Naruto only won fights when he depended on self

[StairwayToSasuke]

And if he spent more time developing self, he would have been a better Shinobi than Sasuke. This is why fans are lashing back at him now because they have realize that Naruto and Sasuke only had tension because of the same reason Naruto and everyone else had tension: He refused to open his eyes to other ideals.

Kishimoto set it up in such a way that Naruto spent all his time trying to force his ideas on others that it would have to back fire at somepoint. Rock lee took a loss when the guy who put in the least work was stronger than him by the end of part 1 and not only that Naruto literally forced himself into the position of Hokage and I don't think it was unconsciously done. How can you say you want to be hokage with such passion yet have ZERO passion in the developing yourself in the things required of a Hokage but yet still you became hokage because you used the power of the people around you to get your point across to the world.

Not once did Naruto take a fight on his own because he had to, it was always because he had to get his point across.

 

[Tonybeeth]

I don't really get this so....

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[Insomniac Fueled Suicide]

And if he spent more time developing self, he would have been a better Shinobi than Sasuke. This is why fans are lashing back at him now because they have realize that Naruto and Sasuke only had tension because of the same reason Naruto and everyone else had tension: He refused to open his eyes to other ideals.

Kishimoto set it up in such a way that Naruto spent all his time trying to force his ideas on others that it would have to back fire at somepoint. Rock lee took a loss when the guy who put in the least work was stronger than him by the end of part 1 and not only that Naruto literally forced himself into the position of Hokage and I don't think it was unconsciously done. How can you say you want to be hokage with such passion yet have ZERO passion in the developing yourself in the things required of a Hokage but yet still you became hokage because you used the power of the people around you to get your point across to the world.

Not once did Naruto take a fight on his own because he had to, it was always because he had to get his point across.

Word this better.

 

[StairwayToSasuke]

Word this better.

Ok. Trying to cover it up saying that "I understand your pain, now embrace my ideas" Mofo, how tf can you understand everyone's pain? gtfo. He was a fake hokage that's why he needed external help to be hokage and he lost the village because the only time he would have realized that being selfish would be his downfall is just before death. Hashirama was naive but did what was best for the village, not what he thought was best to heal the situation.

 

[SenseiSama]

Sasuke Negs ALL

 

[The Demon Hawk]

I'll come to this thread later. I want to first see what people have to say about it. Very interesting topic though.

 

[Haloguy2710]

You might have a good point, but for now I don't really understand what you mean.

 

[Insomniac Fueled Suicide]

Ok. Trying to cover it up saying that "I understand your pain, now embrace my ideas" Mofo, how tf can you understand everyone's pain? gtfo. He was a fake hokage that's why he needed external help to be hokage and he lost the village because the only time he would have realized that being selfish would be his downfall is just before death. Hashirama was naive but did what was best for the village, not what he thought was best to heal the situation.

So in short you're character bashing....
:wesobi: I see. I don't feel like countering what you said so I'll let it be but you have a terrible avatar. Who drew that?

 

[Yatori]

You might have a good point, but for now I don't really understand what you mean.

Same here _@: