Naruto is either as fast as or slower than Madara because they both had the senjutsu of the six paths but Madara had the whole package, he was probably almost as fast/strong as Hagoromo.
That being said, footspeed Sasuke outsped Madara and bisected the fuk out of him.
Naruto is either as fast as or slower than Madara because they both had the senjutsu of the six paths but Madara had the whole package, he was probably almost as fast/strong as Hagoromo.
That being said, footspeed Sasuke outsped Madara and bisected the fuk out of him.
That's like saying Sasuke's rinnegan = Madara's rinnegan just because they both have 'a rinnegan' or madara said he has sasuke's power.
Naruto's bijuu form is far greater than madara's bijuu form as naruto's is created by the willing cooperation of all of his bijuu while madara's is created by the subjugation of the mindless combination of the bijuu's power. Just like Sasuke's sharinnegan > Madara's rinnegan.
Kaguya has chakra on a totally different level than Madara, and Madara had way more bijuu chakra than Naruto since other than yin kurama, naruto only had a small portion of the other bijuu's powers, which means naruto should be getting speedblitzed by kaguya, not getting his speed hyped by her.
That's like saying Sasuke's rinnegan = Madara's rinnegan just because they both have 'a rinnegan' or madara said he has sasuke's power.
Naruto's bijuu form is far greater than madara's bijuu form as naruto's is created by the willing cooperation of all of his bijuu while madara's is created by the subjugation of the mindless combination of the bijuu's power. Just like Sasuke's sharinnegan > Madara's rinnegan.
Kaguya has chakra on a totally different level than Madara, and Madara had way more bijuu chakra than Naruto since other than yin kurama, naruto only had a small portion of the other bijuu's powers, which means naruto should be getting speedblitzed by kaguya, not getting his speed hyped by her.
You might be making too much sense for people to understand where you're coming from. But I completely agree with you. It's no surprise that Sasuke was caught by a technique he had never seen before. The same was the case when he attacked one-eyed Madara, he had no intel. People would be surprised by the difference having intel and no intel makes.
Yeah, that's what you'd have to logically conclude, yet we know that it's false since Naruto in base was wrecking JJ Madara to the point that he had to absorb the shinjuu, and is currently holding his own and being called fast by kaguya who's far more powerful than JJ Madara at his max.
Even by your logic, JJ Madara's eye >>>>> Sasuke's eye, and JJ Madara's bijuu mode >>>>> Naruto's bijuu mode you'd have to conclude that sasuke and naruto would have been stomped by him. Yet it was the otherway around, Madara was forced to flee from base naruto, absorb the shinjuu, and then force to flee again from naruto and sasuke who weren't even using their full powers.
based on....? Sasuke wrecking JJ Madara with his rinnegan technique?
Yeah, that's what you'd have to logically conclude, yet we know that it's false since Naruto in base was wrecking JJ Madara to the point that he had to absorb the shinjuu, and is currently holding his own and being called fast by kaguya who's far more powerful than JJ Madara at his max.
Even by your logic, JJ Madara's eye >>>>> Sasuke's eye, and JJ Madara's bijuu mode >>>>> Naruto's bijuu mode you'd have to conclude that sasuke and naruto would have been stomped by him. Yet it was the otherway around, Madara was forced to flee from base naruto, absorb the shinjuu, and then force to flee again from naruto and sasuke who weren't even using their full powers.
why? By your logic, madara should stomp naruto without even using the rinnegan since he has way more bijuu chakra than naruto, and he should stomp sasuke without even needing the juubi since you said Madara w/ or w/o 3 eyes > Sasuke.
you said 1 eyes madara > 1 eye sasuke. and 3 eyes madara w/o the juubi > Sasuke?
why? By your logic, madara should stomp naruto without even using the rinnegan since he has way more bijuu chakra than naruto, and he should stomp sasuke without even needing the juubi since you said Madara w/ or w/o 3 eyes > Sasuke.
I've been seeing a lot of posts about people who are saying that's Naruto has become stronger, has better reflexes, and can fight Kaguya longer than Sasuke, and even a few that have said that Naruto can rip Sasuke's arm and seal her on his own! Wtf is wrong in here?! I tell you i've seen crazy, but i've never met borderline insane yet.
I want to also address that Kaguya's S/T technique is more different than Sasuke's S/T Technique. Sasuke's technique makes him able to teleport through a certain range and makes him capable of blitzing through the enemy, but also swap places with objects or using them against his foes. Meanwhile, Kaguya doesn't have any limitations to her technique so far. Kaguya is able to travel through dimensions with her technique -- of course it makes her more difficult to handle than Sasuke. Sasuke doesn't have that ability through travel through dimension, thus Sasuke' technique pales in comparison to Kaguya. Which is why i don't get why people are saying that Sasuke should know how to dodge/counter her technique. There techniques aren't that alike at all. Both of them are different, so it's understandable that Sasuke is having a hard time against Kaguya. Moreover, Naruto is no exception and that's nothing but the truth. I can accept in a sense that Naruto has been doing a little bit better than Sasuke against Kaguya, but i wouldn't say that Naruto can fight her 1-on-1 either. Naruto is equal to Sasuke, if not just a bit stronger at the most right now.
Here are some panels to debunk Naruto's great reflexes:
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- A lot of you seem to remember this chapter when Kaguya got behind both Naruto and Sasuke! Both of them were surprised to see Kaguya behind them; however, why didn't Naruto dodge it and warn Sasuke? Where's these so called skills? I don't see them. Naruto might be one of the best sensors, but that doesn't mean much against Kaguya -- you should know they were caught with ease. At the most, Naruto and Sasuke sensed her after she got out the crack of the dimension that she was hiding.
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- After Naruto's Reverse Harem Jutsu, Naruto and Sasuke tried to seal Kaguya with the moon and sun crescent marks only to fail. Kaguya immobilized Naruto and Sasuke from touching her, while she decided to move through dimensions with her S/T Technique. At that time, Naruto's response was "She vanished", if he knew what was going on, why didn't he say "Look over there." The hype is unreal...
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- Finally, the controversial scan that Naruto fanboys are using to prove an illogical point. Sure, Kaguya caught Sasuke with her technique and sent him to another dimension. The question is why didn't Naruto do anything about it? Surely, Naruto could of saved Sasuke with his superb sensory skills and reflexes, right? But why didn't he do it? Why was his response the following: "Eh!" (Which is the same response that he used when Sasuke used his S/T technique against Madara!) That's because Naruto didn't know Kaguya was after Sasuke! Naruto not doing anything shows me that he isn't any better than Sasuke. Both of them were caught off guard by her technique, not just Sasuke alone... So don't use excuses about how Naruto is better than Sasuke just because Kaguya decided to send Sasuke to another dimension. (You would think BZ saying let's separate them was after Sasuke using his Kagutsuchi to free himself and Naruto would have something to do with Sasuke being the obvious choice to send away.) (The bottom line is Naruto can't do nothing against Kaguya, which the same applies to Sasuke.) (Kaguya transporting Sasuke shows me that BZ feels that Sasuke is clearly the better tactician of the two.)
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- In this scan, Naruto fails to save Sasuke. Why didn't Naruto use his chakra arms to pull Sasuke out of the dimension? Those aren't great skills! You're telling me that you're using your hands to make the dimension gate stay open? I don't get Naruto sometimes; he could of used better judgment skills at that time.
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- After seeing the attack consecutively, doesn't that mean your chances to dodge the attack should improve? Good for Naruto dodging Kaguya's attack. But wasn't he the only target left theoretically? No need to worry...
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- Why is Naruto saying "Does This Mean I Can't Tell Where She'll Show Up Next?" Isn't that obvious?
This chapter doesn't prove that Naruto is ahead of Sasuke, if anything it means they both need each other to defeat her. None of them can do it alone, not even Naruto can beat her. TIP: Stop believing your own delusional minds, Naruto fanboys... You just tried so hard to prove that your Naruto is the best at everything, but the truth is he needs Sasuke to slay Kaguya! Deal With It!
