[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 560 Discussion and 561 Predictions

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Re: Naruto Manga 560 Discussion and 561 Predictions

I think Madara knew Black Zestu before he died they actually worked together and planned this whole thing out from A to Z....They both had similar views, But!!!!Black Zestu is the puppeteer, I think he minipulated Madara, just like he did every member of Akatsuki. It was In order to reach his goal but Madara, thought they had the same goal but he will see how wrong he was in the upcoming Manga Chapters.

Views Of The Two

*Madara was and is still trying to become the host of the Juubi to become the SO6P's to cast a genjistu on the moon...for peace. Yes even as a Edo tensi

*Tobi/Madara is trying to become the Juubi again to cause total chaos.

Edo tensi Madara knows that the prophecy that was foretold to him isnt quite the same since, he has been Resurrected as a Endo tensi by Kabuto, Instead of being Resurrected back to life normal by Nagato. I think Endo tensi Madara knows this but it hasnt hit him yet that hes been a pawn...He even states this on Manga 560 pg 3. This was directed to Tobi/Madara who he knows as Black Zestu...logic!
 

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Hold up...so how did the SO6P obtain Rinnegan...he didn't have a brother, and how would he know to kill his bestfriend to obtain mangekyo sharingan? There are still so many things to be answered before people even start concocting hypothesis
The Sage obtained the Omnigan,the eye of the Juubi when he became its host. He went from being a normal Sage to becoming the SO6P's, when he became the host of the Juubi.....logic!
 

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GreAt chapter. It makes sense that Madara has the rinnengan actually. When Tobi took the Rinnengan from Nagatomhensaidnhe was third sage of the six paths. Check out manga 510 on pg 16 for reference. At first I thought it was a mistranslation, but it makes sense now. Also chapter 510 and 511 leads me to believe Toni is indeed not Madara...more than likely Izuna or the other half of the black Zetsu
 

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Re: Naruto Manga 560 Discussion and 561 Predictions

Sharingan=(Kill friend)=>Mangekyou Sharingan=(Implant eyes of siblings)=>EMS=(somecrazystuff^^)=> Rinnegan

Makes sense to me... tobi gave the rinnegan to nagato; he also said it was his rinnegan before giving it to nagato => tobi has the sharingan and he also awakend the rinnegan... what do u think?!?!?
It makes sense if he is Izuna because if by some crazy reason Nagato ended up with Madara's rinnenganneyse then they originally were Izuna since Madara took his and evolvedmthem all the way up to the Rinnengan. The only thing I wonder about is what happened to Madara's original eyes. If Madara gained new light by taking Izuna's eyes, then why didn't Izuna take his after Madara gained new light?
 

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I think Madara knew Black Zestu before he died they actually worked together and planned this whole thing out from A to Z....They both had similar views, But!!!!Black Zestu is the puppeteer, I think he minipulated Madara, just like he did every member of Akatsuki. It was In order to reach his goal but Madara, thought they had the same goal but he will see how wrong he was in the upcoming Manga Chapters.

Views Of The Two

*Madara was and is still trying to become the host of the Juubi to become the SO6P's to cast a genjistu on the moon...for peace. Yes even as a Edo tensi

*Tobi/Madara is trying to become the Juubi again to cause total chaos.

Edo tensi Madara knows that the prophecy that was foretold to him isnt quite the same since, he has been Resurrected as a Endo tensi by Kabuto, Instead of being Resurrected back to life normal by Nagato. I think Endo tensi Madara knows this but it hasnt hit him yet that hes been a pawn...He even states this on Manga 560 pg 3. This was directed to Tobi/Madara who he knows as Black Zestu...logic!
Do you think Madara had any idea who black zetsu actually was?

And do you think madara originally had the eye of the moon plan and pitched it to tobi and he pretended thats what he wanted, or tobi persuaded madara into trying to pull the plan off? (tobi still trying to use him though)
 

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It makes sense if he is Izuna because if by some crazy reason Nagato ended up with Madara's rinnenganneyse then they originally were Izuna since Madara took his and evolvedmthem all the way up to the Rinnengan. The only thing I wonder about is what happened to Madara's original eyes. If Madara gained new light by taking Izuna's eyes, then why didn't Izuna take his after Madara gained new light?
Because madaras original eyes where just about fully blind.
 

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I think Madara knew Black Zestu before he died they actually worked together and planned this whole thing out from A to Z....They both had similar views, But!!!!Black Zestu is the puppeteer, I think he minipulated Madara, just like he did every member of Akatsuki. It was In order to reach his goal but Madara, thought they had the same goal but he will see how wrong he was in the upcoming Manga Chapters.

Views Of The Two

*Madara was and is still trying to become the host of the Juubi to become the SO6P's to cast a genjistu on the moon...for peace. Yes even as a Edo tensi

*Tobi/Madara is trying to become the Juubi again to cause total chaos.

Edo tensi Madara knows that the prophecy that was foretold to him isnt quite the same since, he has been Resurrected as a Endo tensi by Kabuto, Instead of being Resurrected back to life normal by Nagato. I think Endo tensi Madara knows this but it hasnt hit him yet that hes been a pawn...He even states this on Manga 560 pg 3. This was directed to Tobi/Madara who he knows as Black Zestu...logic!
This is logical at it's best! This might be true. TRUTH BE TOLD!
 

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the rinnegan is the beginning, and the sage of 6 paths is also. when he split his powers into two, the power of the rinnegan was also somewhat seperated (eyes & body = rinnegan power) , so to get back to the original you need to get the pieces together in order ; sharingan at its most powerful(for efficiency i guess) , senju dna, uzumaki dna etc etc.
the so6p didnt have to do this because he was born with the 'already assembled powers' as a package which came off to be rinnegan , but he split them up before his death.
The (Juubi) and The (Sage) is the begining. The Overal Yin and Yang!

This is the format from where (Eyes) and (Body) originated from:

The (Eyes) originated from The (Juubi).

The (Body) originated from The (Sage).

The Sage became the (Eyes) and (Body) when he became the host of the (Juubi)

Combing both the (Eyes) and the (Body) changed the Sage into the SO6P's.

tiptop come on think about it just a little bit more my friend...logic!
 

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Do you think Madara had any idea who black zetsu actually was?

And do you think madara originally had the eye of the moon plan and pitched it to tobi and he pretended thats what he wanted, or tobi persuaded madara into trying to pull the plan off? (tobi still trying to use him though)
I think Madara knew who Black Zestu was to a certain extent. Im not sure if Black Zestu gave him too much info, just enough.

Yes, I do think Madara originally had the eye of the moon plan, but Black Zestu pretended to be for the same cause...He has other plans and that is to Ressurect his perfect form: Juubi

Madara is still being used at this moment....logic!
 

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@KnowledgeGod, Do you still think there's a chance that Edo-Madara can somehow manage to break the Edo-Tensei & come back to life, having full control over his body? Just like Itachi.

If so, Do you think Edo-Madara will have full access to his original powers as the original person?
 

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I think Madara knew who Black Zestu was to a certain extent. Im not sure if Black Zestu gave him too much info, just enough.

Yes, I do think Madara originally had the eye of the moon plan, but Black Zestu pretended to be for the same cause...He has other plans and that is to Ressurect his perfect form: Juubi

Madara is still being used at this moment....logic!
Do you mean he is being used by kabuto?

Or is still being used by Black zetsu? If so how is he still using him. And what is he going to use him for.

[Kabuto has control of madara and it is clear that he has plans of his own.]
That being said, what do you think kabuto is trying to do?
 

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@KnowledgeGod, Do you still think there's a chance that Edo-Madara can somehow manage to break the Edo-Tensei & come back to life, having full control over his body? Just like Itachi.

If so, Do you think Edo-Madara will have full access to his original powers as the original person?
I'm hoping that he is as clever as Itachi and do find away to escape the control of Edo tensi, but Im not sure if Kabuto, will let that happen to him twice....i was thinking about this situation for two days i think....logic!
 

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I think Madara knew who Black Zestu was to a certain extent. Im not sure if Black Zestu gave him too much info, just enough.

Yes, I do think Madara originally had the eye of the moon plan, but Black Zestu pretended to be for the same cause...He has other plans and that is to Ressurect his perfect form: Juubi

Madara is still being used at this moment....logic!
You can't just say logic at the end of every single post and hope that that makes all the BS you just posted true.

1.) you have no proof that black zetsu is the 10th tail of the juubi.
none whatsoever, that is your guess, and not a good one, imo.

2.) Izuna is not proven to be dead. The only proof you have that he MIGHT be dead is a picture of a body in a coffin that MIGHT be Izuna from the story Tobi tells Sasuke. We know for a FACT that Tobi lied his ass off during that story to Sasuke. He said the Kyuubi attack on the village was an ACCIDENT.
We know for a fact that he instigated that conflict when he stole the Kyuubi from Kushina and was defeated by Minato. Not only that, lets say that you are pretending to be your dead brother, Madara Uchiha. What better disguise than to claim your own death, rendering you a completely unlikely culprit? Basically the only proof that you have of Izuna's death came from Izuna himself while he was lying to Sasuke...thats not very good.

3.) Black and White Zetsu are a creation of Tobi's that were probably created from the dead bodies of Hashirama and Madara. He most likely used Izanagi to create them and give them life. His powerful and ever obedient servants.
Here, Zetsu is described by the author of the series to be potentially not even a human. He is also labeled as "The Magician's Assistant"

Zetsu has never shown his own initiative, he is always being led around and told what to do. He is a servant, and its probably as simple as that.

4.) No one has had more motive for these actions, or more ability to pretend to be Madara Uchiha, than Izuna Uchiha.

No one has more right to be upset over Madara's death than his own brother. He sacrificed his eyes so that Madara could become more powerful and bring praise to the Uchiha name...here are some examples.

a.) Madara was betrayed by his own clan, they wouldn't support him and wanted peace, those pussies. (this explains Tobi's grudge against Uchiha, and why Tobi/Izuna participated in the clan's annihilation with Itachi)

b.) Madara was defeated by Senju, who always stood in their way, taking the power and the spotlight away from them. (this explains Tobi's grudge against Senju, and the will of fire, helping us understand his attempt to destroy Konoha using the Kyuubi, until he was stopped by Minato.)

c.) Tobi claimed that Nagato's rinnengan were "my eyes". (this makes sense if we see that Madara had Izuna's eyes, turned them into rinnengan, and then were placed in Nagato, that makes them Izuna's eyes all along)

d.) Tobi intends to cast the most powerful genjutsu ever seen on the entire world, thus making them all his slaves to command. (this makes sense if we try to understand that Izuna has been around since the very first ninja war. he would be most likely to realize that peace is impossible, there will always be fighting. his attempt to control everyone is a last ditch effort from a desperate man to have the power to be able to create the peace.)

e.) Tobi is an eye collector, we have seen his collection and we know that he does eye transplants because he gave Sasuke Itachi's eyes. We also know that he attempted to claim Shisui's eye from Danzo, and was pretty pissed when he found out Danzo destroyed it before his death. (this makes sense from someone like Izuna, who else would become a psycho eye collector and do eye transplants all the time besides some crazy son of a bitch who gave his own eyes to his brother?)

f.) Tobi is a good enough Madara impersonator that he has fooled even people who KNEW the real Madara. Tsuchikage recognizes his edo tensei immediately. The only way you could fool an epic kage like that is to be so similar in traits that even the discerning eye wouldnt notice. (Izuna is the only one who knew Madara enough to pretend to be him, and also to physically resemble him in almost every detail. Height, Weight, Voice, Hair Color, Etc. Izuna was almost a perfect copy of Madara, he is the only one that could pull this ruse off)

g.) Tobi has known intimate details about Madara, Izuna, Hashirama, The Juubi, The So6P, the Sharingan, the Rinnengan, Izanagi and much much more.
(the only person who could know all that is Izuna Uchiha, he had a firsthand account of most of it. I wouldnt be surprised if he even witnessed the battle between Madara and Hashirama.)

h.) Tobi has obviously been claiming to be Madara Uchiha, but for what reason? Who would claim to be a dead guy? Who would do all these things and not want the credit for them? Who would tell a dying woman that he is someone other than he pretends to be? (Only a psychotic villain who had given his sight to his brother who's had been unjustly killed would assume his brother's identity and wreak havoc on the world in revenge. He might even truly believe he is Madara Uchiha, if this impersonation has gone on as long as I think it has.)

i.) Everyone has guessed that Tobi is Madara Uchiha.
Itachi, Minato, Kisame, Kakashi, etc.
(the only person who could fool all these people into believe that Tobi is Madara is Izuna. No one else would have the ability to fool these highly respected ninjas.)

I could probably continue, but whats the point....
If you aren't getting it, you aren't going to...
There is a LOT of new information in this chapter that points to Izuna as well.
Instead of Logic, lets try COMMONSENSE for a while.

And just as a final note, for all you doujutsu monkey's out there.
The sharingan, rinnengan, byakugan crap is all exactly that...CRAP.
The Juubi cannot be controlled by a doujutsu, that is retarded.
The So6P on his dying bed chose the younger son to be his successor.
Why? Because that son knew that LOVE was the strongest power of all.
LOVE is what allows Naruto and Bee to be jinchuurikis. To be able to contain a damn demon inside of them is something that turds like Madara, Izuna, Kabuto, Sasuke will never be able to do. Their cores are hollow and weak.
Naruto will become the new host of the Juubi, just like the So6P.
Only his determination and love for others will give him the power to control a monster of that magnitude. THAT is why the So6P chose the younger son.
THAT is why Naruto is the name of the show, and THAT is why all the stupid ass doujutsu's in the world will never come close to the strength of LOVE.
It can help contain the demons inside of us all. Thanks Kishi, youre the man! <3
 
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Do you mean he is being used by kabuto?

Or is still being used by Black zetsu? If so how is he still using him. And what is he going to use him for.

[Kabuto has control of madara and it is clear that he has plans of his own.]
That being said, what do you think kabuto is trying to do?
Edo tensi Madara is still continuing with the plan....Black Zestu is still using him he dont even realize it fully yet..

Kabuto is also using him Edo tensi Madara is under his control

What is Black Zestu using Edo tensi Madara for? He needed Madara to bring the Body of the Juubi back to earth from the moon...but plans changed when Nagato died. Black Zestu is not actually using him because he dont need him, but the twist to this is Edo tensi Madara dosent know hes been replaced. So hes still going with the plan...so hes being used still

So this is what Tobi/Madara did he modified his body to a SO6P's form... incorperating both a Sharingan and Rinnegan....He added Six bodyguards to protect him while he proceed with the plan of bringing the body of the Juubi back to earth from the moon.... He's not even aware that Kabuto resurrected Madara....

This means Kabuto has his own plan and hes trying to double cross Tobi/Madara.....logic!
 
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