Naruto/Madara lightspeed reactions/combat speed confirmed. U_U

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

Ok. 2T Sasuke precognition>Itachi pecognition

I can live with that.

Sasuke was hit by Haku's attacks and he couldn't defend himself. But itachi could react to form his ribcage susanoo. So no you proved nothing. Even if Sasuke could follow Haku's movements and could have defended himself Haku's attacks are not light speed. So your claim would have still been baseless. U_U

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Here haku is moving at light speed. See the water droplet which is still at its place and Naruto hasn't moved while he is reflecting himself from mirror to mirror.

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When he stops reflecting himself....the water droplet falls.

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He can only reflect from one mirror to another so he cannot come near Naruto or Sasuke to give a final blow using reflection...since teleporting only between mirrors is his limit. So what he does is comes slightly out of the miror, attacks using senbon....goes back into the mirror...... teleports to other mirror...again comes out for a brief moment...attacks using senbon....then goes back inside the mirror and teleports again. He can't attack while he is teleporting as he reflects only in straight lines. So ultimately the attack will seem like coming from all directions.

Now this is what happens after Sasuke awakens one tomoe sharingan...
Here he tries to reach near Naruto...i.e. not teleporting. You can see him landing near Naruto.

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And Sasuke lands a blow on him while he comes near Naruto (obviously not reflecting)....and blocks his senbons.

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This post was already made by someone in comicvine once but since I couldn't find it I typed it all again.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

I was talking about real life lightning, you freakin' dolt, not a jutsu. As in, I was saying that the actual bolt of lightning is typically, typically, below light speed.

I know that dumbo....I was not saying lightning is light speed, so where did you get that from?? Everyone knows that light emitted is light speed since it is freaking light anyway. But thats not the point obviously.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

You clearly don't know what point blank range is...

In forensics and popular usage, point-blank range has come to mean extremely close range (i.e., target within about a meter (3 ft) of the muzzle at moment of discharge but not close enough to be an actual contact shot).

Yea I know. Its approximately the same distance in this case.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I know that dumbo....I was not saying lightning is light speed, so where did you get that from?? Everyone knows that light emitted is light speed since it is freaking light anyway. But thats not the point obviously.

How come you dont address the fact that by the time this light speed attack reached naruto at point blank, madara has turned his head by 45º.

This in turn makes it pure hyperbole. Speculating that madara is light speed is useless as he was blitzed by sasuke and base BSM, his reactions were beaten by near dead Obito as well as his light speed counter attack, gai ran circles around him (while perfectly perceived even by Lee and minato, so no speed of light either)

 

[SSStylish]

Sasuke was hit by Haku's attacks and he couldn't defend himself. But itachi could react to form his ribcage susanoo. So no you proved nothing. Even if Sasuke could follow Haku's movements and could have defended himself Haku's attacks are not light speed. So your claim would have still been baseless. U_U

Spoiler

Here haku is moving at light speed. See the water droplet which is still at its place and Naruto hasn't moved while he is reflecting himself from mirror to mirror.

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When he stops reflecting himself....the water droplet falls.

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He can only reflect from one mirror to another so he cannot come near Naruto or Sasuke to give a final blow using reflection...since teleporting only between mirrors is his limit. So what he does is comes slightly out of the miror, attacks using senbon....goes back into the mirror...... teleports to other mirror...again comes out for a brief moment...attacks using senbon....then goes back inside the mirror and teleports again. He can't attack while he is teleporting as he reflects only in straight lines. So ultimately the attack will seem like coming from all directions.

Now this is what happens after Sasuke awakens one tomoe sharingan...
Here he tries to reach near Naruto...i.e. not teleporting. You can see him landing near Naruto.

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And Sasuke lands a blow on him while he comes near Naruto (obviously not reflecting)....and blocks his senbons.

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This post was already made by someone in comicvine once but since I couldn't find it I typed it all again.

Ok, so Sasuke could only react and attack/block Haku because his movement speed may be lightspeed, but his attack speed isn't. And you use this one pannel, where Naruto is getting attacked by Haku to prove that he's moving at lightspeed. Ok, gotcha.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

How come you dont address the fact that by the time this light speed attack reached naruto at point black, madara has turned his head by 45º.

This in turn makes it pure hyperbole. Speculating that madara is light speed is useless as he was blitzed by sasuke, his reactions were beaten by near dead Obito as well as his light speed counter attack, gai ran circles around him (while perfectly perceived even by Lee and minato, so no speed of light either)

1.Time required for madara to move his head = time required for the attack to reach near Naruto.
He was blitzed by Sasuke's teleportation and was busy using Kakashi's Kamui to escape. If you incorporate sasukes striking speed, the average may very well come to be equal to the speed of light depending on his speed. [ avg. speed= (distance he teleported + distance traveled by his hand to attack) / Time taken to attack]
So even if Sasuke himself is slower, the average speed may be very high. That is the reason that we can't react to someone to teleports in front of us even if he strikes us at normal human speeds.



He didn't even give two shits about the attack. Also reaction speed is not equal to attack speed. His reaction may be slower for all we know.

2. That was Madara before he absorbed the tree so invalid. This attack was used afterwards. INB4 BZ. Lol

Well that is all...if anyone disagrees, then whatever floats your boat....I m going to sleep now...so good night. :gn:

Ok, so Sasuke could only react and attack/block Haku because his movement speed may be lightspeed, but his attack speed isn't. And you use this one pannel, where Naruto is getting attacked by Haku to prove that he's moving at lightspeed. Ok, gotcha.

I don't need to prove that Haku's movements are LS since reflection can only occur at lightspeed which u should know if u have read even a bit of physics. I was just showing where he is lightspeed and where he is not.

In that panel he is not even throwing senbon let alone throwing them at LS so what are you talking about??
Naruto shadowclones were busted after colliding with Haku. I was just proving that his attacks are not lightspeed. What made his attack so difficult to read is that he continuously kept on changing his location before coming out for a brief moment and attacking. So once you could predict where he is going to teleport using sharingan's precog you could guess where he would attack from. Thats all.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Now think how fast Naruto is after getting Yang Kurama to get full Kurama.

 

[SSStylish]

]I don't need to prove that Haku's movements are LS since reflection can only occur at lightspeed which u should know if u have read even a bit of physics. I was just showing where he is lightspeed and where he is not. I was just proving that his attacks are not lightspeed. What made his attack so difficult to read is that he continuously kept on changing his location before coming out for a brief moment and attacking. So once you could predict where he is going to teleport using sharingan's precog you could guess where he would attack from. Thats all.

You said Sasuke could only react to Hakus speed because he slows down when he attacks.

You can clearly see Haku being closer in range to Naruto than Sasuke. Yet Sasuke reached Naruto faster than Haku before Haku attacked

Guess early part 1 Sasuke moves at the speed of light Lol

 

[Ansatsuken]

1. Thats why I said that Madara needs near light speed movement speed to match the exact timing. So time required for madara to move his head = time required for the attack to reach near Naruto.
He was blitzed by Sasuke's teleportation and was busy using Kakashi's Kamui to escape. If you incorporate sasukes striking speed, the average may very well come to be equal to the speed of light depending on his speed. [ avg. speed= (distance he teleported + distance traveled by his hand to attack) / Time taken to attack]
So even if Sasuke himself is slower, the average speed may be very high. That is the reason that we can't react to someone to teleports in front of us even if he strikes us at normal human speeds.



He didn't even give two shits about the attack. Also reaction speed is not equal to attack speed. His reaction may be slower for all we know.

2. That was Madara before he absorbed the tree so invalid. This attack was used afterwards. INB4 BZ. Lol

Well that is all...if anyone disagrees, then whatever floats your boat....I m going to sleep now...so good night. :gn:



I don't need to prove that Haku's movements are LS since reflection can only occur at lightspeed which u should know if u have read even a bit of physics. I was just showing where he is lightspeed and where he is not.

In that panel he is not even throwing senbon let alone throwing them at LS so what are you talking about??
Naruto shadowclones were busted after colliding with Haku. I was just proving that his attacks are not lightspeed. What made his attack so difficult to read is that he continuously kept on changing his location before coming out for a brief moment and attacking. So once you could predict where he is going to teleport using sharingan's precog you could guess where he would attack from. Thats all.

The head movement thing that you must understand first, sure the light that he shoot from his mouth is light speed, but his head movement is not necessarily must be light speed for point blank range movement, dont be afraid to admitted it, in short destance massive hypersonic movement is enough maybe circa 10000 mach something. It faster than average lightning bolt strike.

 

[take it easy]

Funny beans. +rep for laugh.

 

[TRE MERCER]

In forensics and popular usage, point-blank range has come to mean extremely close range (i.e., target within about a meter (3 ft) of the muzzle at moment of discharge but not close enough to be an actual contact shot).

Yea I know. Its approximately the same distance in this case.

3feet... This is clearly far greater than 3ft?(

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[Benjamin King]

My God of how this base is filled with idiots!

You obviously got something wrong here, pal. The Jutsu in Romaji translates to Senpō: Ranton Kōga. The bold word is translated as Storm in Viz. The word ''Storm'' comes from lightning. And how fast is lightning compared to light? Lightning travels at 3,700 mph approx. Light travels 186,000 mph approx. Light moves more than 1000x times faster than lightning.

Let's for a minute say Senpō: Ranton Kōga moves at the speed of light: the only difference is how fast Madara's head moved is what will determine Naruto's reaction time. Since Madara tried to strike Naruto at the moment Madara had moved his head while charging the Jutsu, it means Naruto reacted to Madara's head speed; not the actual Jutsu.

In other words, Senpō: Ranton Kōga doesn't move at the speed of light nor moves at the speed of lightning either. Databook speaks hypeboles as usual. You're taking too literal, fanboy.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

You said Sasuke could only react to Hakus speed because he slows down when he attacks.

You can clearly see Haku being closer in range to Naruto than Sasuke. Yet Sasuke reached Naruto faster than Haku before Haku attacked

Guess early part 1 Sasuke moves at the speed of light Lol

Oh dear....here we go again.
I already stated that when Haku reaches near Naruto he doesn't use reflection. He can only move from one mirror to another while reflecting. While reaching near Naruto he used his normal speed. That is why Sasuke's precog helped him reach Naruto faster.
You are obviously trolling at this point. Manga fact > You. Databook > You.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

3feet... This is clearly far greater than 3ft?(

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U are an idiot. I was talking about light fang not inton raiha. U_U

 

[SSStylish]

Oh dear....here we go again.
I already stated that when Haku reaches near Naruto he doesn't use reflection. He can only move from one mirror to another while reflecting. While reaching near Naruto he used his normal speed. That is why Sasuke's precog helped him reach Naruto faster.
You are obviously trolling at this point. Manga fact > You. Databook > You.

You've been proven wrong by almost everybody in this thread. Look who's trollong.

You couldn't even really counter my last post. The way you tryed to prove Hakus speed was wrong because he was attacking and moving. He was attacking and yet they couldn't react to him. It seemed as if time held still. You yourself say that Sasuke could only react to him because his attack speed wasn't that impressive and he had to slow down. That doesn't make sense...

Databook above me? Ok, it's above you than as well... Guess Temari is a universe buster.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

My God of how this base is filled with idiots!

You obviously got something wrong here, pal. The Jutsu in Romaji translates to Senpō: Ranton Kōga. The bold word is translated as Storm in Viz. The word ''Storm'' comes from lightning. And how fast is lightning compared to light? Lightning travels at 3,700 mph approx. Light travels 186,000 mph approx. Light moves more than 1000x times faster than lightning.

Let's for a minute say Senpō: Ranton Kōga moves at the speed of light: the only difference is how fast Madara's head moved is what will determine Naruto's reaction time. Since Madara tried to strike Naruto at the moment Madara had moved his head while charging the Jutsu, it means Naruto reacted to Madara's head speed; not the actual Jutsu.

In other words, Senpō: Ranton Kōga doesn't move at the speed of light nor moves at the speed of lightning either. Databook speaks hypeboles as usual. You're taking too literal, fanboy.

Another idiot. Storm release is not lightning just because it contains lightning element. U_U
Also Time taken by madara to spin his head= time taken by light fang to reach from maddy's mouth to Naruto= Time taken by Naruto to dodge the attack. So his reaction speed is good enough to dodge light fang at point blank range i.e. less than 3 ft. Obviously his movement speed will be lesser since the distance travelled by light > displacement due to ducking his head. I am only saying that Naruto has light speed reactions (can react to light speed attacks at point black attack) and Madara has light speed attack respectively.

 

[SSStylish]

Naruto has light speed reactions

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[Sir Cool Blizzard]

You've been proven wrong by almost everybody in this thread. Look who's trollong.

You couldn't even really counter my last post. The way you tryed to prove Hakus speed was wrong because he was attacking and moving. He was attacking and yet they couldn't react to him. It seemed as if time held still. You yourself say that Sasuke could only react to him because his attack speed wasn't that impressive and he had to slow down. That doesn't make sense...

Databook above me? Ok, it's above you than as well... Guess Temari is a universe buster.

I can't help it if there are so many idiots. They couldn't react to his reflection teleportation since it is light speed.
But they couldn't react to his attack since they didn't know from where he will attack.
Later after gaining sharingan Sasuke could predict where he would come to attack from, but could stop him only because his speed while he has going towards Naruto was not light speed but his normal speed.
He is only light speed while moving from one mirror to another, not always and definitely not while attacking. Even the databook says that his transmission between the mirrors is lightspeed, which doesn't say anything about his attack speed. Is it that hard to understand??

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

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Get lost Idiot. No point in arguing with someone who doesn't even knows that reflection and light particles are light speed.

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[SSStylish]

I can't help it if there are so many idiots.

Stopped reading because idiots are apparently people disproving your hyperbole with logic and actuall facts. I'm done. Believe in your hyperbole.