[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 562 Discussion and 563 Predictions

[Uchihagodzzz]

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Amazing chap!

 

[Pin]

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great chapter! i hate to say it but oonoki would definitely die. and probably tsunade. kinda worrying to watch her enter battle and already using genesis rebirth. i'm not sure about A and Mei but i definitely hope gaara won't die! he's supposed to rule suna with naruto ruling konoha!!

this upcoming battle is gonna be gold. and the fake madara's not even here yet. geez, how is the good side gonna hold up? D:

 

[Logan923]

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I am begginning to think, sasuke and naruto might have to tag team... provided itatchi or naruto bitch slaps sasuke back into his right state of mind.

 

[ItachiTAS]

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Tobi is really a mystery.i spent long hours thinking(which is not quite often)and deduced this-
Tobi is madara's zetsu clone with memories intact.
Before saying"huh,that's what everybody say" and yelling at me read the rest.
Theory-as madara lost to hashirama he would've used some intangibility jutsu or gen to escape.but the question arises-WHY DID MADARA FAKE HIS DEATH?
Prob.#1-because he wants to escape and not be reattacked.but that's not "like"madara,which makes me rule it out.
Prob.#2-what if he NEVER LOST in the first place?sounds too fantastic,isn't it?madara spoke to kabuto about hashirama's cells.madara's motive of fighting the first was not being a hokage,he planned something bigger(like eye of the moon).so his primary objective of fighting hashirama is to get his cells.i'd like to go with this one.thrilling but possible.
WHY#2?
Because it best explains the rest of the thing.
MADARA'S FUTURE GOALS-
madara experiments incorporating hashirama's cells into his body.(which explains how he unleashed rinnengan which requires both senju and uchiha cells and mokuton).he then unleashes his rinnengan and deciphers the sage's tablet finding things even he didn't knew.
WHY TOBI?
Everything is smooth.but when rejoicing his discoveries madara was dumbstruck.(forgive me for being so dramatic)he finds something even he can't defeat.DEATH.that's when tobi steps in.madara cannot capture the tails and use demonic statue of outer path in his lifetime.he experiments with hashirama's cells and his newly found rinnengan techniques to make a black and white monster(guess who it is?).using him he creates a clone of himself and implants a copy of his memories in him.he decides to give rinnengan to somebody who would revive him at a later stage.so there are 2 poss.of when(and how) he gave the rinnengan to nagato-
prob.#1-he gave rinnengan to tobi and tobi gave it to nagato later.this explains his youthful appearance when he was revived.but this fails to explain how he knew nagato.(which demands some connection between him and tobi in the other world making me think of king kai).this resulted in me scratching my head for this second one.
#2-he stayed alive for another 60 years and gave nagato himself making tobi then.(whitey could've been made earlier).this demands that he has found a way to revive somebody IN HIS PRIME.(but come on,he wasn't eating shit in the 60 years).he then dies shortly of age leaving whitey and tobi to fulfill his plans.
Tobi continues research while whitey takes nagato's care from the background.jiraiya trains nagato.when nagato and team were attacked yahiko died but nagato survived.WHY?
Cause it was tobi's plan for the early maturation of little nagato and inculcating 'pain' in him.konan was left as emotional support. Then obito incident occurred allowing tobi to get a sharingan.then he fought minato.WHY?to get the tails?probably not.but because he has to be removed for uchiha massacre to take place.note that tobi has only ONE sharingan when he fought minato,hence the ONE HOLE pattern of his mask was born.
WHY UCHIHA MASSACRE-
cause-
#1-he was madara's clone with true memories.he wants revenge.
#2-he wants another sharingan.
#3-because he wants ONLY 2 members left.both with amazing ability so that one could get an EMS to sync. With demonic statue later.(sasuke was the one.)
AFTERMATH-
Nagato 'wasted' samsara of heavenly life upsetting all their plans compelling tobi to get the rinnengan for which he got as far as using izanagi.kabuto with edo tensei opens new possibilities.(no need of sasuke).
One more thing.i think attack on kakashi and obito was also madara's work.he may have wanted a sharingan and may have selected kakashi to take care of the valuable naruto and sasuke.(zetsu was always behind them to initiate supplementary measures in case they were in danger,but that never happened.) [he used Danzo for 'inside'works such as uchiha massacre or kakashi's appointment,though Danzo wanted sharingans for himself too].
Some problems-
#-there are some unknowns.
#-it fails to explain what madara did in 60 years.
#-no clue as why madara thought samsara would work when it was specified it would work only on people in the place between this world and the other one.(he may have found a way to stay there,he's MADARA UCHIHA!)
finally,all this shit is more of "what i would've done if i were Kishi" than"I AM KISHI!those who don't believe me piss off."
Y'all can help me out with those problems or give your own ideas.thanks for reading this far.(if you're not dead already,cause i am dead typing 4666 characters at 1 a.m.)

 

[papisarze]

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Tobi is really a mystery.i spent long hours thinking(which is not quite often)and deduced this-
Tobi is madara's zetsu clone with memories intact.
Before saying"huh,that's what everybody say" and yelling at me read the rest.
Theory-as madara lost to hashirama he would've used some intangibility jutsu or gen to escape.but the question arises-WHY DID MADARA FAKE HIS DEATH?
Prob.#1-because he wants to escape and not be reattacked.but that's not "like"madara,which makes me rule it out.
Prob.#2-what if he NEVER LOST in the first place?sounds too fantastic,isn't it?madara spoke to kabuto about hashirama's cells.madara's motive of fighting the first was not being a hokage,he planned something bigger(like eye of the moon).so his primary objective of fighting hashirama is to get his cells.i'd like to go with this one.thrilling but possible.
WHY#2?
Because it best explains the rest of the thing.
MADARA'S FUTURE GOALS-
madara experiments incorporating hashirama's cells into his body.(which explains how he unleashed rinnengan which requires both senju and uchiha cells and mokuton).he then unleashes his rinnengan and deciphers the sage's tablet finding things even he didn't knew.
WHY TOBI?
Everything is smooth.but when rejoicing his discoveries madara was dumbstruck.(forgive me for being so dramatic)he finds something even he can't defeat.DEATH.that's when tobi steps in.madara cannot capture the tails and use demonic statue of outer path in his lifetime.he experiments with hashirama's cells and his newly found rinnengan techniques to make a black and white monster(guess who it is?).using him he creates a clone of himself and implants a copy of his memories in him.he decides to give rinnengan to somebody who would revive him at a later stage.so there are 2 poss.of when(and how) he gave the rinnengan to nagato-
prob.#1-he gave rinnengan to tobi and tobi gave it to nagato later.this explains his youthful appearance when he was revived.but this fails to explain how he knew nagato.(which demands some connection between him and tobi in the other world making me think of king kai).this resulted in me scratching my head for this second one.
#2-he stayed alive for another 60 years and gave nagato himself making tobi then.(whitey could've been made earlier).this demands that he has found a way to revive somebody IN HIS PRIME.(but come on,he wasn't eating shit in the 60 years).he then dies shortly of age leaving whitey and tobi to fulfill his plans.
Tobi continues research while whitey takes nagato's care from the background.jiraiya trains nagato.when nagato and team were attacked yahiko died but nagato survived.WHY?
Cause it was tobi's plan for the early maturation of little nagato and inculcating 'pain' in him.konan was left as emotional support. Then obito incident occurred allowing tobi to get a sharingan.then he fought minato.WHY?to get the tails?probably not.but because he has to be removed for uchiha massacre to take place.note that tobi has only ONE sharingan when he fought minato,hence the ONE HOLE pattern of his mask was born.
WHY UCHIHA MASSACRE-
cause-
#1-he was madara's clone with true memories.he wants revenge.
#2-he wants another sharingan.
#3-because he wants ONLY 2 members left.both with amazing ability so that one could get an EMS to sync. With demonic statue later.(sasuke was the one.)
AFTERMATH-
Nagato 'wasted' samsara of heavenly life upsetting all their plans compelling tobi to get the rinnengan for which he got as far as using izanagi.kabuto with edo tensei opens new possibilities.(no need of sasuke).
One more thing.i think attack on kakashi and obito was also madara's work.he may have wanted a sharingan and may have selected kakashi to take care of the valuable naruto and sasuke.(zetsu was always behind them to initiate supplementary measures in case they were in danger,but that never happened.) [he used Danzo for 'inside'works such as uchiha massacre or kakashi's appointment,though Danzo wanted sharingans for himself too].
Some problems-
#-there are some unknowns.
#-it fails to explain what madara did in 60 years.
#-no clue as why madara thought samsara would work when it was specified it would work only on people in hueco mundo.(he may have found a way to stay there,he's MADARA UCHIHA!)
finally,all this shit is more of "what i would've done if i were Kishi" than"I AM KISHI!those who don't believe me piss off."
Y'all can help me out with those problems or give your own ideas.thanks for reading this far.(if you're not dead already,cause i am dead typing 4666 characters at 1 a.m.)

:flaw:

 

[ItachiTAS]

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I'm happy to see Madara mention his eye on the moon plan. This is just another confirmation that Madara is a power hungry fool, played by a cunning demon who keeps his identity to himself.

The so6p split the 10 tails, who at that point apparently was a living creature. It's body got sent up as the moon, it's spirit was split in 9 parts and shattered over the world. But what happened to it's mind? Clearly none of the tailed beasts know of their past as the 10 tails. If so at least the 8-tails would have spoken up.

Imo, the mind of the 10 tails manifested in nature and took on a physical form: black zetsu. It's sole purpose? Reunite body, spirit and mind. What does it need? The powers of the sage.

Along comes the power hungry fool Madara, freshly beaten by the 1st hokage, and desperate for revenge. Easy target is he not?
Not only does zetsu know that Madara has the potential eyes of the sage (rinnegan), but he also knows that Madara needs to be fused with Senju DNA to reach that potential.

So how do you convince a fool to follow your advice: The eye on the moon plan.
Madara thinks this will give him power over the world. But really what does zetsu want? Only what's inside of the moon. By that point mind and spirit will have been reunited, only needing the body for completion.

But Madara rejected the DNA and was dying. That's a problem, which can be fixed by using the rinnegans powers. But Zetsu does not have the chakra for that (IMO Tobi is REALLY weak, he's cunning, but we haven't seen him do many fancy things in the way of attacking. Even more, we've seen him kill by stabbing with a kunai. Not really flashy).
Nagato was the next subject of manipulation.

At the time of the attack on Kohona by Tobi, Madara had died, and Zetsu has assimilated his dead body with his own, giving him the exact chakra and sharingan as Madara. This means that he could control the 9-tails, which he went to do. In the end he had to leave it thanks to Minato.

Time goes on, and Zetsu starts to consider that he might not need Madara anymore. Nagato might get strong enough to accomplish his goals too. Then he died reviving Kohona, leaving Zetsu with a half finished project. Now he needed to take the rinnegan for himself, and try to finish the job alone.

And then Kabuto brings along Madara, who is far more dangerous than Tobi is at the moment. Tobi is not going to fight Madara. Like I've read here, it's a diversion. If Tobi wants Madara gone, he'll attack Kabuto. If things go wrong, he has another strong Uchiha ready to mold into his willing puppet: Sasuke.
Also, why the fascination with the sharingans? He needed those to turn into the rinnegan. Senju DNA was no problem at that time. Unfortunately for him, you can't just grow a pair of sharingan.

There are so many signs indicating that the 10-tails will be the ultimate foe of the manga. Naruto and Sasuke, united having a power like the so6p... The entire concept of bonds that live for ever. Whatever happens, Naruto and Sasuke will have to team up eventually to face that doom on the world.

ULTIMATE,i'd like to say youre a genius.but there's a catch.the ten tails incident was supposed to have happenned a long long long time back.how do you explain what he was doing during the 1000+years?was he hanging out at a casino waiting for a madara uchiha to be born when it is given that sharingans were present ALL THE WAY back?i wish you're right.but facts matter.would ya like to join a naruto based online textual fighting site.it sounds drab but it's really cool.you can select your own characters and get them in action.like "naruto uses FRS through minato's STB."and "nagato blocks using asura path ability and backfires with a hax forest busting ST."it's in the beta stage but we're looking for characters like you.just repost here and i'll know where tn find you.you can also follow this url-
www(dot)z13(dot)invisionfree(dot)com/uns_beta
[replace (dot)s by periods.this site won't let me do it!]

 

[Shotoetoe]

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Tobi is really a mystery.i spent long hours thinking(which is not quite often)and deduced this-
Tobi is madara's zetsu clone with memories intact.
Before saying"huh,that's what everybody say" and yelling at me read the rest.
Theory-as madara lost to hashirama he would've used some intangibility jutsu or gen to escape.but the question arises-WHY DID MADARA FAKE HIS DEATH?
Prob.#1-because he wants to escape and not be reattacked.but that's not "like"madara,which makes me rule it out.
Prob.#2-what if he NEVER LOST in the first place?sounds too fantastic,isn't it?madara spoke to kabuto about hashirama's cells.madara's motive of fighting the first was not being a hokage,he planned something bigger(like eye of the moon).so his primary objective of fighting hashirama is to get his cells.i'd like to go with this one.thrilling but possible.
WHY#2?
Because it best explains the rest of the thing.

But i believe Madara DID lose the battle and was left to die, yet got saved by Zetsu for whom the battle between the 2 was both very interesting and appealing. At this point Black Zetsu, which in my theory is a facet of the 10-tails, started manipulating Madara which was the reason he kept a low profile.

MADARA'S FUTURE GOALS-
madara experiments incorporating hashirama's cells into his body.(which explains how he unleashed rinnengan which requires both senju and uchiha cells and mokuton).he then unleashes his rinnengan and deciphers the sage's tablet finding things even he didn't knew.

I don't think Madara decyphered the tablet, i believe even with the rinnegan that would be a difficult task, and the fact that Madara awakened those eyes right before his death suggest the experiments became the end of him in the first place.

WHY TOBI?
Everything is smooth.but when rejoicing his discoveries madara was dumbstruck.(forgive me for being so dramatic)he finds something even he can't defeat.DEATH.that's when tobi steps in.madara cannot capture the tails and use demonic statue of outer path in his lifetime.he experiments with hashirama's cells and his newly found rinnengan techniques to make a black and white monster(guess who it is?).

No, black Zetsu existed before. Madara created the white ones. If you look at them then you'll notice that the white ones look human, while the black one is demonic (aka 10-tailed demon).

using him he creates a clone of himself and implants a copy of his memories in him.he decides to give rinnengan to somebody who would revive him at a later stage.so there are 2 poss.of when(and how) he gave the rinnengan to nagato-

More likely that black Zetsu split up, filling up one half with a white Zetsu, and one half with Madara's corpse becoming Tobi.

prob.#1-he gave rinnengan to tobi and tobi gave it to nagato later.this explains his youthful appearance when he was revived.but this fails to explain how he knew nagato.(which demands some connection between him and tobi in the other world making me think of king kai).this resulted in me scratching my head for this second one.

#2-he stayed alive for another 60 years and gave nagato himself making tobi then.(whitey could've been made earlier).this demands that he has found a way to revive somebody IN HIS PRIME.(but come on,he wasn't eating shit in the 60 years).he then dies shortly of age leaving whitey and tobi to fulfill his plans.

Madara knew of Nagato, Zetsu and Madara had already agreed on Nagato before Madara died. How he survived this long is anyone's guess.

Tobi continues research while whitey takes nagato's care from the background.jiraiya trains nagato.when nagato and team were attacked yahiko died but nagato survived.WHY?
Cause it was tobi's plan for the early maturation of little nagato and inculcating 'pain' in him.konan was left as emotional support.

Agreed

Then obito incident occurred allowing tobi to get a sharingan.then he fought minato.WHY?to get the tails?probably not.but because he has to be removed for uchiha massacre to take place.note that tobi has only ONE sharingan when he fought minato,hence the ONE HOLE pattern of his mask was born.

No no no, there's absolutely no need to drag obito in here. Tobi got his sharingans from Madara. I don't know how they implanted the rinnegan in Nagato, but considering that Nagato had his rinnegan at a VERY young age, they most certainly did not transplant Madara's adult eyes into him.

WHY UCHIHA MASSACRE-
cause-
#1-he was madara's clone with true memories.he wants revenge.
#2-he wants another sharingan.
#3-because he wants ONLY 2 members left.both with amazing ability so that one could get an EMS to sync. With demonic statue later.(sasuke was the one.)

Or because he needed the eyes for experimenting, maybe with Izanagi.

AFTERMATH-
Nagato 'wasted' samsara of heavenly life upsetting all their plans compelling tobi to get the rinnengan for which he got as far as using izanagi.kabuto with edo tensei opens new possibilities.(no need of sasuke).
One more thing.i think attack on kakashi and obito was also madara's work.he may have wanted a sharingan and may have selected kakashi to take care of the valuable naruto and sasuke.

Seriously, Obito only awakened his eyes during this event. It's far fetched to think Tobi went this far to get a sharingan. Surely, there were other crappy Uchiha moving about he could kill and steal their eyes from

ULTIMATE,i'd like to say youre a genius.but there's a catch.the ten tails incident was supposed to have happenned a long long long time back.how do you explain what he was doing during the 1000+years?was he hanging out at a casino waiting for a madara uchiha to be born when it is given that sharingans were present ALL THE WAY back?i wish you're right.but facts matter.

Well okay, but it doesn't add up. The ninja villages were only set up 4 to 5 generations before the start of the manga. Also, Madara and Harashima were said to be rather direct relatives of the Sage. So all in all Kishi is very vague with these things. I wouldn't say 1000 years, but more 300-400 years. It comes down to how long it took for Zetsu, if he's part of the 10-tails, to manifest itself in nature, back into "flesh".

 

[ItachiTAS]

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:flaw:

well,sorry for the mistake.i was afraid of running out of characters at that time.
And if you take the pains of googling it it would eventually turn out to be spanish for"hollow world" or "a mythical place believed to sustain a world between the world of living or dead".i won't use any emoticons,though.I HATE SMILEYS!

 

[ItachiTAS]

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But i believe Madara DID lose the battle and was left to die, yet got saved by Zetsu for whom the battle between the 2 was both very interesting and appealing. At this point Black Zetsu, which in my theory is a facet of the 10-tails, started manipulating Madara which was the reason he kept a low profile.
You still don't explain the 1000+years and why he waited for this specific person(madara)when their were other "good sharingan bearing people"moving around.he surely can't see future.can he?


I don't think Madara decyphered the tablet, i believe even with the rinnegan that would be a difficult task, and the fact that Madara awakened those eyes right before his death suggest the experiments became the end of him in the first place.
Madara awekened his eyes after some time of his hax fight with hashirama.plus he must've heard and researched things of remote past during his lifetime.and if rinnengan cannot read the tablet,who can?is it like the sage wrote it himself and forgot how to read it?it can decipher the most compared to the 3 great dojutsu.


No, black Zetsu existed before. Madara created the white ones. If you look at them then you'll notice that the white ones look human, while the black one is demonic (aka 10-tailed demon).
Madara created the white clones for sure.but the black ones came from unknown place.maybe a failed experiment with creator of all things and reanimation.


More likely that black Zetsu split up, filling up one half with a white Zetsu, and one half with Madara's corpse becoming Tobi.
You're making a paradox here.what would be the need of reviving madara if he was a threat.he wouldn't have given nagato the rinnengan if madara gave them to him.what's the purpose,the logic?he would've found all the tails and destroyed everything and no naruto!


Madara knew of Nagato, Zetsu and Madara had already agreed on Nagato before Madara died. How he survived this long is anyone's guess.
HOW?WHY did he choose this SPECIFIC NAGATOwhen he could've used any random kid.(and not wait so long.)these questions only kishi can answer.


Agreed



No no no, there's absolutely no need to drag obito in here. Tobi got his sharingans from Madara. I don't know how they implanted the rinnegan in Nagato, but considering that Nagato had his rinnegan at a VERY young age, they most certainly did not transplant Madara's adult eyes into him.
WHERE DID NAGATO GOT HIS RINNENGAN FROM?


Or because he needed the eyes for experimenting, maybe with Izanagi.
TRUST ME.IZANAGI GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.


Seriously, Obito only awakened his eyes during this event. It's far fetched to think Tobi went this far to get a sharingan. Surely, there were other crappy Uchiha moving about he could kill and steal their eyes from

agreed.reason unknown.maybe a coincidece.

 

[ItachiTAS]

Re: Naruto Manga 562 Discussion and 563 Predictions

But i believe Madara DID lose the battle and was left to die, yet got saved by Zetsu for whom the battle between the 2 was both very interesting and appealing. At this point Black Zetsu, which in my theory is a facet of the 10-tails, started manipulating Madara which was the reason he kept a low profile.
You still don't explain the 1000+years and why he waited for this specific person(madara)when their were other "good sharingan bearing people"moving around.he surely can't see future.can he?


I don't think Madara decyphered the tablet, i believe even with the rinnegan that would be a difficult task, and the fact that Madara awakened those eyes right before his death suggest the experiments became the end of him in the first place.
Madara awekened his eyes after some time of his hax fight with hashirama.plus he must've heard and researched things of remote past during his lifetime.and if rinnengan cannot read the tablet,who can?is it like the sage wrote it himself and forgot how to read it?it can decipher the most compared to the 3 great dojutsu.


No, black Zetsu existed before. Madara created the white ones. If you look at them then you'll notice that the white ones look human, while the black one is demonic (aka 10-tailed demon).
Madara created the white clones for sure.but the black ones came from unknown place.maybe a failed experiment with creator of all things and reanimation.


More likely that black Zetsu split up, filling up one half with a white Zetsu, and one half with Madara's corpse becoming Tobi.
You're making a paradox here.what would be the need of reviving madara if he was a threat.he wouldn't have given nagato the rinnengan if madara gave them to him.what's the purpose,the logic?he would've found all the tails and destroyed everything and no naruto!


Madara knew of Nagato, Zetsu and Madara had already agreed on Nagato before Madara died. How he survived this long is anyone's guess.
HOW?WHY did he choose this SPECIFIC NAGATOwhen he could've used any random kid.(and not wait so long.)these questions only kishi can answer.


Agreed



No no no, there's absolutely no need to drag obito in here. Tobi got his sharingans from Madara. I don't know how they implanted the rinnegan in Nagato, but considering that Nagato had his rinnegan at a VERY young age, they most certainly did not transplant Madara's adult eyes into him.
WHERE DID NAGATO GOT HIS RINNENGAN FROM?


Or because he needed the eyes for experimenting, maybe with Izanagi.
TRUST ME.IZANAGI GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.


Seriously, Obito only awakened his eyes during this event. It's far fetched to think Tobi went this far to get a sharingan. Surely, there were other crappy Uchiha moving about he could kill and steal their eyes from

agreed.reason unknown.maybe a coincidece.you wanna fight in uns.you'd be awesome with these skills!

 

[Yokima Yagame]

Re: Naruto Manga 562 Discussion and 563 Predictions

Tobi is really a mystery.i spent long hours thinking(which is not quite often)and deduced this-
Tobi is madara's zetsu clone with memories intact.
Before saying"huh,that's what everybody say" and yelling at me read the rest.
Theory-as madara lost to hashirama he would've used some intangibility jutsu or gen to escape.but the question arises-WHY DID MADARA FAKE HIS DEATH?
Prob.#1-because he wants to escape and not be reattacked.but that's not "like"madara,which makes me rule it out.
Prob.#2-what if he NEVER LOST in the first place?sounds too fantastic,isn't it?madara spoke to kabuto about hashirama's cells.madara's motive of fighting the first was not being a hokage,he planned something bigger(like eye of the moon).so his primary objective of fighting hashirama is to get his cells.i'd like to go with this one.thrilling but possible.
WHY#2?
Because it best explains the rest of the thing.
MADARA'S FUTURE GOALS-
madara experiments incorporating hashirama's cells into his body.(which explains how he unleashed rinnengan which requires both senju and uchiha cells and mokuton).he then unleashes his rinnengan and deciphers the sage's tablet finding things even he didn't knew.
WHY TOBI?
Everything is smooth.but when rejoicing his discoveries madara was dumbstruck.(forgive me for being so dramatic)he finds something even he can't defeat.DEATH.that's when tobi steps in.madara cannot capture the tails and use demonic statue of outer path in his lifetime.he experiments with hashirama's cells and his newly found rinnengan techniques to make a black and white monster(guess who it is?).using him he creates a clone of himself and implants a copy of his memories in him.he decides to give rinnengan to somebody who would revive him at a later stage.so there are 2 poss.of when(and how) he gave the rinnengan to nagato-
prob.#1-he gave rinnengan to tobi and tobi gave it to nagato later.this explains his youthful appearance when he was revived.but this fails to explain how he knew nagato.(which demands some connection between him and tobi in the other world making me think of king kai).this resulted in me scratching my head for this second one.
#2-he stayed alive for another 60 years and gave nagato himself making tobi then.(whitey could've been made earlier).this demands that he has found a way to revive somebody IN HIS PRIME.(but come on,he wasn't eating shit in the 60 years).he then dies shortly of age leaving whitey and tobi to fulfill his plans.
Tobi continues research while whitey takes nagato's care from the background.jiraiya trains nagato.when nagato and team were attacked yahiko died but nagato survived.WHY?
Cause it was tobi's plan for the early maturation of little nagato and inculcating 'pain' in him.konan was left as emotional support. Then obito incident occurred allowing tobi to get a sharingan.then he fought minato.WHY?to get the tails?probably not.but because he has to be removed for uchiha massacre to take place.note that tobi has only ONE sharingan when he fought minato,hence the ONE HOLE pattern of his mask was born.
WHY UCHIHA MASSACRE-
cause-
#1-he was madara's clone with true memories.he wants revenge.
#2-he wants another sharingan.
#3-because he wants ONLY 2 members left.both with amazing ability so that one could get an EMS to sync. With demonic statue later.(sasuke was the one.)
AFTERMATH-
Nagato 'wasted' samsara of heavenly life upsetting all their plans compelling tobi to get the rinnengan for which he got as far as using izanagi.kabuto with edo tensei opens new possibilities.(no need of sasuke).
One more thing.i think attack on kakashi and obito was also madara's work.he may have wanted a sharingan and may have selected kakashi to take care of the valuable naruto and sasuke.(zetsu was always behind them to initiate supplementary measures in case they were in danger,but that never happened.) [he used Danzo for 'inside'works such as uchiha massacre or kakashi's appointment,though Danzo wanted sharingans for himself too].
Some problems-
#-there are some unknowns.
#-it fails to explain what madara did in 60 years.
#-no clue as why madara thought samsara would work when it was specified it would work only on people in the place between this world and the other one.(he may have found a way to stay there,he's MADARA UCHIHA!)
finally,all this shit is more of "what i would've done if i were Kishi" than"I AM KISHI!those who don't believe me piss off."
Y'all can help me out with those problems or give your own ideas.thanks for reading this far.(if you're not dead already,cause i am dead typing 4666 characters at 1 a.m.)

I like the theory , and it could be true

 

[missing uchihaa]

Re: Naruto Manga 562 Discussion and 563 Predictions

cant wait for next chap... wanted to know how they will defeat madara...?

 

[sVPunisher]

Re: Naruto Manga 562 Discussion and 563 Predictions

:flaw:

All I have to say is, to be resurrected you have to be able to summon that persons ENTIRE SOUL! Hence why Orochimaru couldn't summon the 4th hokage against the 3rd. So unless it's black zetsu just posing as Madara, it's izuna. It's not "half" madara or any of that shit.

 

[fanzao]

Re: Naruto Manga 562 Discussion and 563 Predictions

awesome probably one of the best chapters in all of Naruto.
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[cLoneWarriorS]

Re: Naruto Manga 562 Discussion and 563 Predictions

I'm happy to see Madara mention his eye on the moon plan. This is just another confirmation that Madara is a power hungry fool, played by a cunning demon who keeps his identity to himself.

The so6p split the 10 tails, who at that point apparently was a living creature. It's body got sent up as the moon, it's spirit was split in 9 parts and shattered over the world. But what happened to it's mind? Clearly none of the tailed beasts know of their past as the 10 tails. If so at least the 8-tails would have spoken up.

Imo, the mind of the 10 tails manifested in nature and took on a physical form: black zetsu. It's sole purpose? Reunite body, spirit and mind. What does it need? The powers of the sage.

Along comes the power hungry fool Madara, freshly beaten by the 1st hokage, and desperate for revenge. Easy target is he not?
Not only does zetsu know that Madara has the potential eyes of the sage (rinnegan), but he also knows that Madara needs to be fused with Senju DNA to reach that potential.

So how do you convince a fool to follow your advice: The eye on the moon plan.
Madara thinks this will give him power over the world. But really what does zetsu want? Only what's inside of the moon. By that point mind and spirit will have been reunited, only needing the body for completion.

But Madara rejected the DNA and was dying. That's a problem, which can be fixed by using the rinnegans powers. But Zetsu does not have the chakra for that (IMO Tobi is REALLY weak, he's cunning, but we haven't seen him do many fancy things in the way of attacking. Even more, we've seen him kill by stabbing with a kunai. Not really flashy).
Nagato was the next subject of manipulation.

At the time of the attack on Kohona by Tobi, Madara had died, and Zetsu has assimilated his dead body with his own, giving him the exact chakra and sharingan as Madara. This means that he could control the 9-tails, which he went to do. In the end he had to leave it thanks to Minato.

Time goes on, and Zetsu starts to consider that he might not need Madara anymore. Nagato might get strong enough to accomplish his goals too. Then he died reviving Kohona, leaving Zetsu with a half finished project. Now he needed to take the rinnegan for himself, and try to finish the job alone.

And then Kabuto brings along Madara, who is far more dangerous than Tobi is at the moment. Tobi is not going to fight Madara. Like I've read here, it's a diversion. If Tobi wants Madara gone, he'll attack Kabuto. If things go wrong, he has another strong Uchiha ready to mold into his willing puppet: Sasuke.
Also, why the fascination with the sharingans? He needed those to turn into the rinnegan. Senju DNA was no problem at that time. Unfortunately for him, you can't just grow a pair of sharingan.

There are so many signs indicating that the 10-tails will be the ultimate foe of the manga. Naruto and Sasuke, united having a power like the so6p... The entire concept of bonds that live for ever. Whatever happens, Naruto and Sasuke will have to team up eventually to face that doom on the world.

I like the way you are putting some indicators on how the manga went and will go on.
Yes, I also see Naruto and Sasuke more of tag team, a yin and yang balanced combination with regards to protecting the shinobi world.
But still, a lot of revelations with regards to Tobi, Madara, Kabuto and especially So6P has to be made.

 

[ItachiTAS]

Re: Naruto Manga 562 Discussion and 563 Predictions

All I have to say is, to be resurrected you have to be able to summon that persons ENTIRE SOUL! Hence why Orochimaru couldn't summon the 4th hokage against the 3rd. So unless it's black zetsu just posing as Madara, it's izuna. It's not "half" madara or any of that shit.

I don't understand.i specified zetsu's not half madara.you oughta check out the functioning of creator of all things.he is just his creation.and tobi's just a clone.some mind implantation and copy paste sort of jutsu must've planted madara's memories into him.

 

[Oolong]

Re: Naruto Manga 562 Discussion and 563 Predictions

How many Clones did Naruto dispatch? I can't keep up it. Where is the real Naruto?

 

[hinata17]

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5 kage battle? I'M EXCITED :T_T:

 

[jirock]

Re: Naruto Manga 562 Discussion and 563 Predictions

tobi is the brother of madara who we thought had died!

 

[jirock]

Re: Naruto Manga 562 Discussion and 563 Predictions

tobi is the brother of madara who we thought had died!