[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 560 Discussion and 561 Predictions

[UniversalPain]

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Here my theory to why tobi could be Izuna.. when tobi was telling sasuke that he didn't steal his brothers eyes but his brother gave it to him instead to win the war.. if that was true than when Izuna "tobi" learned that madara died in battle with the first hokage.. he got pissed and thought all that was for notthing therfore decided to find a way to eradicate the senju and put the uchiha in charge some how.. and after years of ploting we have this war!

thats a good theory but tobi is not izuna tobi is most def a body split from madara. masked madara and edo madara both have the same memories and masked madara even says he gave the rinnegan to nagato. now that we know madara activated the rinnegan we know thats how he gave it to nagato. the original madara had to of died entrusting his ressurection to his split half. he probbly activated the rinnegan after he did the body split which is why the masked madara didnt originally have the rinnegan he had both sharingans as seen when he fought conan. which is also why he cant use certain jutsu. muu's body split tech makes the body weaker the more it splits. which pretty much ties together why masked madara keeps sayings he wants to become complete. he cant do it until the other half of madara is ressurected (without edo tensei) and joined back with the masked madara.

 

[jabznaruto]

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hola mujeres!
anada awesome 5/5 chap!

the thread is again going longer. glad to be part of it... again. am very happy to see and read posts from newbies, newbabes and newga..whatesoever...

just wondering where the big guns have been..well i read from one..omnigan,,howdy dude? hope alkad, floydical,pervy nin, sasukexxx and some other great minds i have to remember..could join the forum from time to time. i hope they are enjoying the latest chaps as well....

let me pitch in ...
here i go

a. important thoughts from the chap
1. madara is still weak, contrary to what kabuto is telling us. a wider range katon, lengendary speed, two faced susanoo, lastly a rinnegan are not enough (for me) to prove edo-madara is that strong. his last jutsu could not be chibaku tensei. i say nagato's chibaku is more powerful. edo-madara is getting help from gravity...why could he just envelop the division to that chibaku of his..than hurl it down to the group? i say it will be dissipated by sand, jinton and rasenshuriken...
2. muu should be eliminated. kabuto is communicating with the edo-madara through him. muu cant use the jinton yet - in split form. the alliance should have known this.
3. madara died. this has been explicitly conveyed by the edo-madara.

b. more important observations from the chap
1. edo-madara has the rinnegan. madara awakened it just before his death during the fight with hashirama. this means, he was not able to use the rinnegan against the mighty hashirama.
2. muu's split status gave us the idea that madara could have splitted himself as he was near death, and that his split-self is now "tobi-madara". tobi-madara as a shell of the prime madara. and i guess rinnegan powers could do this splitting identity..but not a dying soul...
3. hashirama defeated madara, knew madara died, controlled the splitted juubi monsters including the most powerful kyuubi, then distributed the monsters among the nations for "peace and control" purposes.

c. most important predictions since i joined the forum:
1. sasuke....for him to awaken the "rinnegan" must die...i hope by Naruto's hand as his greatest rival. but Naruto wont let him die. they still have to help each other to battle a complete madara. Naruto will give half of his life to sasuke --this will be explained as the chaps progress.
2. edo-madara will have to face "tobi-madara". edo madara let us see some move, inadequate show from kishi...not enough to impress my young mind..it was like not seeing "kakashi's rampage". edo-madara was good to use the rinnegan against "rashenshuriken and the lighter sands" ---but this was the flaw of the chap ---- "how did madara knew the use of the rinnegan when he died right after awakening the power?" some would surely reply to me -- madara simply read it from the hidden scrolls and tablets..again? i sometimes don't buy it. you realy cannot use a power unless you have tried it before..so, perhaps, madara did not die "immediately" right after the battle with hashirama...as tobi-madara. but madara's soul went to the pure world -- that i am very sure. another thing, edo-madara's susanoo looked weaker compared to that of sasuke's evil ems susanoo. edo-madara facing tobi-madara will end the threads/preds of who tobi really is. the preds are left unchanged by this chap, i believed.
3. Naruto must confront the kyuubi. Naruto must have the unconditional cooperation of the fox. i believe, this is the last ace Naruto has; to really defeat the overpowering axis powers of kabuto and tobi-madara with their terror legions especially edo-madara. Naruto unlocking the kyuubi's will could start a new era in the manga. power versus powers of greater magnitude. here we will see how kishi would sustain the excitement and thrill.
imagine a Naruto transforming into a full kyuubi mode then using TBB, then switching to sage mode, then fusing with ma and pa frog using that deadly genjutsu...am sure edo-madara will be owned, even sasuke with his new ems.
4. i really think sasuke will not have to be near death to awaken "rinnegan" eyes. edo-madara now has "no" senju dna -- except if kabuto used a zetsu clone (hehe...foolish i say...wtf*#@). i also believe byakugan is the basic, sharingan as the cursed, and rinnegan as the most powerful ...again, depending upon the user. Could Naruto awaken a byakugan, or a sharingan, or a rinnegan...i guess this is as BS as "tobi is madara preds" (har har)... but is "remotely possible"...yeah come on, get me here...
5. lastly, the "paths" thread should be dead after this chap. madara awakened the rinnegan. this clearly mean that the so6p could have had the byakugan, then the sharingan and ultimately the rinnegan(what you say dudes?). the so6p battled the juubi and defeated the monster WITH THE RINNEGAN EYES OF HIS already. the so6p did not get the set of rinnegan eyes from the juubi, and THAT THE JUUBI IS NOT ONE OF THE PATHS. keener observation from the manga would tell us that the juubi had that "sharingan-rinnegan mixture of eyes".
6. kabuto still amazes me. but he really is just a sidekick. good as robin for batman or sparring partner of a boxer. if itachi catches him, he is dead. itachi decoding that handseals to diffuse or undo the iwr summon,,,bye bye edo-madara. but, kabuto is not that stupid i think..hehe
7. i still salivate to know more re madara's power. i still love this manga could reach until iwr is possible for the so6p...and know/witness his mighty powers.

let us bring it on....hope you read the long post dudes

hasta otra!!!!!

 

[Furyofninetails]

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Now this is what I think.......Tobi has all the other uchia eyes be cause he didn't want too many ms members around hence ems at any time with overpowered uchias who would blow is secrets by making other ninja knowing how to deal with his jutsu (obviously some would be weaker than some and still be defeated easily in a Kage level battle) and stall his plans thats y nagato was given his eyes ( strong wielder no one could beat him easily) itachi was needed for his plans also he is a strong wielder.... My prediction is that some way or the other he needs kakaishi eye and is planning to take it back and is planning to resurrect ten tails using the brothers in the sealing pot with the nine tails power (it's gona b for a short while tho since the real hosts of eight and nine tails are still alive)

 

[UniversalPain]

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Not possible and order for Naruto to obtain the Rinnegan he would have to be the host of the Juubi like the Original SO6P or Implant already made Rinnegans eyes...logic!

the so6p already had the rinnegan before sealing the juubi inside of him. when he sealed the juubi inside of hum he assumed control of the juubis eyes, the sharinnegan. one way im sure is because the so6p oldest son inherited his rinnegan and his chakra. if the sage didnt have the rinnegn before sealing the juubi inside him then that means the only doujutsu the oldest son would have recieved would be the sharinnegan which cannot be posessed by any human unless they are the host of the juubi.

 

[UniversalPain]

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Now this is what I think.......Tobi has all the other uchia eyes be cause he didn't want too many ms members around hence ems at any time with overpowered uchias who would blow is secrets by making other ninja knowing how to deal with his jutsu (obviously some would be weaker than some and still be defeated easily in a Kage level battle) and stall his plans thats y nagato was given his eyes ( strong wielder no one could beat him easily) itachi was needed for his plans also he is a strong wielder.... My prediction is that some way or the other he needs kakaishi eye and is planning to take it back and is planning to resurrect ten tails using the brothers in the sealing pot with the nine tails power (it's gona b for a short while tho since the real hosts of eight and nine tails are still alive)

well not just any two uchiha brothers could trade mangekyous and have the ems. this was stated in the manga. countless uchiha members lost their lives in search for the ems.

 

[UniversalPain]

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Come to think of it? Who has actually seen Tobi with the EMS!............

Theories
I think Madara is aware of Tobi... Somehow or at least knows that he is calling himself Madara. Because when he was revived he would have liked to know who summoned him.

Kabuto is a D***... I hate him. But he will be cool to use in the new Naruto game

Tobi also has to be somebody Old (He has been doing things for a while now. Like The Mizukage that had the Bijuu. Attack on Konoha. And I think at some point the Nine tails Fox Talked about him). So I doubt he is Obito. He is most likely sing some Orochimaru techniques to stay alive: Because at some point he talks like he like he knew him.

Random Theory right now: He might be Izuna. What if taking the MS from you brother was not physical. It might have been like when Itachi gave Sasuke powers by touch. It might have just taken his MS to a normal Sharingan. #AmJustSaying

Maybe Tobi is actually a double of Madara because Madara may have passed on the Rinnegan to Tobi... So that he would give it to Nagato to develop it due to his Uzumaki blood and stuff. That is why Tobi kept saying "My Eyes"

These are just things that popped into my head. Please respond. Lemme hear your toughts!

when they showed the chapter of minato fighting tobi while he controled the nine tails. he had the ems then.

 

[UniversalPain]

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I Agree! your on to something my friend... I think the Sage was a Hyuga, and thats where the Byakugan falls into the scheme of things. I think when he obtained the 10 tails Juubi Rinnegan/Sharingan eyes of the beast when he became his host... I dont think the eldest son developed the Rinnegan he just develope the Sharingan. Think about it his only sibling was his younger brother who had the will and the Body of his father SO6P, not the eyes so he couldnt advance his eyes that far to obtain the Rinnegan. But as time past his legacy = Uchiha clan begin two grow, and this is where the story of Madara and his younger brother Izuna comes into play. Logic

well the uchiha and senju are descendants of the eldest and youngest sons of the so6p. so that means the eldest had to inherit the rinnegan not the sharingan.

 

[UniversalPain]

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you are claiming information you dont even know for fact.
you have absolutely no solid proof that Hashirama defeated Madara.
no proof whatsoever.
we have no idea how that fight TRULY ended.
Did Hashirama live after the fight? Wheres the evidence?
Maybe they both died, maybe only one of them died, maybe neither one died.
Where's the real truth? You dont have it, so don't go claiming.

And I am totally SICK of seeing people dissing on Hashirama and Tobirama because of their edo fight with Orochimaru vs Hiruzen. That fight proves nothing other than the 3rd Hokage deserves to be the most respected ninja ever. He single handedly defeated two VERY powerful edos and Orochimaru at his prime. The third hokage won that fight by sacrificing his very soul to the death god. He sealed them away, which is the only way he could have ever hoped to defeat them. It was the one way that Orochimaru didn't ever consider. He had no clue that Hiruzen would summon the death god. Hashirama and Tobiramas strength is not in debate here. They were defeated by the most powerful ninjutsu summon we have ever seen. Its only been used twice that we know of. Once by Minato on the Kyuubi, and once by Hiruzen on Hashirama, Tobirama, and Orochimarus arms. Orochimaru would have most likely killed everyone in Konoha if the third hokage hadn't done that. Thats how strong he and the two edos were. You think they are weak because they lost to one old man? Youre an idiot. He sacrificed HIS SOUL for this ninjutsu. He sent them(himself and his FRIENDS) to torment forever within the death gods belly, endlessly battling, for eternity. You'd think that meant something to you damn ingrate idiots, but I guess not. Apparently its all about who won, and thats all strength is. Youre illiterate drivel is enough to make me ill. Thank god your life is so simple.

Great Chap BTW
Tobi is Izuna
There is no doubt in my mind.
It's the only explanation that is bulletproof.

well i guess tha chapter that showed izuna in a coffin doesnt hold any weight

 

[UniversalPain]

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The Senju clan is not the good guys or the bad guys. The same goes for the Uchiha clan.

I just think when it comes to obtaining the forbidden eyes of the 10 tails Juubi Rinnegan you start to lose yourself into the darkness. The darkness is Black Zestu. Black Zestu is that 10th tail into a human form, that was separated from the Juubi into Bijuus.

Logic!!!! Let's apply subtraction here... If the Juubi had 10 tails and you subtract 9. How many do you have left? Please don't say the other tail is the body that's in the moon....

black zetsu is the other half of white zetsu. since thats the case what does that make white zetsu?it doesnt make sense to turn the tenth tail into a human form and be half of something else. if zetsu were the "tenth tail" then he would be way more powerful and alot more relevant in the story aside from being tobis pawn. thats just my opinion though.

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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hola mujeres!
anada awesome 5/5 chap!

the thread is again going longer. glad to be part of it... again. am very happy to see and read posts from newbies, newbabes and newga..whatesoever...

just wondering where the big guns have been..well i read from one..omnigan,,howdy dude? hope alkad, floydical,pervy nin, sasukexxx and some other great minds i have to remember..could join the forum from time to time. i hope they are enjoying the latest chaps as well....

let me pitch in ...
here i go

a. important thoughts from the chap
1. madara is still weak, contrary to what kabuto is telling us. a wider range katon, lengendary speed, two faced susanoo, lastly a rinnegan are not enough (for me) to prove edo-madara is that strong. his last jutsu could not be chibaku tensei. i say nagato's chibaku is more powerful. edo-madara is getting help from gravity...why could he just envelop the division to that chibaku of his..than hurl it down to the group? i say it will be dissipated by sand, jinton and rasenshuriken...
2. muu should be eliminated. kabuto is communicating with the edo-madara through him. muu cant use the jinton yet - in split form. the alliance should have known this.
3. madara died. this has been explicitly conveyed by the edo-madara.

b. more important observations from the chap
1. edo-madara has the rinnegan. madara awakened it just before his death during the fight with hashirama. this means, he was not able to use the rinnegan against the mighty hashirama.
2. muu's split status gave us the idea that madara could have splitted himself as he was near death, and that his split-self is now "tobi-madara". tobi-madara as a shell of the prime madara. and i guess rinnegan powers could do this splitting identity..but not a dying soul...
3. hashirama defeated madara, knew madara died, controlled the splitted juubi monsters including the most powerful kyuubi, then distributed the monsters among the nations for "peace and control" purposes.

c. most important predictions since i joined the forum:
1. sasuke....for him to awaken the "rinnegan" must die...i hope by Naruto's hand as his greatest rival. but Naruto wont let him die. they still have to help each other to battle a complete madara. Naruto will give half of his life to sasuke --this will be explained as the chaps progress.
2. edo-madara will have to face "tobi-madara". edo madara let us see some move, inadequate show from kishi...not enough to impress my young mind..it was like not seeing "kakashi's rampage". edo-madara was good to use the rinnegan against "rashenshuriken and the lighter sands" ---but this was the flaw of the chap ---- "how did madara knew the use of the rinnegan when he died right after awakening the power?" some would surely reply to me -- madara simply read it from the hidden scrolls and tablets..again? i sometimes don't buy it. you realy cannot use a power unless you have tried it before..so, perhaps, madara did not die "immediately" right after the battle with hashirama...as tobi-madara. but madara's soul went to the pure world -- that i am very sure. another thing, edo-madara's susanoo looked weaker compared to that of sasuke's evil ems susanoo. edo-madara facing tobi-madara will end the threads/preds of who tobi really is. the preds are left unchanged by this chap, i believed.
3. Naruto must confront the kyuubi. Naruto must have the unconditional cooperation of the fox. i believe, this is the last ace Naruto has; to really defeat the overpowering axis powers of kabuto and tobi-madara with their terror legions especially edo-madara. Naruto unlocking the kyuubi's will could start a new era in the manga. power versus powers of greater magnitude. here we will see how kishi would sustain the excitement and thrill.
imagine a Naruto transforming into a full kyuubi mode then using TBB, then switching to sage mode, then fusing with ma and pa frog using that deadly genjutsu...am sure edo-madara will be owned, even sasuke with his new ems.
4. i really think sasuke will not have to be near death to awaken "rinnegan" eyes. edo-madara now has "no" senju dna -- except if kabuto used a zetsu clone (hehe...foolish i say...wtf*#@). i also believe byakugan is the basic, sharingan as the cursed, and rinnegan as the most powerful ...again, depending upon the user. Could Naruto awaken a byakugan, or a sharingan, or a rinnegan...i guess this is as BS as "tobi is madara preds" (har har)... but is "remotely possible"...yeah come on, get me here...
5. lastly, the "paths" thread should be dead after this chap. madara awakened the rinnegan. this clearly mean that the so6p could have had the byakugan, then the sharingan and ultimately the rinnegan(what you say dudes?). the so6p battled the juubi and defeated the monster WITH THE RINNEGAN EYES OF HIS already. the so6p did not get the set of rinnegan eyes from the juubi, and THAT THE JUUBI IS NOT ONE OF THE PATHS. keener observation from the manga would tell us that the juubi had that "sharingan-rinnegan mixture of eyes".
6. kabuto still amazes me. but he really is just a sidekick. good as robin for batman or sparring partner of a boxer. if itachi catches him, he is dead. itachi decoding that handseals to diffuse or undo the iwr summon,,,bye bye edo-madara. but, kabuto is not that stupid i think..hehe
7. i still salivate to know more re madara's power. i still love this manga could reach until iwr is possible for the so6p...and know/witness his mighty powers.

let us bring it on....hope you read the long post dudes

hasta otra!!!!!

Things I will like to point out...

1. Edo tensi,Madara is not weak! He's just not going to be as strong as Nagato! Because he don't contain the life force energy and the body of a Senju. I think as an Uchiha he has reached the limits of their powers. Powers meaning eye's

2. Tobi/ Madara is the strongest character in the manga at this point. I will post facts on who he really is.

3. The Sage original eyes before he became the host of the Juubi was the Byakugan. When he became the host he obtained the Juubi's Omnigan but in both eyes.

I like your post because it's well thought out... Your good! Logic!

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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the so6p already had the rinnegan before sealing the juubi inside of him. when he sealed the juubi inside of hum he assumed control of the juubis eyes, the sharinnegan. one way im sure is because the so6p oldest son inherited his rinnegan and his chakra. if the sage didnt have the rinnegn before sealing the juubi inside him then that means the only doujutsu the oldest son would have recieved would be the sharinnegan which cannot be posessed by any human unless they are the host of the juubi.

The Sage didn't have the Rinnegan before he fought the 10 tails Juubi... He wasn't even the SO6P until he became the host of the Juubi.... Look at the Juubi Omnigan. After he became the host he became the SO6P's, The creator of the Ninja World.... Creator!!!!!!! What technique creates life and whatever you can imagine? Izanagi....The SO6P's sons came after he became the host of the Juubi not before....logic!!!

 

[rasenrengan1]

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does anyone know how to add an animated gift as your avatar

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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well the uchiha and senju are descendants of the eldest and youngest sons of the so6p. so that means the eldest had to inherit the rinnegan not the sharingan.

Let me break it down to you my friend... The oldest son inherited the SO6P's eyes indeed, but it was at it's lowest level Sharingan but it could eventually adavance itself through the proper steps and conditions to become the Rinnegan... But unfortunately The Eldest brother couldnt advance his eyes past MS mode... Reason? Is because his younger brother didn't inherit the eyes, he obtained the life force and the body of the SO6P's... This means he didn't have another set of eyes to exchange so his MS can advance to become the EMS... You see where I'm going with this? Logic!!!

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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well i guess tha chapter that showed izuna in a coffin doesnt hold any weight

Exactly! Izuna Uchiha is Dead! It clearly shows him in a ceremonial coffin with eyes wrapped and his arms crossed above his chest.... That symbolized that he was at peace...logic!!!

 

[jabznaruto]

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Things I will like to point out...

1. Edo tensi,Madara is not weak! He's just not going to be as strong as Nagato! Because he don't contain the life force energy and the body of a Senju. I think as an Uchiha he has reached the limits of their powers. Powers meaning eye's
i bet you he is weaker than you thought. will be weaker than what i meant "weak" when kabuto twitches him to control his powers. this will happen because kabuto is stupid..agree? should kabuto do not, i pred that edo-madara will free himself out of iwr. upon doing so, he will be sealed. but i agree with you on that nagato is more powerful than him --- why, because edo-madara is under iwr...a summon...and he is in disarray mentally. his rinnegan powers havent reached the limits...but i think we could no longer see those limits...like what we saw on his ems power. but his susanoo is a beast plus that rinnegan activated...imagine, rinnegan with susanoo --- that is something new --- but weak enough to impress me.

2. Tobi/ Madara is the strongest character in the manga at this point. I will post facts on who he really is.
not as strong as Naruto. why, he could not fight all by himself. he has the jinchs in tow...scary...but not as powerful as the the Naruto clones eh.

3. The Sage original eyes before he became the host of the Juubi was the Byakugan. When he became the host he obtained the Juubi's Omnigan but in both eyes.
am also clinging to this...but still a wait and see pred. we will have to give kabuto a chance to summon the so6p...to see his powers...hope we will get it sooner than never...

I like your post because it's well thought out... Your good! Logic!
thanks dude, read your posts as well...keep going...add more stuffs!!!


til next knowledge..!

how about now?

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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black zetsu is the other half of white zetsu. since thats the case what does that make white zetsu?it doesnt make sense to turn the tenth tail into a human form and be half of something else. if zetsu were the "tenth tail" then he would be way more powerful and alot more relevant in the story aside from being tobis pawn. thats just my opinion though.

The 10th tail of the Juubi into human form... Human form is key!!!! Not a tail beast form...human form... That's why Tobi saids he's only a weaker shell of himself...he needs all the the tailed beast to become the Juubi again.

White Zestu had a whole body and Black Zestu had a whole body but they split themselves into two halfs. They merged as halfs....

1. The first merges of halfs became: Black/White Zestu

2. The second merges of halfs became Tobi/Madara

Logic!

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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how about now?

1. I don't think Kabuto can control him. I really don't think Kabuto is trying to...I think Edo Madara purpose now is to snatch the body of the Juubi from the moon back to earth.

2. The reason I say he's stronger than anybody so far especially Naruto. Because I think I know who he is... Crazy spoiler I'm a post it shortly to explain...

3. *That's the only explanation that I could find on how the, Byakugan has ties to the Sharingan. Logic

Yeah thanks Bro! I'm a post my theory to explain # 2 Tobi

*

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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Theories and Predictions about Tobi

Why do White Zestu *address Madara as Tobi?

The definition of Tobi means: Construction.

The definition of Construction means: the creation of a construct; the process of combining ideas into a congruous object of thought.

Creation? Juubi *a complex entity constructed of many parts;

1. Black Zestu = The 10th tail of the 10 tails Juubi in a human machine form. He knows everything because he's the beginning.

2. White Zestu = Hashirama clone powerful *source of energy with it's own personality who is able to copy an exact copy of his host. The Host = Madara. So this means he now talks, sounds, and even has the same chakra pattern of his copied host.

Black Zestu represents Yin : is the darker element, is passive, dark, feminine, downward-seeking, and corresponds to the night;. Sounds familiar ? Juubi *

White Zestu represents Yang : Is the brighter element, is active, light, masculine, upward-seeking and corresponds to the day; Sounds familiar? Sage....logic!

 

[aluko]

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madara susano was just too crazy cool manga can't wait for nxt week.

 

[Downforwardx]

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KnowlegeGod

If tobi got hashirama's DNA from the fight at valley of the end. Then used that to make the white zetsu. How is tobi made up of the white zetsu "cloning as" madara.

If it was tobi that got the dna, what was he before the "white zetsu" was available for him to use.