Naruto never asked to be the Child of Prophecy!

[EliteRamenNinja]

I discussed this in another thread. Naruto simply wants to fulfill a role his dad and jiraiya died believing in. If he decides to say "screw it" then he is quite the jackass.

The same way if Sasuke decides that everything is perfect and daisies and decides to walk back to Konoha after all this, he looks like an ass. They're just fulfilling roles they feel they need to fulfill to give their lives meaning.

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Perfectly said!

 

[paratise]

Naruto is saving everyone even before the Prophecy thing came... xD

It's who he is, he a boss, son.

Damn aren't you a fanboy?
The thing "the child of prophecy" ruins is not his character; it ruins what his character represents; they are different things.
He had God complex for a longer period time; but that thing came out to surface more when "child of prophecy" bullcrap came out unrelatedly.

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

Damn aren't you a fanboy?
The thing "the child of prophecy" ruins is not his character; it ruins what his character represents; they are different things.
He had God complex for a longer period time; but that thing came out to surface more when "child of prophecy" bullcrap came out unrelatedly.

He is still the same. He is still the one who trained hardcore, who never gives up, who keeps fighting and trying to rescue his friends.

The Prophecy stuff is like a name now, it didn't change him a bit!

 

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He is still the same. He is still the one who trained hardcore, who never gives up, who keeps fighting and trying to rescue his friends.

The Prophecy stuff is like a name now, it didn't change him a bit!

THat's why prophecy is an unnecessary bullcrap, it is not effecting his character but it is still there annoyingly.
He ain't the one who trained "hardcore" mate; do you know what a training is? It is working litterally non-stop as an aspect in life; Naruto does some work for a little amount of time when he is about get a power-up; that's all.

 

[Cosman]

Damn aren't you a fanboy?
The thing "the child of prophecy" ruins is not his character; it ruins what his character represents; they are different things.
He had God complex for a longer period time; but that thing came out to surface more when "child of prophecy" bullcrap came out unrelatedly.

Shonen heroes are always put into this god complex-like scenario where they must defend the world against true evil. It's literally the only way to bring any kind of real danger and threat for the climax of a series.

Anything else and we have this anti-climactic issue. I'll admit, the entire prophecy thing is rather bizarre. And it really only negatively affects the series as a whole, but I think we need to be patient and see where Kishi takes this. There seems to be quite a few things that need answers, especially that toad sage who can for some reason predict the future. Sketchy.

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

He ain't the one who trained "hardcore" mate; do you know what a training is? It is working litterally non-stop as an aspect in life; Naruto does some work for a little amount of time when he is about get a power-up; that's all.

Oh no, now I remember you. F*ck...

Saying Naruto didn't train hard... Just leave the forum, please.

Naruto and Lee are THE examples of hard trainers. With ONE difference: Lee had a trainer/comrade ALL the time, Naruto had no one for 13 years to teach him anything.

 

[Sot viing hun]

He is still the same. He is still the one who trained hardcore, who never gives up, who keeps fighting and trying to rescue his friends.

The Prophecy stuff is like a name now, it didn't change him a bit!

Naruto believes he is the Savior because his father believed he was the one and entrusted him with the task, so the prophecy is more than just a name, he really considers himself as a messianic figure.

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Damn aren't you a fanboy?
The thing "the child of prophecy" ruins is not his character; it ruins what his character represents; they are different things.
He had God complex for a longer period time; but that thing came out to surface more when "child of prophecy" bullcrap came out unrelatedly.

i just never understood what did you mean by god complex.

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

Naruto believes he is the Savior because his father believed he was the one and entrusted him with the task, so the prophecy is more than just a name, he really considers himself as a messianic figure.

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No. Just no. You don't understand it.

Naruto is just saying he believes in his parents and his mentor, Jiraiya. He believes he can do it! Wich is cool... No problems with that.

 

[Sot viing hun]

No. Just no. You don't understand it.

Naruto is just saying he believes in his parents and his mentor, Jiraiya. He believes he can do it! Wich is cool... No problems with that.

I'm not dissing Naruto for accepting it and believing in himself, I'm dissing the prophecy, he has been forced to shoulder a task like that, and I really dislike that.

 

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Naruto believes he is the Savior because his father believed he was the one and entrusted him with the task, so the prophecy is more than just a name, he really considers himself as a messianic figure.

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he believes that he has to do something instead of sitting and watching his friends being killed as they ordered him to.
and that's a normal reaction from anyone who feels casted aside despite knowing he can help.

 

[Cosman]

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Naruto believes he is the Savior because his father believed he was the one and entrusted him with the task, so the prophecy is more than just a name, he really considers himself as a messianic figure.

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This actually proves the point a little further. His dad made him a jinchuuriki on the whim that he may one day become this savior. Again, it's the series that takes a hit, not Naruto. He's just doing what he feels is best. Believing in them. If anything Minato and Jiraiya are ludicrous for encouraging this notion. Kishimoto made a few errors with the prophecy. One, he made it seem like it was completely absolute and couldn't be changed. Two, he decided to place the fate of the world around that prophecy. In the end, Naruto Uzumaki is just himself, and his character was always about acknowledgement and proving himself. Becoming the saviour of the ninja world (based on a prophecy or not) is not out of the ordinary for his character. The series as a whole is what gets slightly degraded by this.

It may be too early to tell, the toad sage might full of shit for all we know or he might have gotten this one prophecy wrong. Always a possibility ^^

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

Just read this.

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[Sot viing hun]

he believes that he has to do something instead of sitting and watching his friends being killed as they ordered him to.
and that's a normal reaction from anyone who feels casted aside despite knowing he can help.

I'm aware of that, I just wanted to make clear that the 'child of prophecy' title is not just a mere name like ERN said.

This actually proves the point a little further. His dad made him a jinchuuriki on the whim that he may one day become this savior. Again, it's the series that takes a hit, not Naruto. He's just doing what he feels is best. Believing in them. If anything Minato and Jiraiya are ludicrous for encouraging this notion. Kishimoto made a few errors with the prophecy. One, he made it seem like it was completely absolute and couldn't be changed. Two, he decided to place the fate of the world around that prophecy. In the end, Naruto Uzumaki is just himself, and his character was always about acknowledgement and proving himself. Becoming the saviour of the ninja world (based on a prophecy or not) is not out of the ordinary for his character. The series as a whole is what gets slightly degraded by this.

It may be too early to tell, the toad sage might full of shit for all we know or he might have gotten this one prophecy wrong. Always a possibility ^^

I agree completely with the bolded, and I know Naruto is always acting the way he is, but the prophecy undermines that part of his character and makes him look like a bland messianic figure that can't fail no matter what.

 

[paratise]

Oh no, now I remember you. F*ck...

Saying Naruto didn't train hard... Just leave the forum, please.

Naruto and Lee are THE examples of hard trainers. With ONE difference: Lee had a trainer/comrade ALL the time, Naruto had no one for 13 years to teach him anything.

Read the manga Gai became Lee's trainer when he first became a genin; before that; the situation was this, what ALL the time are you talking about:

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Naruto's "hardwork" is less than Lee's; it is quiet obvious, Naruto trained; but not as "hardcore" as him.
You remember me? Oh that's cute that was probably before you get banned.

 

[Sot viing hun]

Read the manga Gai became Lee's trainer when he first became a genin; before that; the situation was this, what ALL the time are you talking about:

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Naruto's "hardwork" is less than Lee's; it is quiet obvious, Naruto trained; but not as "hardcore" as him.
You remember me? Oh that's cute that was probably before you get banned.

The hardwork theme was dropped long time ago, that and Naruto is a descendant of the sage of six paths, that really destroyed it.

Lee really worked hard, probably more than any other character.

 

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The hardwork theme was dropped long time ago, that and Naruto is a descendant of the sage of six paths, that really destroyed it.

Lee really worked hard, probably more than any other character.

Yeah this is true; i actually liked the concept and value of hardwork; but it losing it encouragement in the series.

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

Naruto trained very hard too. He can't help it he is faster in learning things then Lee, or has more power...

Naruto trained like a crazy mothef*cker... With Iruka first, with Kakashi, with Jiraiya. The 'will to never give up' is what everyone is saying about him, Naruto!

"But that's just for power-ups" Caterpillar says... Yes of course, what else you train for? You train to become stronger! Tjeech.

 

[Cosman]

About the hardwork thing...

Kishi dropped the concept a while back. It sucks but way too many people complained about training sessions. The rasengan training session spanned an arc, the frs session spanned over twenty chapters or so and the sage mode training spanned ten chapters at best. They were getting smaller because the japanese fanbase seems to enjoy powerups. Only reason a series like fairy tail can do so well.

And most of Naruto's powerups were foreshadowed. Especially the fox. So I can't blame him for that either. I will say Naruto using clones to get his way around things is clever. On kishi's part that is. At least he kind of trains, compared to the other wsj heroes that's actually very impressive.

 

[Almighty Ra]

I agree it's not like Jesus asked to be the son of god..It is what it is..Naruto is still the same old numbskull Naruto..he's not cocky about being one of the strongest Jin or the son of the 4th Hokage.