[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 560 Discussion and 561 Predictions

[dawn101]

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OMG that is what you call a great chap!!!

 

[mushidama]

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guy's i think i know who tobi really is its the second hokage look at his name Tobirama Senju his first name spelled tobi rama and the reason he can use the space time jutsu because theres proof he is a user of the jutsu besides minato heres the proof.... As the Second Hokage, Tobirama was undoubtedly an immensely powerful shinobi. He was the creator of the Summoning: Impure World Resurrection technique; however, some time after its creation he labelled it as a kinjutsu and never mastered it himself, though he did use it enough for it to be recognised by other Kage.[2] By simply touching the ground with his index finger in one instance, he could detect the presence and number of enemy shinobi.[3] and according to Minato, Tobirama was also very skilled in Space–time jutsu....

 

[mushidama]

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guys there's no proof what so ever that madara can do space time jutsu..
(うちはマダラ, Uchiha Madara)
Debut
Manga Chapter #385
Anime Naruto Shippūden Episode #135
Video Game Naruto Shippūden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 2
Appears in Anime, Manga and Game
Personal
Birthdate December 24
Gender Male
Age Deceased
Kekkei Genkai
Sharingan
Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan
Rinnegan
Occupation
Co-founder of Konohagakure
Leader of the Uchiha clan
Affiliation Konohagakure
Clan Uchiha clan
[hide] Family
Izuna Uchiha (Younger brother)
[hide] Nature Type
Fire Release
[hide]Jutsu
Amaterasu (Manga only)
Blocking Technique Absorption Seal (Manga only)
Fire Release: Great Fire Annihilation (Manga only)
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Preta Path (Manga only)
Susanoo (Manga only)
Tsukuyomi (Manga only)
[hide]Tools
Gunbai
Sword
Madara Uchiha (うちはマダラ, Uchiha Madara) was the leader of the Uchiha clan prior to the formation of Konohagakure.[2]
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Background Edit

Madara as he appeared during Konoha's founding.
Before the era of ninja villages, Madara was the most gifted member of the Uchiha clan. Even by his clan's standards, Madara's chakra was unusually strong. He grew up constantly competing and training with his younger brother, Izuna Uchiha. In their efforts to surpass the other, each gained their own Mangekyō Sharingan. With the power of the Mangekyō the two brothers took control of the clan, with Madara acting as its leader. Under his leadership, the clan conquered all they came across. Because of the never-ending series of battles of the time, Madara eventually began to suffer from overuse of the Mangekyō Sharingan, leaving him blind. In order to regain his sight he took Izuna's eyes for himself, granting him an "eternal" Mangekyō Sharingan with which he led the Uchiha to prosperity. While Itachi Uchiha would later go on to state that Madara took Izuna's eyes without his consent, it is[/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide]

 

[kill3rm2k23]

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more to the point how did the 3rd beat hashirama that beat that super overpowered madara whilst also fighting tobirama haha. hmm I dont know how i feel about the rinnegan thing ---> o well at least the sharigan is better than rinnegan threads are now dead haha WOO HOO.

Gaara was awesome again, why didnt oonoko do that before to his sand. Also madaras rock is maaaaaaaaaaaasive someone has to die from it

could a byukugan user get good enough to acquire a sharigan, that would be weirder than a sharigan turning into a rinnegan ??

I think Orchimaru technique are not same like Kabuto...

Hmm. i guest Obito is a masked man...

 

[tigeris242002]

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This is my theory. If you remember back that Kabuto kidnapped Capt. Yamato and took him back to there hideout. I think he lied to tobi and told him he got yamato to make Zetsu stronger but in reality he used Yamato's cells and put them into Madara's body. This is what I think is meant by him making Madara's body stonger than what he was at his prime. I think he did it so he has so6p body and eyes. This is why he said this is what it feels like to touch a fragment of that god's power. To say that he almost put the so6p together. Also there is no way Tobi could be Madara because Madara talks in this chapter as if it is a completely different person and he knows who Tobi really is. I think it is Madera's brother Izuna. If you read the manga you get conflicting stories about what happened with his brother. I think Tobi is Izuna because Madara has his eyes and that is why you see Tobi with a lot of Uchiha eyes because he was trying to regain what he had before his brother took them and now he has what was taken from him the rennegan.

 

[serpiente clan]

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This is my theory. If you remember back that Kabuto kidnapped Capt. Yamato and took him back to there hideout. I think he lied to tobi and told him he got yamato to make Zetsu stronger but in reality he used Yamato's cells and put them into Madara's body. This is what I think is meant by him making Madara's body stonger than what he was at his prime. I think he did it so he has so6p body and eyes. This is why he said this is what it feels like to touch a fragment of that god's power. To say that he almost put the so6p together. Also there is no way Tobi could be Madara because Madara talks in this chapter as if it is a completely different person and he knows who Tobi really is. I think it is Madera's brother Izuna. If you read the manga you get conflicting stories about what happened with his brother. I think Tobi is Izuna because Madara has his eyes and that is why you see Tobi with a lot of Uchiha eyes because he was trying to regain what he had before his brother took them and now he has what was taken from him the rennegan.

good theory man this ois the true so that meas oly madara can use has the rinnegan

 

[MartinRico]

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Madara and Hashirama were rivals, so the brothers could have been rivals too, Tobi (Izuna) probably came up with the name as a joke to tobirama

 

[MartinRico]

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also Izuna could have fought Tobirama and learned his space-time jutsu from that fight

 

[Rocklee31]

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another thing why couldnt the Sharingan become the Rinnegan if the sage gave his eyes to his son, and it became a bloodline trait. then why doesnt the sharingan look like the rinnegan from the start. its clear that the rinnegan is just the highest form of the sharingan at this point.

Not sure I agree. At no point did Nagato show that he could read the moves of anyone he faught, only that he shared a field of vision with others. If that was the case he would have mimicked the seals made by others the way Kakashi does to throw them off, or show an incredible speed to using seals and he never did. I think Sharingan-->EMS are the only eyes with those types of abilities, they are more used for Genjutsu, where as the Rin has more physical attributes in terms of Ninjutsu on higher lvls.

 

[LeeB123]

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also Izuna could have fought Tobirama and learned his space-time jutsu from that fight

Or maybe just maybe they both new it from the start so they fought against each other from the get go both using this type of jutsu madara seems to brutal to ever use something like the space time jutsu anyhow so it would make sense.

 

[seppukusan]

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So it seems with all the crazy stuff we've seen from madara and itachi that they, and whoever is behind the mask, are extremely overpowered.

Coming into this I thought naruto was just gonna rape with nine-tail chakra. but after this...I feel like kishi is gonna have to revamp naruto again.
Nine-tails mode does not look like it competes with edo madara, let alone whoever is in the mask. Think it will just be TBB?

cause GOD DAMN i wish they would show Naruto master another chakra element. water, wood, fire, earth... anything....I mean sage and nine tails are cool, but lets see some variety in justus huh

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

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Now we will know the true extend of Madara's power, and Madara progressed to the Rinnegan which is also quite an interesting revelation because now there may be a slight chance that Sasuke might do it as well.

 

[tiptop]

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nahh kishi went too fast, he should have showed us madaras ems powers first , because we all know the rinnegan powers already and i wanna see something new!!

 

[blackamateratsu]

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kabuto is pretty smart decyphering madaras body code jst amazing cant wait till nxt weekO.O:kakashi:

 

[Naruto So6p]

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Simply amazing how the plot is twisted.. Want to see if the next episode wil lreveal more secret powers of madara and the one who is under the mask and calling him madara.

 

[Shotoetoe]

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There's a lot of planned intent discovered in this chapter.

The secret stone slab, contains the secrets to Madara's body but it's encoded. We all know Itachi and Sasuke have read this slab, so how much do they know.

Still even more, if the slab contains Madara's knowledge on the Rinnegan as he implies when he asks Kabuto if he did decypher the slab, then we can be sure that Madara had a plan, and an obsession with the Rinnegan for a while. Why would Madara keep a secret "diary" with the information on his body, if not because he already expected it could turn out disastrous.

From all this information, I even more strongly think that Madara had been planning to 'enhance' his own body for a while. Probably from somewhere around the time of his 'presumed' last battle with Harashima. Now, it's very likely he was left half dead after the battle, but somehow managed to pull through. Then he started experimenting with Senju DNA. Very likely this is where Zetsu came into the picture.

I seriously doubt that Black Zetsu was created using Senju DNA, that's where the white ones came from. I still believe Zetsu to be a fragment of the 10 tails and it is the driving force behind Madara. The 10 tails wants to return to its former state, and to do this it needs the power of the one who split it in the first place: the sage of 6 paths.

Think about it, how would Madara know that experimenting with both DNA could awaken the Rinnegan? After all, up to that point it was a legend (even the frog sages know nothing about it apart from it being a power of the old sage). How could Madara possibly know that he could unlock it?

Simple, the 10 tails was part of the sage of 6 paths, and thus knows about his powers very well. For it to recreate a sage, which can return it to its old form, it would need to know how to go about doing this. Logically, this would be to bring back the DNA of both his sons into a single person, in this case Madara.

It started getting complicated when Madara's body started rejecting the Senju DNA and he was essentially dying. Madara had been recording all these changes on the slab so far.
Now only the 10 tails could know that the Rinnegan possessed the power to return the dead to the living world. But even it (Zetsu) fused with the essence of Madara could not perform such a powerful Jutsu. So they needed to transfer the Rinnegan to a suitable subject. Nagato, being Uzumaki and thus with powerful chakra, was the chosen child for this and Zetsu would watch over this child to make sure he could eventually return Madara to the living. This would also solve the problem of Madara's bady rejecting the Senju DNA and would make him the next sage of 6 paths. At that point, he would return the 10 tails to its old form, and this incredible beast could rage over the world, with or without Madara. I'm sure the 10 tails is withholding info about how to seal it from Madara.

The eye of the moon plan (which is just a spiffy name for bringing back the 10 tails) was not a priority for Madara imo, this is Zetsu who has since then been looking into was to return its old self without the help of Madara, making sure it could not be stopped.

At this point, edo Madara is too powerful. He is in fact the new sage in an undead form. He will only be defeated by Itachi ending the edo, but not before giving away that Tobi has his own agenda by now and must be stopped. The series will end with Naruto and Sasuke, having to work together to equal the power of the sage, and seal away the tailed demon for good. Madara wanted to be strong enough to control the world, but doesn't want to destroy it like the 10 tails wants. From the history we know about Madara, he's all about getting power and making people follow him.

Well, just my 2 cents

 

[ItachiUchihaS]

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i knew it mates that kabutos trump card was Madara Uchiha and the one behind the mask is another mysterious person

 

[kiranpatilsjce]

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here goes my theory of what transpired.

1.Madara fought Hashirama
2.Madara got some of Hashiramas DNA during the fight and with that somehow learned to activate the Rinnegan
3.To Use the Rinnegan properly,one has to have enormous amount of life giving Chakra.That's why you need the Sage "body".only an Uzumaki/Senju has this.
4.Madara revives Izuna with the Rinnegan but overexerts himself since he does not have enough life giving chakra for this.
5.Since Madara does not have enough Chakra,The Izuna that he revives is only a shell of his former self.
6.Knowing he'll die if he revive's Izuna,before his death Madara left intructions that Tobi(Izuna) has to find an Uzumaki(Nagato) and transplant the Rinnegan to him.Him being capable of using the Rinnegan properly.(or Madara did it himself before reviving Izuna,that is why he knew Nagato)
6.Once the Uzumaki(Nagato)child grows and learns to use the Rinnegan properly.He is to revive both Madara and Izuna to their prime.
7.But thing did not go according to plan,Unlike Madara which only goal is to bring the Uchiha out of the shadow of the Senju and to it's former glory.For Tobi(Izuna) it's all about revenge.Revenge to the rest of the Uchiha that betrayed them and Senju(Leaf village).In short it's like Itachi and Sasuke(Itachi=Madara and Sasuke=Izuna)
8.Kabuto and Orocimaru learned the secret of the Rinnegan and the So6P(You need Life giving Chakra of the Senju/Uzumaki to activate it and properly use it.).That's why the Sage was able to master it since he both have the eyes and body.
9.Kabuto through experimentation with Orochimaru learned to manipulate Senju DNA and gave it to Madara's body.that's why he said "you were completed to beyond what you were in your prime"
10.That is why the revived Edo-Madara is able to use the Rinnegan properly.it is also why Kabuto is claiming that he created that power.

Please tell me if there are holes in my theory.

this theory of ur's is awesome... in fact superb...

 

[narutokyubi]

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There's a lot of planned intent discovered in this chapter.

The secret stone slab, contains the secrets to Madara's body but it's encoded. We all know Itachi and Sasuke have read this slab, so how much do they know.

Still even more, if the slab contains Madara's knowledge on the Rinnegan as he implies when he asks Kabuto if he did decypher the slab, then we can be sure that Madara had a plan, and an obsession with the Rinnegan for a while. Why would Madara keep a secret "diary" with the information on his body, if not because he already expected it could turn out disastrous.

From all this information, I even more strongly think that Madara had been planning to 'enhance' his own body for a while. Probably from somewhere around the time of his 'presumed' last battle with Harashima. Now, it's very likely he was left half dead after the battle, but somehow managed to pull through. Then he started experimenting with Senju DNA. Very likely this is where Zetsu came into the picture.

I seriously doubt that Black Zetsu was created using Senju DNA, that's where the white ones came from. I still believe Zetsu to be a fragment of the 10 tails and it is the driving force behind Madara. The 10 tails wants to return to its former state, and to do this it needs the power of the one who split it in the first place: the sage of 6 paths.

Think about it, how would Madara know that experimenting with both DNA could awaken the Rinnegan? After all, up to that point it was a legend (even the frog sages know nothing about it apart from it being a power of the old sage). How could Madara possibly know that he could unlock it?

Simple, the 10 tails was part of the sage of 6 paths, and thus knows about his powers very well. For it to recreate a sage, which can return it to its old form, it would need to know how to go about doing this. Logically, this would be to bring back the DNA of both his sons into a single person, in this case Madara.

It started getting complicated when Madara's body started rejecting the Senju DNA and he was essentially dying. Madara had been recording all these changes on the slab so far.
Now only the 10 tails could know that the Rinnegan possessed the power to return the dead to the living world. But even it (Zetsu) fused with the essence of Madara could not perform such a powerful Jutsu. So they needed to transfer the Rinnegan to a suitable subject. Nagato, being Uzumaki and thus with powerful chakra, was the chosen child for this and Zetsu would watch over this child to make sure he could eventually return Madara to the living. This would also solve the problem of Madara's bady rejecting the Senju DNA and would make him the next sage of 6 paths. At that point, he would return the 10 tails to its old form, and this incredible beast could rage over the world, with or without Madara. I'm sure the 10 tails is withholding info about how to seal it from Madara.

The eye of the moon plan (which is just a spiffy name for bringing back the 10 tails) was not a priority for Madara imo, this is Zetsu who has since then been looking into was to return its old self without the help of Madara, making sure it could not be stopped.

At this point, edo Madara is too powerful. He is in fact the new sage in an undead form. He will only be defeated by Itachi ending the edo, but not before giving away that Tobi has his own agenda by now and must be stopped. The series will end with Naruto and Sasuke, having to work together to equal the power of the sage, and seal away the tailed demon for good. Madara wanted to be strong enough to control the world, but doesn't want to destroy it like the 10 tails wants. From the history we know about Madara, he's all about getting power and making people follow him.

Well, just my 2 cents

+rep dude!!!!!!!

 

[wadifak]

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awesome chapter