Naruto > Madara

[YOUNGGUNNO]

Your point is useless than, Madara looked badass in the last chapter therefor he owns all, just cuz. Madara fanboy, derp derp points are invalid derp derp. See? I can do that doo. Derp you're a fanboy so that means everything you just said means nothing derp.

Umm okay, you're just making yourself look like an idiot now
1. I'm not a Madara fanboy if I'm just stating the obvious, because that would mean everyone who could state the obvious is also a fanboy, when in reality they're just telling the truth and not the lies you wanna hear sorry

2.trying to make me sound stupid is backfiring on you, you should stop lol.

3.in the end you're just another fangirl who thinks just because his name is the title, he's supposed to be the strongest in the series which is just dumb logic

:bye:

 

[Smd]

i see some of you still thikn your opinion>manga

op- stop fanboying

Madara>Naruto point blank

 

[King Of Pop]

So your argument for naruto beating madara is becos the manga is named naruto? Oh then nice to know

 

[majinbuu1307]

Naruto always wins with many people helping, he usually doesn't win alone.

Lets start off shall we, Mizuki(at least a chunin and was the first episode) Haku(sasuke was unconscious).Kiba, Neji(in comparison was much more skilled at the time) Gaara+Shikaku, Pretty much solo'd Kakuzu then Kakashi finished him off because naruto doesn't kill. and yes, kakashi fought him earlier, but naruto's move would have still taken out all the hearts. Six paths of pain + TNJ'ed nagato, while the ENTIRE village watched. Solo'd sasuke and I don't care what you say, naruto went for his headband instead of face or gut like sasuke did, he didn't want to hurt his friend but prove he was his equal. Sasuke said twice "you won't be able to scratch my forehead"

Moving on.

 

[majinbuu1307]

So your argument for naruto beating madara is becos the manga is named naruto? Oh then nice to know

Unless your saying madara will defeat him and end the manga laughing maniacally

 

[YOUNGGUNNO]

Solo'd sasuke and I don't care what you say, naruto went for his headband instead of face or gut like sasuke did, he didn't want to hurt his friend but prove he was his equal. Sasuke said twice "you won't be able to scratch my forehead"

Moving on.

Sasuke wasn't the one who was unconscious after the battle, he was able to walk away. Also sasuke didn't need to be hospitalized for 2 weeks either. And if that's what you consider Solo'd, then yes will definitely solo Madara.

 

[majinbuu1307]

Also, Madara may have caught/deflected TBB with Perfect sasunoo, but naruto deflected like 5 into mountains with his body blitzing them.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Lets start off shall we, Mizuki(at least a chunin and was the first episode) Haku(sasuke was unconscious).Kiba, Neji(in comparison was much more skilled at the time) Gaara+Shikaku, Pretty much solo'd Kakuzu then Kakashi finished him off because naruto doesn't kill. and yes, kakashi fought him earlier, but naruto's move would have still taken out all the hearts. Six paths of pain + TNJ'ed nagato, while the ENTIRE village watched. Solo'd sasuke and I don't care what you say, naruto went for his headband instead of face or gut like sasuke did, he didn't want to hurt his friend but prove he was his equal. Sasuke said twice "you won't be able to scratch my forehead"

Moving on.

Mizuki? Fodder, can't believe you even brought his name up.
Haku? She said her ice mirrors was chakra exhausting, Sasuke kept her in it for a long time, meaning he did indeed have help. Moreover, he was taken over by Kyuubi, meaning he had help as it wasn't his own power back then.
Kiba? Again, can't believe you are bringing him up. He shitted on Naruto. Naruto only managed to win by a fart, literally.
Neji? His only true win.
Gaara and Shikaku? He had help from others.
Kakuzu? Had intel, Kakashi had already taken out a heart, thus Naruto was helped.
6POP? Had help from Kyuubi whom Naruto didn't control at the time. Had help from all of Konoha. Had help from mini-Katsuyu for the intel she gave him.
Solo'd Sasuke? Lel, okay. Naruto lost, deal with it. Until you can prove Naruto didn't want to win, stop birngin this up. Looka t the two times Naruto got shitted on by Sasuke [

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Anyways, how does this change what I said?..

 

[majinbuu1307]

Sasuke wasn't the one who was unconscious after the battle, he was able to walk away. Also sasuke didn't need to be hospitalized for 2 weeks either. And if that's what you consider Solo'd, then yes will definitely solo Madara.

Again, because naruto didnt strike at his gut like sasuke did. he went for his forhead protector. he could have just biffed him in the face or gut and both of them would have been in the hospital.

 

[majinbuu1307]

Mizuki? Fodder, can't believe you even brought his name up.
Haku? She said her ice mirrors was chakra exhausting, Sasuke kept her in it for a long time, meaning he did indeed have help. Moreover, he was taken over by Kyuubi, meaning he had help as it wasn't his own power back then.
Kiba? Again, can't believe you are bringing him up. He shitted on Naruto. Naruto only managed to win by a fart, literally.
Neji? His only true win.
Gaara and Shikaku? One fight, nice. Anyways, he had help from others.
Kakuzu? Had intel, Kakashi had already taken out a heart, thus Naruto was helped.
6POP? Had help from Kyuubi whom Naruto didn't control at the time. Had help from all of Konoha. Had help from mini-Katsuyu for the intel she gave him.
Solo'd Sasuke? Lel, okay. Naruto lost, deal with it. Until you can prove Naruto didn't want to win, stop birngin this up. Looka t the two times Naruto got shitted on by Sasuke [

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Anyways, how does this change what I said?..

You're a moron. You said naruto doesn't solo anyone, I just provided multiple occasions. and, mizuki being fodder does not change the fact that he was a chunin and was more skilled than naruto, or should have been if he made it to chunin, yet naruto defeated him. Ice mirrors being exhausting doesn't change the fact that naruto just shattered it like it was nothing while sasuke was down. Stop trying to make it seem like they where just sooooo handicapped when naruto got there. Gaara just got done stomping sasuke, so he was no help, and transformed futher, and still got beat by naruto.

Oh and because he used kyuubi's power he had help and doesn't count? ***** please, without help, madara would not even be ALIVE right now. Without help, madara would not have rinnegan or mokuton, those are NOT his abilities. not part of him. He's enhanced by kabuto, enhanced by hashi cells, enhanced by a rinnegan he should not have by his own powers, should be dead but revived by obito, all he has is PS, which did not help against hashi and still lost to him. If you're going to say naruto can't have anything, neither can Madara. that little stab wound madara just got from sasuke, and amaterasu, yeah, he would have been dead right there. and BM+SM naruto > Sasuke.

 

[NarutoIndra]

You're a moron. You said naruto doesn't solo anyone, I just provided multiple occasions. and, mizuki being fodder does not change the fact that he was a chunin and was more skilled than naruto, or should have been if he made it to chunin, yet naruto defeated him. Ice mirrors being exhausting doesn't change the fact that naruto just shattered it like it was nothing while sasuke was down. Stop trying to make it seem like they where just sooooo handicapped when naruto got there. Gaara just got done stomping sasuke, so he was no help, and transformed futher, and still got beat by naruto.

Oh and because he used kyuubi's power he had help and doesn't count? ***** please, without help, madara would not even be ALIVE right now. Without help, madara would not have rinnegan or mokuton, those are NOT his abilities. not part of him. He's enhanced by kabuto, enhanced by hashi cells, enhanced by a rinnegan he should not have by his own powers, should be dead but revived by obito, all he has is PS, which did not help against hashi and still lost to him. If you're going to say naruto can't have anything, neither can Madara. that little stab wound madara just got from sasuke, and amaterasu, yeah, he would have been dead right there. and BM+SM naruto > Sasuke.

Naruto always wins with many people helping, he usually doesn't win alone.

I said he usually doesn't win alone.. It's true, you're simply too stubborn to accept it.
Lol, please. I have said on multiple occasions for you to provide me with some evidence of how Naruto wins, your reply was the manga is called Naruto. My reply to that was

By your logic, Naruto in part 1 can beat SM Hashirama because the manga is called Naruto. Eventually... Naruto will be stronger, yes, but for now, Naruto is weaker and you will have to deal with it.

However, this completely refutes it, unless of course you are willing to say Naruto could've won that fight merely because the manga is called Naruto. Same applies tot his situation, Naruto is currently weaker, eventually he will win by either gaining high power ups, or with the help of others (more likely). If you are willing to provide proof of others getting stomped, why not provide proof on how Naruto wins? Or.. You can't?....

 

[majinbuu1307]

I said he usually doesn't win alone.. It's true, you're simply too stubborn to accept it.
Lol, please. I have said on multiple occasions for you to provide me with some evidence of how Naruto wins, your reply was the manga is called Naruto. My reply to that was However, this completely refutes it, unless of course you are willing to say Naruto could've won that fight merely because the manga is called Naruto. Same applies tot his situation, Naruto is currently weaker, eventually he will win by either gaining high power ups, or with the help of others (more likely). If you are willing to provide proof of others getting stomped, why not provide proof on how Naruto wins? Or.. You can't?....

You're still not reading. I'm saying, in comparison, naruto has fought people way stronger than him, and won. Do you understand the word comparison? Nowhere did I say naruto could defeat hashi in part 1. But, if kishi wanted, he would have him do it. Fighting someone stronger than you and winning is still fighting someone stronger than you and winning, at any level, doesn't make it less difficult. Kishi simply wants naruto to be the underdog right now so it's not just simply naruto trounces on him and the end. Wouldn't make for a good story.

If his powers where utilized fully, naruto would have already beat him, blitzed the crap out of him(he can see with his sharingan all he wants, if he's too fast, same thing will happen to him what happened to sasuke when he thought he saw lee's kick and tried to gaurd) But plot doesn't call for that right now.

Plot calls for madara to get one last powerup(fruit or juubi) and Naruto to finally become the next sage, and defeat him. The whole alliance helping was done with obito, It would be redundant for the same exact thing to happen twice. Naruto will be the one to defeat him if he is in fact the final villain. Just get over it. Or are you still jerkin it to the thought of madara on the final page of the final chapter of naruto standing over everyone's dead body?

 

[Shinato]

I'll go ahead and explain this real careful so that everyone can understand it.

Madara would beat Naruto in a one vs one battle rather easy. The reason for this is that Madara is at a higher level than Naruto, at least currently. Now, why can I say that he is at a higher level? Well that too, is rather simple to understand. Madara was able to single handily defeat Hashirama Senju, Sasuke and a decent amount of other shinobi's in a matter of seconds. Without getting any fatal wounds on himself. Beyond that, he is able to use Mokuton with high mastery of it, and he is able to use Hashirama's Wood Dragon. This dragon steals the chakras of your enemies, that includes Naruto and Kurama. From the latest chapter we have also seen that Madara has used some form of new absorb jutsu, which has yet to be explained fully. Madara is currently lacking his original eyes, which makes him a lot weaker currently, even so. He, himself points out that he is strong enough to fight all of the Alliance and the Bijuu's alone. We also know that Madara isn't one to joke about power, because of his unhealthy obsession with it.

Now, you mentioned that Naruto's speed is far greater than that of Madara. That remains to be seen, as a user of the Sharingan, he has shown remarkable speed and reaction time that would probably equal or surpass that of Ai. Also, the "feat" that Naruto did from countering Ai in the first place was more reaction based than pure traveling speed. Naruto has shown to have little control over his full speed, and that is why he hasn't really used it. So say this, their overall traveling speed are equal or close to equal, while their reaction time is around the same meter, though Naruto may be a little faster on that point. Power wise, Madara wins over Naruto. Mainly because a TBB can be countered by Mokuton alone, which Madara has shown to be very skilled at. ( Not as skilled as Hashirama though )

So, Madara would be able to keep up with Naruto, he would be able to counter Naruto's strongest attack and he would still have enough power to battle him head on. Note that all of this is based on Madara before he obtain Senjutsu, which would again making him even more powerful. I am aware that Naruto has Sage Mode as well, but its clear that the Chakra Cloa/Beast Cloak ability he has now is stronger than his Sage mode.


As for Naruto winning by plot, I don't see this happening either. The first major thing Naruto ever learned in the series was "Cooperation", so I would think that it would be more likely that Naruto will win the war and defeat Madara, not alone, but with the help of atleast one more person. ( Like Sasuke or perhaps the entire Alliance )

 

[dario14]

Troll haha madara>naruto, blind man blits sm naruto ems sasuke sai hashi

 

[Oni]

Naruto did'nt "own" 6paths. He barely made it.

Potentially Naruto will surpass Madara/Hashirama but right now...Nope!