat her was quite a feat considering they were having a tough time earlier
I agree with your point that some people underate Sasuke's intellect a lot here to be honest. Sasuke is awesome in so many ways n only the daft and ignorant will argue with that. To me, his intellect is on par with the very best in the manga
I simply view Kakashi as a non-uchiha Sasuke or Itachi with less chakra and less power.
And Minato, well...it's Kishi's fault for not showcasing his genius enough..we really needed to see more from him tbh.
You know, this base is thronged by a bunch of whiny clowns. You can search how many threads were made that Kaguya is aggregate of universal stupidity. Yet when Kakashi devised a strategy - Wow, look at what Kakashi did. He is the smartest guy in the universe. What does common sense tell you? My problem with the whole thing is double standards.
Well Sasuke was separated. Notice in the scan when she first grabbed Sasuke; Naruto had no idea what was going on. Had it been Naruto, he would have been thrown out. At that time, BZ was directing her every move. When Kakashi took charge BZ was pinned down. Sasuke made no strategy against Kaguya. When he thought of making one, BZ got them separated. When he got back, he let Naruto take charge. People forget this crucial point as well. Then we had the whole team 7 dynamic going on. Remember how Kakashi once said that he 'didn't like them', now the whole point was that he did.
Yeah, I get your point about Kakashi's reserves. I still always praise the guy on his chakra control. One of the best in the manga, no doubt. Glad to hear that you agree Sasuke is downgraded here. It's pretty hilarious if you consider my first paragraph and the history of 'Kaguya is dumb' threads. Kishi did a lot of horrible things with the manga. Lol Minato was just the tip of the iceberg for me.
