[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 600 Discussion and 601 Predictions
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I just noticed that there isn't a giant plot hole as far as Nagato/Pain and Kakashi/Obito's ages. They should be relatively the same age because look how old Jiraya was when he first met Nagato, Konan, and Yahiko. However as far as Madara meeting Obito is questionable but I know Kishi will patch that up. Furthermore, losing the love of your life is a legit reason to say f*** the world. Naruto is trying to save the world by stopping his best friend from destroying it. I think that most people just read the manga in order to complain. I LOVE NARUTO!!! I don't care if the plot drags or skips, it has always been a wonderful story. One that I admire most.
Rasen Shuriken 22
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First post here so I will give it a go...
I noticed a lot of people complaining about the reason why Obito started the war (death of Rin), but I think that is only the surface of the entire event. Madara clearly knows Obito, and I suspect that he did indeed save him that day under those rocks and used the Senju cells (much like Danzo did with his arm) to save Obito. Clearly, Obito is on an entirely different skill level then when he was with Kakashi, and it is starting to become clearer that Madara took him "under his wing" so to speak. During this time period, Rin died and Obito, being extremely angry and upset, allowed himself to join Madara fully. Madara used Obito's anguish to drive him into carrying out his plan, even after he died. Madara knew he would be dead long before the start of the 4th war, so he needed someone to continue his work and to bring him back with the Edo Tensei.
It was never Obito's war, he is in it purely for revenge for Rin, and that is the sole reason for him switching sides. This is most certainly Madara's war, a war he started literally from the grave with his only pupil pulling the strings until his revival.
I am certain I have extreme holes in this guess, but I feel as if that is what the Manga is leading to... eventually. All in all, a confusing chapter, but exciting at the end.
I noticed a lot of people complaining about the reason why Obito started the war (death of Rin), but I think that is only the surface of the entire event. Madara clearly knows Obito, and I suspect that he did indeed save him that day under those rocks and used the Senju cells (much like Danzo did with his arm) to save Obito. Clearly, Obito is on an entirely different skill level then when he was with Kakashi, and it is starting to become clearer that Madara took him "under his wing" so to speak. During this time period, Rin died and Obito, being extremely angry and upset, allowed himself to join Madara fully. Madara used Obito's anguish to drive him into carrying out his plan, even after he died. Madara knew he would be dead long before the start of the 4th war, so he needed someone to continue his work and to bring him back with the Edo Tensei.
It was never Obito's war, he is in it purely for revenge for Rin, and that is the sole reason for him switching sides. This is most certainly Madara's war, a war he started literally from the grave with his only pupil pulling the strings until his revival.
I am certain I have extreme holes in this guess, but I feel as if that is what the Manga is leading to... eventually. All in all, a confusing chapter, but exciting at the end.
SixPathsOfTobi
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Nagato meeting with jiraiya was in the 2nd world war..
Obito 'dying' was in the 3rd world war.
Also Kakashi is 30 years old.. jiraiya died at age 54
Nagato and Kakashi were born in September (Nagato 19th and Kakashi 15). Kakashi is 30 years old. I think they may be 2-3 years apart at the most. Kakashi was a Jonin at age 13 so Obito had to be not to far behind him. We know that Nagato's parents were killed during the 2nd Shinobi War and that Obito got crushed during the 3rd Shinobi war, when they were 13. We don't know how much time lapsed between the two wars.
i think naruto is goin 2 show his sage kyubi mode since battle with pain , he didnt used it . it will be interesting to watch out Naruto,BEE,KAKASHI & GUY VS MADARA & OBITO!!!
since GUY,KAKAshi & Bee have been tired so its time to see NARUTO's TRUE POWER , remember the storyline what sage said chapter 572 page 11
since GUY,KAKAshi & Bee have been tired so its time to see NARUTO's TRUE POWER , remember the storyline what sage said chapter 572 page 11
Most people say Obito is bad, but is he?
Are his plans really evil?
I think not, looking at it from his point of view:
- Seeing people break their promises (e.g. Kakashi)
- Seeing Rin die, but also the whole Love-Hate circle
Making decisions, which causes peace for Person A,
but bitterness, pain and sorrow for Person B.
Good example, village and his clan Uchiha.
That's why he decided to follow the idea of Madara, whom he surely has a connection with.
The Eye of the moon plan, which in fact is like a virtual world, where there's no place for hate pain and lies.. But is this the solution?
It's like killing humanity, the choices you can make in life, the pain, the love, the truth the lies, these are needed in a world where everythig has its opposites..
Life and death, the knowledge of it all existing, makes us human:
The experience, the feeling we get by experiencing things.
The Eye of the moon plan is in fact disturbing this all, making the shinobi's death inevitable..
So my point is, Obito's view of peace is childish, formed by his trauma's and pain..
Childish but his motive is a sort of peace, reaching a higher goal: protecting his comrads from making the most painfull decisions of their lives with regrets and burdens on their shoulders.
So is obito still evil? Seen from his pov
Are his plans really evil?
I think not, looking at it from his point of view:
- Seeing people break their promises (e.g. Kakashi)
- Seeing Rin die, but also the whole Love-Hate circle
Making decisions, which causes peace for Person A,
but bitterness, pain and sorrow for Person B.
Good example, village and his clan Uchiha.
That's why he decided to follow the idea of Madara, whom he surely has a connection with.
The Eye of the moon plan, which in fact is like a virtual world, where there's no place for hate pain and lies.. But is this the solution?
It's like killing humanity, the choices you can make in life, the pain, the love, the truth the lies, these are needed in a world where everythig has its opposites..
Life and death, the knowledge of it all existing, makes us human:
The experience, the feeling we get by experiencing things.
The Eye of the moon plan is in fact disturbing this all, making the shinobi's death inevitable..
So my point is, Obito's view of peace is childish, formed by his trauma's and pain..
Childish but his motive is a sort of peace, reaching a higher goal: protecting his comrads from making the most painfull decisions of their lives with regrets and burdens on their shoulders.
So is obito still evil? Seen from his pov
thewondererer
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Agreed.
It doesn't matter if you lost a parent or someone you had a crush on. If you had deep feelings of love for them and you lose them, it willl be extremely painful no matter what.:noc:
Also people need to WAIT till the arc finishes BEFORE complaining about "plot holes" (which aren't really plot holes yet because there are possibilities to explain them afterwards.
Kishi can't just barrage 30 explanations into one chapter like what some people seem to want. It would be inorganic and his manga would lack flow. :ice:
I like your explanation of Obito's philosophy.
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Thank you!Agreed.
It doesn't matter if you lost a parent or someone you had a crush on. If you had deep feelings of love for them and you lose them, it willl be extremely painful no matter what.:noc:
Also people need to WAIT till the arc finishes BEFORE complaining about "plot holes" (which aren't really plot holes yet because there are possibilities to explain them afterwards.
Kishi can't just barrage 30 explanations into one chapter like what some people seem to want. It would be inorganic and his manga would lack flow. :ice:
I like your explanation of Obito's philosophy.
stormking96
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Rin was everything to obito, if u saw the manga shapter that was about him, he was thought to be dead and didnt have much human interaction by the looks of it so his hate probably just grew once rin died and madara might of had something to do with that
I think some time kishimoto has to show kakashis face. Not for the hell of it. Obitobi showed his face. Now it's kakashis turn. Like if his mast was torn off in a scrap and idk he reviles some incredible power.
First time kishimoto would insert "spoiler alert" in the middle of the page
First time kishimoto would insert "spoiler alert" in the middle of the page
thewondererer
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Lol I think everyone would like to see Kakashi's full face but what makes Tobi different is that his entire identity (appearance and as a person) was covered while only part of Kakashi's appearance is covered.
Orgasm. This post is the bible that should be preached to this forum. Seriously.thewondererer said:Agreed.
It doesn't matter if you lost a parent or someone you had a crush on. If you had deep feelings of love for them and you lose them, it willl be extremely painful no matter what.:noc:
Also people need to WAIT till the arc finishes BEFORE complaining about "plot holes" (which aren't really plot holes yet because there are possibilities to explain them afterwards.
Kishi can't just barrage 30 explanations into one chapter like what some people seem to want. It would be inorganic and his manga would lack flow. :ice:
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Is confirmed naruto and obito are gone to die yeah. Sasuke will fake kill Sakura naruto will go mad evil like tobi they will join force to destroy kasahi and sasuke for over a girl that dont give crap about them then we will have naruto vs sasuke fight tobi vs kasahi fight tobi and naruto will die of love and sasuke will become hokage even though that's not what he wanted just like how kasahi was appointed hokage he never wanted that that was obitio dream naruto gone die I hate hate prick always saving everyone just too fake character
MangaStream
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What a Hell of A Chapter!!
With Madara on Obito's Side.. the Battle will be Epic.!
and with Madara.. kishi can Give us a Better Explanation to all of Your Questions..
With Madara on Obito's Side.. the Battle will be Epic.!
and with Madara.. kishi can Give us a Better Explanation to all of Your Questions..
marvel what if series... what if Madara (just an aside here but did anyone notice that he literally like flew in there landing ala superman/Hancock like a boss) rather then joining obito or even after helping obito for a lil turns on him and attacks him (obito) claiming "this is for killing me you lil shit." I'd donate 30% of all the money I ever make to kishi if this happens
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