[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions
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What everyone is missing in the "Who is Tobi" discussion is this issue brings up how important Kabuto was to Tobi as his plans would have failed without Kabuto's edo technique. This brings up a huge question. How did Tobi know Kabuto had the the Gold and Silver Brothers? How did he know they had been trapped in the containers? Annother question is why they weren't released eveyone else who was bound seemed to be released?
The biggest problem, though is why didn't Tobi just have Kabuto summon the Brothers and then summon the Bijuu? It would have been a much easier way that to try and battle both the 8 and tails. Right?
It seems a very odd plotting problem.
The biggest problem, though is why didn't Tobi just have Kabuto summon the Brothers and then summon the Bijuu? It would have been a much easier way that to try and battle both the 8 and tails. Right?
It seems a very odd plotting problem.
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Whoo!!! Finally getting back to Naruto's fight! Don't get me wrong the other stuff, like Oro coming back etc. is cool and important to really get the story of the war out...buuuut I have really been missing the Naruto action!
sageovsixpaths
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5/5 chapter
Though it was confimation of the obvious (Tobi not needing to have a full powered 10 tails to do hos moons eye plan) I did like and always like Naruto's speeches and Guy finally "growing up" even KB's dirty confession of middle age woman's chest *cough* Tsunade *cough* was hilarious:rofl:
As for the theory of who Tobi is.....IDK...as I said in a thread earlier I can't blame people for wondering if its Obito again, but I'm just going to wait and find out.
Though it was confimation of the obvious (Tobi not needing to have a full powered 10 tails to do hos moons eye plan) I did like and always like Naruto's speeches and Guy finally "growing up" even KB's dirty confession of middle age woman's chest *cough* Tsunade *cough* was hilarious:rofl:
As for the theory of who Tobi is.....IDK...as I said in a thread earlier I can't blame people for wondering if its Obito again, but I'm just going to wait and find out.
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What if Kishi is F'n with everyone by making those comments towards Kakashi and Guy to throw everyone off. I'm sure he knows everyone thinks it's Obito. I bet he's just screwing with our heads lol
thesurvivor
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I am enjoying this.
1. On kakashi's information, that is an extremely loose case and relies on the fact that they either tailed all the anbu or just particularly strong ones. Or it could have been becuase he was with the nine tails. It still relies on the fact that kakashi has said this information, tho, which I don't think he did. I think that the fact this whole team died is something that easily attainable information. Knowing how much he feels responsible for all of it is not an easy conclusion to jump to, especially because we don't kno how rin died and in the ninja world, people die on missions all the time. It would be a huge step for tobi or zetsu to take to say he feels it's his fault that one of his partners died without zetsu having heard him say it (possible but unlikely) or an understanding of exactly what happened that day. If zetsu knew that, he would have to be there, but obito was there, and kagami would kno nothing. It could go either way and the way you are arguing it makes it a mute point, because although it's not probable that zetsu got this information, it's plausible and so it cannot be eliminated as an option. It's also not probable that zetsu tracked kakashi instead of anybody else, because there has to be more important targets than him. But again, improbable but plausible, so I'll put that point aside for now. Onto guy, it's just too improbable that both zetsu brought up such a non important piece of information to their fight, nor is it probable that he remembered it. Zetsu wasn't on the island with naruto and guy, so he didn't kno about that situation when guy forgot him again. That means that it only happened once (or maybe twice, I don't remember another time besides when team guy fights kisame when gaara was captured) in tobi's and zetsu's recollection. Why would zetsu bring it up if it only happened that one time? And why would tobi remember that one fact, from a while ago, back when the akatsuki was alive. And then why would tobi declare that he had a tendency to forget peoples faces? Unless you count when he was fighting those three guys (I forget their names) and you think zetsu was again for no reason tracking guy, whom he truly has no reason to track. Under that logic tobi would have no reason to say that guy always forgets peoples faces having only 1 recorded situation of it happening. He would need more experiences with it in order to jump to such a conclusion. And on a larger scale, why even bring up such information? If he were obito, he would at least have a relationship as former peers to go off of, a reason to speak only to them. If he were kagami he would have no relation and therefore no reason to single out those 2. Where were the random facts about killer bee? He could have definitely brought up naruto's brashness and his inability to even save sasuke. But no. He only talked to the 2 most insignificant members of the battle about to erupt. Because let's face it, they can't be of too much of a threat, except for maybe they could fight tobi and naruto and bee would fight the ten tails. I digress. The point is, they are not a threat to his plan, bee and naruto are. So why talk to kakashi and guy? Why even bring up that fact about guy? It doesn't even effect guy for him to say that? It's just not very practical today such things for no reason, especially if you say them to people who mean nothing to you. It is much more likely that obito would say this then that anybody else would.
Oh and by the way everybody has heard about kakashi the copy cat ninja, but nobody knows his back story.
2. Now we are getting into arguments I'm more familiar with. Mizukage was controlled after his attack on the leaf village. He could have definitely gone to the mizukage as a part of the plan that madara and him had created, and that's that about his whereabouts with mizukage. He definitely existed then. And against minato, he was able to compete against him only until he lost the element of suprise. All he used was space-time ninjutsu the whole time. The fact that he is untouchable allowed him to go up against whimsy minato and allows him to go up against anybody. As soon as minato learns all he needed to know about the jutsu, however, he easily counters it. If you look at the situation, after that tobi truly didn't stand a chance. He was not better than minato, he just has a really kick ass jutsu that nobody except minato and konan has figured their way around. Konan would have won had it not been for izangi. We don't even know if tobi has any real fighting skill. All he really has needed is to be intangible and the abilities of his sharingan, and that as we've seen makes an extremely dangerous ninja. I don't know what you mean by obito's whereabouts don't add up, but his time in konoha was like 3 hours at most, and then he was gone. And he can teleport literally anywhere in the world almost instantaneously. His whereabouts add up alright.
3. There is some logic behind it. What motive does kagami have? Every single option for who he is except for maybe izuna (who it definitely isn't) has no motive to do any of this. Only madara uchiha has a hatred of the uchiha clan, because they turned their backs on him and stayed with the village. No matter whom tobi turns out to be, he was definitely talked into becoming tobi, because I bet that madara along with his sharingans ability to influence decisions could persuade someone to join his cause, especially after aging their life. And when you have persuaded somebody as far as essentially being your incarnate, they will probably do what you will. Madara wanted revenge on the uchiha, and tobi did that for him. Speaking of which, does kagami have a reason for needing to be reconstructed with white zetsu like material? Because obito was crushed by boulders and would therefore need to be reconfigured. To our knowledge kagami's body was perfectly fine. I think it's a stronger argument to say that the one who was crushed by boulders that we saw would need such reconstruction then to say that even though he was perfectly healthy, at some point something happened to kagami and he needed the whites zestu material for it.
I'm not saying he is obito because he knows guy and kakashi, I am saying that him knowing guy and kakashi strengthens the argument that the is obito, because obito would probably know guy and would definitely know kakashi. I just didn't give the entire obito argument when I brought up supporting evidence and so you considered it to be my main evidence, which is not the case.
I don't know where you got that everybody knows that guy beefed kisame, because while zetsu and so maybe tobi knew, nobody else probably found out about it. Some people might know kisame, and some people might know guy, but nobody except for zetsu is just gonna find out that guy forgot kisames faces, and not even he imo would care about it.
Your senju idea is possible, but there isn't much evidence to back it so I'm not gonna argue it.
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You can use izangi (idk the right way to spell it I go with this way) even if you have mangekyo. Especially since you can still use regular sharingan. Also, tobi's space time ninjutsu is probably not sharingan related at all. He does not have mangekyo sharingan, and so if the jutsu was sharingan related I think madara would probably know how to use it, being one of the greatest sharingan masters and being able to use full form susanoo. It is interesting how the moves are similar, but I think any relation is purposefully coincidental.
great great GREAT chapter!
Oh man this one was good, finally it's confirmed that the juubi is the vessel of the 10 tails!
Best one in weeks
When I first saw that Tobi knew Kakashi I was like.....OBITO?...
And I was a little excited
then I saw him knowing guy also...so that kind of disappointed me. But also it excited me cause we are getting close to Tobi's real identity!
Oh boy can't wait for next week
Oh man this one was good, finally it's confirmed that the juubi is the vessel of the 10 tails!
Best one in weeks
When I first saw that Tobi knew Kakashi I was like.....OBITO?...
And I was a little excited
then I saw him knowing guy also...so that kind of disappointed me. But also it excited me cause we are getting close to Tobi's real identity!
Oh boy can't wait for next week
AnimeIsPerfection
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Meh. It was mostly just information we already knew. (or have inferred)
Killer B lent us a tiny bit of comic releaf.
Tobi's identity will be revealed soon and we're closing in on another round of Naruto VS Tobi.
Killer B lent us a tiny bit of comic releaf.
Tobi's identity will be revealed soon and we're closing in on another round of Naruto VS Tobi.
Minato Is Back
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Awesome! I cannot wait for the next issue!!! UGH!!! Why can't it be now!!! :shrug:
So who do you think Tobi is now? I did originally think it was Madara's brother but I'm confused as to what he said to Kakashi in this issue. I think Kakashi knows for sure who he is now...maybe it'll be revealed in the next issue!!! xd
So who do you think Tobi is now? I did originally think it was Madara's brother but I'm confused as to what he said to Kakashi in this issue. I think Kakashi knows for sure who he is now...maybe it'll be revealed in the next issue!!! xd
Minato Is Back
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Wow amazing chapter for me. This is my favorite fight out of all the ones that are going in the war right now. I'm quite amazed that Tobi was able to anticipate BM Naruto with his fan and block his Rasengan! Tobi is much more of a badass than I had already thought.
5/5 And I'm thinking that maybe Tobi will end up being Kagami Uchiha. His dialogue in this chapter clearly states that he knows about Konoha to a great extent. Since Kagami was in the same generation as Danzo, I wouldn't be surprised if he found a way to extend his life with Zetsu. Also his name Kagami means mirror in Japanese. So this could also be a reference to his plan with reflecting Tsukuyomi on the moon to cast the world into Infinite Genjutsu.
5/5 And I'm thinking that maybe Tobi will end up being Kagami Uchiha. His dialogue in this chapter clearly states that he knows about Konoha to a great extent. Since Kagami was in the same generation as Danzo, I wouldn't be surprised if he found a way to extend his life with Zetsu. Also his name Kagami means mirror in Japanese. So this could also be a reference to his plan with reflecting Tsukuyomi on the moon to cast the world into Infinite Genjutsu.
I think he resurrected madara. How else would madara know the seals? This obviously was not his first encounter with such a jutsu. Thank you for making me think of this. After tobirama summoned him, he could have realized how dangerous the jutsu really is and then he made it a forbidden jutsu
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