[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

[braaat]

It was NOT a mistake.

Madara said both can't leave that place with their current bodys, that means Obito could not leave in the state he was in, now pay attention to page 15, the Zetsu on the right looks more like a Zetsu-Suit to me (there is a hole on the left arm side and probably also for the legs as well). Obito is using that Zetsu-Suit = Tobi.

That explains these things

His height:
- He was about the same height as Minato, pretty much adult size, Zetsus are adult size.

Loosing his arms: (LEFT is Obitos "human" side, RIGHT is the one that got pretty much replaced with "Hashirama's DNA").
- First arm injury: His LEFT arm dripped off when Minato hit him with a Rasengan, Zetsu Goo AND blood came out of that sleeve = Obitos left side = Human.
- Second arm inury: He ripped his RIGHT arm off after it got infected by Torune, that was just Zetsu Goo = Obitos right side = Hashirama DNA.
- Third arm injury: He lost his RIGHT arm against Konan, it was also just Zetsu Goo = Obitos right side = Hashirama DNA.

Why his Sharingan is activated all the time:
- His right side got replaced with Hashirama DNA thus his Sharingan can't be deactivated hence it's not an Uchiha body on that side where his Sharingan is.

There you go, simple and easy no overthinking needed.

Yeh that's right.
It was probably a Zetsu clone fighting Minato and a Zetsu clone which met Itachi. So it wasn't Tobi !

Look closely at the page, when Itachi met "Madara" in the forest. It couldn't be tobi.
Madara is way taller than Itachi was, but right now Tobi istn even higher than Kakashi is.
Kakashi is just a bit higher than Itachi.

 

[Uchiha Toli riram]

the eye that madara gave to nagato was madara's brother izuna

 

[Koha]

By his eyes Borrowed he means that they are his brothers eyes comon guys you do recall he was going blind you know.. and in my opinion he lost one of his eyes because he used izanagi to escape his near death experience from the 1st hokage.

He gave his real eyes to Nagato.... The Rinnegan.

Found a random Uchiha fodder & had his Sharingan. Fill in the blanks, dude.

 

[Koha]

I KNEW IT! His body is from HARASHIMA'S DNA. All though Zetsu theories were legit as well & I half believed them.

Madara was saying it was a miracle that Obito's body "slipped away" from the rubble, perhaps he did awaken MS to save the other half of his body and then escape that cavern.

DAYUMN Team Kakashi got lucky/unlucky? Obito just had to get buried in the one place where there was an old guy who does amputations underground...

When i first saw his other eye I was like "ok he used Izanagi to survive his battle with the 1st" and then he said that he gave his eyes to someone else.

Now, when Nagato was "attacked" he said that he didn't remember anything. Perhaps Madara knocked him out, killed the two leaf ninja and gave him some old/new eyes as a present? lol

So I suppose that Tobito was right in saying to Konan that "I gave him those eyes"

This also opens questions about the revival jitsu that the Rinnegan uses, could Madara use it before or was it something that the SO6P could use but Madara couldn't and so trusted Obito to tell Nagato about it... who knows.

And finally next chap we may see how Obito got twisted. At first I thought "genjitsu" but if Madara's dead that wouldn't work. So Madara either changed Obito's dogma himself or Obito went insane trapped with Herbert's cousin underground for an extended period of time.

5/5

Nah, he obviously got lucky.... As you can see Obito still had only a two-tomoe Sharingan.

 

[Koha]

Well this finally answered some questions but the answers were pretty obvious...

The explanation of "You survived by miracle" or something like that I still think it's not sufficient... Hope Kishi will properly explain HOW he survived being crushed by those rocks...
And if Madara couldn't move from that cave, how exactly did he give his eyes to Nagato?

Well Nagato is a decade or so older than Obito, so... He could've still been alive enough to travel to pass Nagato the Rinnegan. But yeah, I agree... It seems still too ridiculous to see how Obito survive. And I'd hate to see anyone be stupid enough to say that he unlocked the Mangekyou Sharingan when he OBVIOUSLY still has a two-tomoe Sharingan.

 

[Koha]

Chapter STILL doesn't explain how Obito controlled Yagura -________________________-


He was still only like 9 at the time. WAY before his "death".
But hopefully things will be explained further, but more than likely it'll be switched back to Sasuke and Orochimaru.

 

[metallica9565]

my question is who's Sharingan did Madara transplant as his own? from the way he was talking, he made it sound like he had plenty of others in stock

 

[Koha]

People shut up about Tobi being an adult when he fought minato.. kakashi and gai were also at 'adult height' at that time..
But a lot must have happened in those few years for obito to become like he acted when he fought minato.

It was the course of 1 year.... He was 13 when he was saved by Madara, and Naruto was born a year later, seeing as everyone now is 30 years old.
I still don't see how he had such a drastic change in voice and size in one year. The rest of the Narutoverse didn't grow at the rate at Obito did.

 

[SharRinnegan]

It was NOT a mistake.

Madara said both can't leave that place with their current bodys, that means Obito could not leave in the state he was in, now pay attention to page 15, the Zetsu on the right looks more like a Zetsu-Suit to me (there is a hole on the left arm side and probably also for the legs as well). Obito is using that Zetsu-Suit = Tobi.

That explains these things

His height:
- He was about the same height as Minato, pretty much adult size, Zetsus are adult size.

Loosing his arms: (LEFT is Obitos "human" side, RIGHT is the one that got pretty much replaced with "Hashirama's DNA").
- First arm injury: His LEFT arm dripped off when Minato hit him with a Rasengan, Zetsu Goo AND blood came out of that sleeve = Obitos left side = Human.
- Second arm inury: He ripped his RIGHT arm off after it got infected by Torune, that was just Zetsu Goo = Obitos right side = Hashirama DNA.
- Third arm injury: He lost his RIGHT arm against Konan, it was also just Zetsu Goo = Obitos right side = Hashirama DNA.

Why his Sharingan is activated all the time:
- His right side got replaced with Hashirama DNA thus his Sharingan can't be deactivated hence it's not an Uchiha body on that side where his Sharingan is.

There you go, simple and easy no overthinking needed.

While i can agree with you on most of the points but still itachi meeting with him and kisame meeting are years after kyyubi incident and itachi was not an adult when he killed his clan so obito dont have to use such means to communicate with either of them by that time he would be an grown up adult.
Your point of zetsu suit is applicable it can defines what i said earlier when minato hit him we saw both blood and white stuff.
But main point is how he become a pro in controlling kyyubi in one shot.Even if we consider the same thing like jiraya taught naruto summoning jutsu still it wont apply and kyyubi reaction to him and obito words to minato/kushina that how long he was waiting for it . it can only means two things either
He was still lying and want a match with his teacher or he was being controlled by madara

 

[KANGOLNY]

The Tobi that fought Minato may have been Obito. The Zetsu connected to him may have aged him faster than normal. We haven't seen any other zetsu-human hybrid characters to negate this theory. There are a few things that about the fight with Minato that either enforce this statement or disprove.

A) The chains and shackles on Tobi...maybe Obito refused to help Madara and he chained him up to prevent him leaving or the chains are apart of Madara's Frankenstein experiment to fully combine Obito with zetsu.

B) Tobi said "I win" when he was about to grab Minato...that is uncharacteristic of Madara's speech pattern and it sounded childish as if it were a game(similar to grabbing the dangling bells from Minato/Kekashi).

C) Tobi also said " I should have been faster" after getting hit with rasengan. This may be an indication that he was still early in his training...noob move. Tobi really didn't do much in the fight with Minato except become transparent and try to grab Minato.

- The Tobi that met with Itachi may have been a zetsu clone. Noone can tell the difference between a zetsu imitator and a normal shinobi except for Naruto who uses sage power to differentiate.

 

[jay2inc]

chap was ok, though not that amazing. it's given that madara would manipulate tobi. what i'm expecting now is how he ended up hooked up to the gedo (hashirama battle). that would really be a very nice flashback

 

[dawoodahmad]

I rated it as 1/5, worst chapter

 

[wonderer]

While i can agree with you on most of the points but still itachi meeting with him and kisame meeting are years after kyyubi incident and itachi was not an adult when he killed his clan so obito dont have to use such means to communicate with either of them by that time he would be an grown up adult.
Your point of zetsu suit is applicable it can defines what i said earlier when minato hit him we saw both blood and white stuff.
But main point is how he become a pro in controlling kyyubi in one shot.Even if we consider the same thing like jiraya taught naruto summoning jutsu still it wont apply and kyyubi reaction to him and obito words to minato/kushina that how long he was waiting for it . it can only means two things either
He was still lying and want a match with his teacher or he was being controlled by madara

Or like I said in my post Madara could've transfered his knowledge and experience to obito before he died. Allowing him to do things he would never be able to do. Can u imagine if u could go back in time and transfer all ur knowledge and experience to a 13 year old version of urself. By the time u grow up to the age u are now. Ull be on a whole other level. That's what I think happened to obito. Which explains to me how obito knows knowledge of the sage brothers. Elder/Younger. How he can control the 9tails. Use forbidden tech and even has the knowledge of those techs to begin with. Techs like the one he did to protect gedo statue. Be a sharingan pro within a short amount of time. Also I believe the fusion of having a body of both Denny and uchiha allows obito to use his sharingan to a whole other level. Like using a ms tech while still in 3 tome form.

 

[Raiden001]

Call me crazy, but i suspect Oro is taking Sasuke back to Konoha to talk to a Uzumaki clan member i just feel it would be the right choice if kishi was planning to fill us in on the Uzumaki past and tie things up with current events. I think this is logical since when you think about it Only the Uzumaki clan specialized in sealing techniques and all the people whom knew or could preform the Reaper seal are dead. Plus seeing that Edo madara seems to be invincible and a jinkuriki cannot preform the seal and oro has no arms, it makes sense for sasuke to meet someone from the Uzumaki clan to learn forbidden/secret sealing techniques.

(also i reckon it was madara who wiped out the uzumaki clan, fearing that it would throw a spanner in his plans)

Uzumaki clan have an extremely long life span just look at Mito Uzumaki (Firsts wife) alive before transfering the 9 tails into kushina

 

[wonderer]

Call me crazy, but i suspect Oro is taking Sasuke back to Konoha to talk to a Uzumaki clan member i just feel it would be the right choice if kishi was planning to fill us in on the Uzumaki past and tie things up with current events. I think this is logical since when you think about it Only the Uzumaki clan specialized in sealing techniques and all the people whom knew or could preform the Reaper seal are dead. Plus seeing that Edo madara seems to be invincible and a jinkuriki cannot preform the seal and oro has no arms, it makes sense for sasuke to meet someone from the Uzumaki clan to learn forbidden/secret sealing techniques.

(also i reckon it was madara who wiped out the uzumaki clan, fearing that it would throw a spanner in his plans)

Uzumaki clan have an extremely long life span just look at Mito Uzumaki (Firsts wife) alive before transfering the 9 tails into kushina[/QUOTE


Who knows who the person is that knows everything. But I honestly believe that the uzamaki story will be the last arc of. Naruto period. Right now I think it'll stay solely focused on the uchiha and some senju. It might be brought up on who was responsible for their annihalation. But what better way to end Naruto than to focus on his bloodline. He is the main character after all. Besides this whole arc was focused on sasukes heritage. Naruto deserves the same. But an uzamaki sealing tech can be the key to ending Edo madara. It'll be a nice transition to an uzamaki arc.

 

[kvonx]

Wait, this chapter gave me flashbacks. How come noone seems to link that Obito may actually see Rin die. Madara kept preaching that the world is horrible. Imaging where naruto would be if sasuke allowed sakura to die. Additionally, that gedo statue kinda reminded me of when nagato was fighting...a statue can and he as been linked to it ever since. (like madara).

 

[Mooneye creator]

at least we now know how he was able to use "Izanagi" on konan by madara revealing that he attached an artificial part of Hashirama to obito

 

[aperson]

I liked the chapter. Is Nagato the person Madara left his eyes to?

I still don't understand how Obito would be as old as he was when he was fighting against Minato.

 

[mamiferu]

I think Kishi is finally begining to use his new forbidden technique he's been working on for quite some time: the plot hole filling no jutsu.
Although this chapter wasn't the best there is , it answered some questions a lot of us had. We now know that Madara lived long by receiving chakra from that statue, and he indeed left his eyes to nagato. Also , obito received indeed some zetsu components (some hashirama dna)

PS : my first post so please have mercy...

 

[Omniscient]

It's obvious that madara most likely gave his current right eye to Obito before he died. I'm wondering if that was the same eye Obito sacrificed when he used inazagi to defeat konan