[Predictions] Naruto Manga 591 Discussion and 592 Predictions

[cyco22]

realy nice

 

[SharRinnegan]

it is simple hashirama and tobiirama donot want a immortal life same goes for itachi.

 

[SharRinnegan]

I thnik madara will not waste more time on kage he will launch an large scale attack n kage and took off the kage would be savd by tsunade b/c of chakra she received.

 

[tsuyaraba]

what's wrong with u guys ???? when kisi talks bullshit u guys blv it but when i come up with a logical explanation u guys think i troll.

jsut imagine how on earth madara learned edo tensei .???? pure bullshit outta no where

think about it this way: since the creator of edo tensei was around during madara's time, senjus being uchihas rival and all, then its highly likely he would have been able to learn a whole lot about the technique, its advantages, disadvantages etc.

 

[kamate]

Don't know if someone has said this but Tobirama never used Endo, he was the inventor of Death Seal that Minato used on 9 tails and Hiruzen used on 1st and 2nd and Orichimaru's arms.

:sy: Tobirama was not the inventor of the reaper Death seal. These special seals are from the uzumaki clan.

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Mega plot hole!!!!! If all it takes to break out of Edo Tensei is to know the seal then second Hokage should have been able to brea free from it. This is what I call pulling one out your end side without giving it much thought...

The 2nd hokage wasnt aware of his movements neither conscious of his actions as madara is.

AND...i think that exists a mistranslation in this chapter. Madara is saying that edo-tensei has a huge advantage of a immortal body and infinite chakra which make the edo release a huge pain in the ass.

But break edo tensei was his only choice. Look at madara at the final picture...he's skin has changed. He's alive but immortal any more!!!

Let me add to Pedrofausto's argument. Before the Edo tensei is put in use there are kunai talisman placed inside the raised body as explained by Kabuto. That talisman is the one that forces raised specimen to do the bidding of the user of the jutsu. The consiciousness is taken away from the specimen. Thats why Madara wasn't able to release himself from the jutsu because his consciousness was take away and so did tobirama when he used in the edo tensei. When Kabuto was forced to release the jutsu that revived the dead shinobi (edo tensei), the revived shinobi started to gain conscious and so did Madara Uchiha. the revived Tushikage mentioned his consciousness was returning here is the evidence

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do you get it now

 

[jediknite2]

Kabuto will team with sasuke to fight madara.

 

[Deuscrop]

Naruto and Kurama became friends. Do you guys believe that now we ll see Naruto using the Sage mode while fusing with the 2 elder frogs in his shoulders like Jiraya did? The reason that he couldn't do it before was because Kurama was interfering (chapter 425, page 6).

 

[squigles]

can it be explained to me why any of the kage have to die it seems to me like they are the only thing keeping Madara at bay at the moment if they go down who can take him on Naruto? Sasuke? no way there will nobody standing in his way if the kages go down....

All of them are damn annoying except for Gaara,

Sasuke's cursed mark was sealed not Oro

Except for the fact that Orochimaru was the first thing that was sealed by Itachi, followed by the cursed mark.

Tobirama was not the inventor of the reaper Death seal. These special seals are from the uzumaki clan.

Actually, Tobirama invented Edo Tensei. Not sure why anyone would confuse Edo Tensei with the Death Reaper seal.

Let me add to Pedrofausto's argument. Before the Edo tensei is put in use there are kunai talisman placed inside the raised body as explained by Kabuto. That talisman is the one that forces raised specimen to do the bidding of the user of the jutsu. The consiciousness is taken away from the specimen. Thats why Madara wasn't able to release himself from the jutsu because his consciousness was take away and so did tobirama when he used in the edo tensei. When Kabuto was forced to release the jutsu that revived the dead shinobi (edo tensei), the revived shinobi started to gain conscious and so did Madara Uchiha. the revived Tushikage mentioned his consciousness was returning here is the evidence

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do you get it now

It has nothing to do with consciousness, and everything to do with the subjects will being bound to a contract seal. Many of those who summoned by Kabuto with Edo Tensei were fully conscious.

Their souls were bound to the bodies Kabuto picked by a contract seal, and then their personalities and wills were controlled by those talismans. Again, none of this had anything to do with consciousness.

The reason why Tobirama couldn't do what Madara did, is because Orochimaru used a talisman that inhibited everything except for basic responses to orders by Oro. Kabuto even explains the way the control talismans work.

 

[el payne]

*sighs* naruto does something new,kages get suprised by madara,kabuto returns or nxt chapter perhaps,frankly I don't expect much when I hav to wait 7 dayz for 16pages *sighs depressingly* utterly troublesome *turns away nd starez @ moving cloudz*

 

[HSABOSS]

anyone noticed a resemblance in minato and dan. here is dan http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/591/13 here is minato

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[itzobi]

to be honest i only really cared about the last page:shrug:, i know people were happy to see that dan got to tlk to tsunade but i dont really care about those two lol but, what i would really like to see is more naruto vs tobi more about tobi and who he really is and what sasuke is going to do now that his brother is gone.

 

[Genjitxu]

I'm glad all of the sealed souls were allowed to ascend when edo tensei was released. I wouldn't want all those shinobi sealed up on earth for eternity...seems cruel

 

[Dark Kitsune]

i dont get how madara stayed

i shall elaborate for you... you see madara uchiha and hashirama senju were rivals, eventually they formed the village hidden in the leaves as a partnership. during this time hashirama's brother, tobirama senju(the second hokage) developed the edo tensei jutsu. it makes sense that madara would know the seals of his rivals clan, so when he himself was brought back with edo tensei, he would be able to gain control, for if the caster released the edo tensei, all madara would have to do is cancel or re-activate it himself.

thus the only way to stop madara now would be to seal his hands along with the rest of his body

 

[blackreign36]

All I have to say is told you soo I knew Madara wasn't going anywhere. Can't wait for next chapter and some damn Kages better die!!! Long Live MADARA!!!

 

[Dark Kitsune]

think about it this way: since the creator of edo tensei was around during madara's time, senjus being uchihas rival and all, then its highly likely he would have been able to learn a whole lot about the technique, its advantages, disadvantages etc.

i agree, i mean come on hashirama and madara were rivals then they joined forces, i mean its no surprise that during that time they would pool their jutsus together, especially a power hungry man like madara... that guy is a troll, he doesnt see the big picture so he lashes out on the author? bitch please

 

[sisirnaruto]

dude about ur #1 question, its answerable... you see, *IF* Tobirama DID fight Madara, then Madara could've used like really strong Genjutsu...Eternal Mangekyo..remember? but anyway, i know Tobirama was REALLY strong, but its possible that he got sloppy and maybe fell for Madara's Genjutsu, making him reveal the hand signs? or he could have read his mind or something?

 

[sisirnaruto]

But just HOW is it that Madara should have known the hand seals for release JUST BECAUSE the jutsu belonged to his rival's brother's? doesn't make much sense to me..

 

[Eisenpelz]

i dont think it has to be that tobirama revealed sth out of sloppiness or whatever.
madara knows the seals to undo the edo-contract.
only means that he understands edo-tensei to a certain extent,
but he must not have had tobiramas help to gain that knowledge...remember madara got sharingan to analyse a jutsu?

in my world its enough if madara was near that active jutsu at least once, not more and not less. the rest has to be revealed...

 

[kamate]

so as I understand that if the one who was summoned knows how to release the technique, along with the seals necessary, he can break out of the command.

this is what I understood from the speech. I wish we had better translation.

madara:
there is a risk to ET. if you know the seals you can release ET's contract. this is really dangerous (for the user, in other words kabuto in this situation). (because the user, in other words kabuto, will have to face) an undying enemy with unlimited chakra.
tell kabuto that he shouldn't use forbidden techniques carelessly.


if what I understood is true, and that's the deal why didn't tobirama break the seal off when he was summoned by orochimaru? because he was completely turned into a mindless-puppet?

nice question, plot hole once again...

Madara in the edo tensei was not allowed to go against the user of Jutsu and so did all the ninja in the Edo tensei. That is because they had talisman placed in them by kabuto. When kabuto released the edo tensei, their will was returned. that was when Madara gained the advantage. the revived tsuchikage mention his will being returned when he mentioned that his consciousness is returning

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I don't see a plot hole in this. There is something that Naruto Manga Fans and Naruto Anime fans need to know. Kishi does not work alone when developing this story. He has advisors that look through his work

Naruto or Sasuke or the both of them will defeat Madara with some help from Gaara maybe for the sealing. He's not unbeatable like everyone says but he's the closest thing possible to it.

I think kishi is trying to show us how strong Madara is and i think he is going to prove it by making him wiping all the 5 kages. You may disagree but thats just my thinking

No that's not what I was implying about the immortality technique. The caster of this technique only transfers his spirit/mind into the new host. The soul is not allowed to leave its original body. So when Orochimaru tried to take over Sasuke. Sasuke place Orochimaru into a Genjustu. So pretty much Orochimaru was trapped inside Sasuke mind until Sasuke was weaken enough for him to break free, during the fight with Itachi. Again the Immortality Technique is not a soul transferring tech, it's a spirit/mind transferring technique. Again the Soul and Spirit is not the samething. Itachi did trapped Orochimaru spirit/mind inside the totsuka sword but again that was Orochimaru spirit/mind that was trapped. Meaning his soul is still in the afterlife meaning if Kabuto wanted he could bring Orochimaru back by Edo Tensi...logic!

It was explained by orochimaru that the soul/ spirit of the person disappears once he has taken over the body. If the soul is left then that must mean that orochimaru's old body is still alive. Which doesn't make sense. Also the use of word logic at every post you post is annoying

i agree completely. mostly.
ant the last thing with tsunade, fascinatin thought...
i think of two plausible reasons there.
could be a simple translation-error and she originally meant the one searching kabuto.
or ur right, and that wuold even be more funny, coz the two individuals, who made the biggest and most silent sacrifices for their konoha outsmart each other in the end (itachi vs kabuto would even be more unnecessary than some people think it is now) awesome :-D
a truly fitting last act in both of their lifes ;-)

I thought just the same thing

Why in the heck haven't the Kages used their summons. Katsuya would be useful to heal each kage while the larger version of herself helps to fight or at least hold off or distract Madara from focusing all of his attention on the Kages.

Does anyone know if the other Kages have summons?

I almost forgot about the summons. thank you for reminding me. I think they do all do have a summon

it was yamato

I forgot about yamato. Maybe they should use him to fight Madara cause after all he has full First Hokage DNA. This is just my thinking. it might not work but its worth a try.

Actually, Tobirama invented Edo Tensei. Not sure why anyone would confuse Edo Tensei with the Death Reaper seal.

The Maxwills guy mentioned that Tobirama invented the reaper death seal. and i was correcting him thats why i said what i had to say. Here is the evidence that shows what he said

Don't know if someone has said this but Tobirama never used Endo, he was the inventor of Death Seal that Minato used on 9 tails and Hiruzen used on 1st and 2nd and Orichimaru's arms.

It has nothing to do with consciousness, and everything to do with the subjects will being bound to a contract seal. Many of those who summoned by Kabuto with Edo Tensei were fully conscious.

Nahh if they were then they all should have gone against kabuto's will which they could not.And if they had full consciousness then the Edo Tensei would be useless

Their souls were bound to the bodies Kabuto picked by a contract seal, and then their personalities and wills were controlled by those talismans. Again, none of this had anything to do with consciousness.

Yes it did Kishi included the part where the tuschikage mentions his consciousness coming back. What ever kishi says in his story one will not change it. it is because in the, the story he is God. We can't make up what he says. Take a good look at this page and if you don't get it i ask if you can read it again or check other translations

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The reason why Tobirama couldn't do what Madara did, is because Orochimaru used a talisman that inhibited everything except for basic responses to orders by Oro. Kabuto even explains the way the control talismans work.

and so did Kabuto to Madara Uchiha except he gave a little bit conscious but not all. His will to rebel was taken away until the release. Again i will explain When edo was performed by kabuto, kabuto took all the consciousness away from the raised bodies he gave out some but the consciousness to rebel was not given to them and thats why he had control of them. When he released the Edo tensei their full consciousness returned and thats how madara got the chance to break free from the edo tensei
It was to my knowing that if you don't have full consciousness or no consciousness you have no way of controlling your body fully. Zombies don't have consciousness

to be honest i only really cared about the last page:shrug:, i know people were happy to see that dan got to tlk to tsunade but i dont really care about those two lol but, what i would really like to see is more naruto vs tobi more about tobi and who he really is and what sasuke is going to do now that his brother is gone.

Me too. What a coincidence.

PS; this is to anyone. I have seen people insulting others. If you are going to insult anybody(e.g calling people retarded), and be a troll on this thread regardless of what the other person's opinion is even if they wrong i suggest you don't do it. We need to have a hate free discussion

 

[YoungShinobi]

If madara stay's fighting the kages they will die... its simple