naruto is predictable?

[TrollKing]

Tobirama called Minato dumb. I guess that makes him dumb.

If I call my friend stupid, I'm joking. He could be a genius. Same logic applies to Naruto.



In your own assessment, do you think Naruto is dumb?

There are too many references about naruto being a dummy both by himself and by others for me to believe he's stupid

So if kishi all of a sudden now say naruto is actually smarter than itachi in kishi word, I'm not gonna buy it nor would I consider that as conon.

So I would disagree with manga. How and why? When the manga contradict itself, you can be told wrong regardless of which side you pick, so I would follow the most spoken and the most original idea that has the least contradictions

 

[Lightbringer]

There are too many references about naruto being a dummy both by himself and by others for me to believe he's stupid

So if kishi all of a sudden now say naruto is actually smarter than itachi in kishi word, I'm not gonna buy it nor would I consider that as conon.

So I would disagree with manga. How and why? When the manga contradict itself, you can be told wrong regardless, so I would follow the most spoken and the most original idea that has the least contradictions

So you don't think people might change? Some people act stupid but are actually smart. I see this everyday. Even on of my friends acts like an idiot but he knows Quantum Physics like the back of his hand.



All that Naruto is, is immature. That doesn't mean he's not smart.

We've already witnessed him figuring out the Juubi Jinchuriki's weakness was senjutsu before anyone else.

He was able think of a plan within seconds to save the entire shinobi alliance from annihilation from Obito's TBB.(Sasuke was going to run)

We've seen that he was wise by being able to completely change Nagato and Obito's ideals. In real life that's pretty damn impressive.

 

[TrollKing]

So you don't think people might change? Some people act stupid but are actually smart. I see this everyday. Even on of my friends acts like an idiot but he knows Quantum Physics like the back of his hand.



All that Naruto is, is immature. That doesn't mean he's not smart.

We've already witnessed him figuring out the Juubi Jinchuriki's weakness was senjutsu before anyone else.

He was able think of a plan within seconds to save the entire shinobi alliance from annihilation from Obito's TBB.(Sasuke was going to run)

We've seen that he was wise by being able to completely change Nagato and Obito's ideals. In real life that's pretty damn impressive.

There's a similar condition like naruto's character which is called autism. Those who suffer autism can be really smart in some area, but still pale compared to real genius with IQ 130-200+. Those smart situation of naruto has far exceeded what autism kid is capable of and would only be possible for the mc of a manga

Even so6p said naruto is no good(intelligently) and he's the god of ninja even though he himself is not that wise. If udon vs kaguya under the condition that no one there to save him and udon has to survive, kishi would let udon come up with some itachi level plan to escape. Naruto as an mc would do 10 times better

 

[Lightbringer]

There's a similar condition like naruto's character which is called autism. Those who suffer autism can be really smart in some area, but still pale compared to real genius with IQ 130-200+. Those smart situation of naruto has far exceeded what autism kid is capable of and would only be possible for the mc of a manga

Even so6p said naruto is no good(intelligently) and he's the god of ninja even though he himself is not that wise. If udon vs kaguya under the condition that no one there to save him and udon has to survive, kishi would let udon come up with some itachi level plan to escape. Naruto as an mc would do 10 times better

Kishi is the writer. If he decides Naruto is a genius, then he's a genius by his standards.

It just sounds like you don't like his character.

 

[TrollKing]

Kishi is the writer. If he decides Naruto is a genius, then he's a genius by his standards.

It just sounds like you don't like his character.

If I tell you to calculate 400-200,

you: its "200"

Me: "you are wrong! 400-200=3!!"

You: "You are stupid! That's illogical"

Me: "who are you to judge? I'm the examiner, I GIVE THE QUESTION AND THE ANSWER!! So as soon as you answering me, I'm always right!!"

Nah 400-200 = 200. If kishi says 400-200 = 1000, I would only acknowledge it as "400 - 200 =\= 1000". I would toss out whatever bs there is just as you would try to toss out my "bs" as you read my post Lol

 

[Lightbringer]

If I tell you to calculate 400-200,

you: its "200"

Me: "you are wrong! 400-200=3!!"

You: "You are stupid! That's illogical"

Me: "who are you to judge? I'm the examiner, I GIVE THE QUESTION AND THE ANSWER!! So as soon as you answering me, I'm always right!!"

Nah 400-200 = 200. If kishi says 400-200 = 1000, I would only acknowledge it as "400 - 200 =\= 1000". I would toss out whatever bs there is just as you would try to toss out my "bs" as you read my post Lol

That's why it's called fiction. Anything is possible.

In Kishi's universe, human's can breathe fire and jump 200ft high.

He called Rock Lee a genius. Is he a genius by our standards? I don't think so, but he is in NV.



So if Kishi says Naruto is a genius, then in NV he's a genius. Kishi is the God of his own universe, just like every writer is.

 

[TrollKing]

That's why it's called fiction. Anything is possible.

In Kishi's universe, human's can breathe fire and jump 200ft high.

He called Rock Lee a genius. Is he a genius by our standards? I don't think so, but he is in NV.



So if Kishi says Naruto is a genius, then in NV he's a genius. Kishi is the God of his own universe, just like every writer is.

Everything spoken has to be "reasonable". Breathing fire or swallowing rocks, I'm ok with whatever he makes up out of thin air as long as he does trap himself and eat his own words, its fiction after all Lol

I would use the same example: if I ask you to calculate 400 - 200, you answer me 200 but I said you are wrong. Does that mean you are really wrong?? It's my question and I give you the wrong answer. Even if I insist the answer is right still doesn't make it right when its clearly wrong. I'm not changing nor printing kishi's manga. I'm simply stating how wrong it is and how it suppose to be right(its really not my opinion, I simply based it on practical application)

 

[Lightbringer]

Everything spoken has to be "reasonable". Breathing fire or swallowing rocks, I'm ok with whatever he makes up out of thin air as long as he does trap himself and eat his own words, its fiction after all Lol

I would use the same example: if I ask you to calculate 400 - 200, you answer me 200 but I said you are wrong. Does that mean you are really wrong?? It's my question and I give you the wrong answer. Even if I insist the answer is right still doesn't make it right when its clearly wrong. I'm not changing nor printing kishi's manga. I'm simply stating how wrong it is and how it suppose to be right(its really not my opinion, I simply based it on practical application)

But you were using Manga examples of Naruto being called stupid. But like you said, that doesn't mean it's right.

If we judge Naruto by our own standards and not the manga's, I personally would call him smart.

 

[TrollKing]

But you were using Manga examples of Naruto being called stupid. But like you said, that doesn't mean it's right.

If we judge Naruto by our own standards and not the manga's, I personally would call him smart.

Nope, the story goes like this:

Chapter 1
Guy A: the ocean is blue

Chapter 2
Guy B: the ocean is very blue

Chapter 3
Guy C: the ocean is alway blue

Chapter 4
Guy D: everyday I see the ocean is blue for 70 years

Chapter 5
Guy E: oh very blue is the ocean that never turn to any color

Chapter 6
Guy F: I can assure you that the ocean been always blue as me and many has witnessed!!

Chapter 7
Guy G: I wonder why the ocean is always blue?!!!...

Chapter 8
Guy H: you have to be a moron to say the ocean is not blue

Chapter 9
Guy X: the ocean been pitch black throughout the history

Chapter 10
Guy I: how blue is the ocean? It's bluer than "blue"

Chapter 11
Guy J: I enjoy staring at the blue ocean everyday

Chapter 12(final chapter)
Guy K: how sad that not even one day that the ocean isn't grey?!!..

THE END
so what color is the ocean? I believe its blue, you could pick black though Lol

By the way, my story is very predictable as we know it will be always about blue ocean. The unpredictable part is you never know when I gonna throw in some bs about me calling the ocean was never blue Lol

 

[Xāvî1]

you're not worthy of that name!!

 

[Lightbringer]

Nope, the story goes like this:

Chapter 1
Guy A: the ocean is blue

Chapter 2
Guy B: the ocean is very blue

Chapter 3
Guy C: the ocean is alway blue

Chapter 4
Guy D: everyday I see the ocean is blue for 70 years

Chapter 5
Guy E: oh very blue is the ocean that never turn to any color

Chapter 6
Guy F: I can assure you that the ocean been always blue as me and many has witnessed!!

Chapter 7
Guy G: I wonder why the ocean is always blue?!!!...

Chapter 8
Guy H: you have to be a moron to say the ocean is not blue

Chapter 9
Guy X: the ocean been pitch black throughout the history

Chapter 10
Guy I: how blue is the ocean? It's bluer than "blue"

Chapter 11
Guy J: I enjoy staring at the blue ocean everyday

Chapter 12(final chapter)
Guy K: how sad that not even one day that the ocean isn't grey?!!..

THE END
so what color is the ocean? I believe its blue, you could pick black though Lol

By the way, my story is very predictable as we know it will be always about blue ocean. The unpredictable part is you never know when I gonna throw in some bs about me calling the ocean was never blue Lol

I don't get your comparison.

Shonen characters have the same qualities. We know the start and endpoint but not what happens in the middle.

If I give you a math equation and the answer(3) along with it. You know the answer is 3. What you don't know is how to solve the problem.

So yes, we know Naruto will prevail. What we don't know are the steps he takes in achieving victory.

 

[TrollKing]

I don't get your comparison.

Shonen characters have the same qualities. We know the start and endpoint but not what happens in the middle.

If I give you a math equation and the answer(3) along with it. You know the answer is 3. What you don't know is how to solve the problem.

So yes, we know Naruto will prevail. What we don't know are the steps he takes in achieving victory.

Oh and about the final result, its actually not always certain. My story explains it really good(of course its a bad story since its based off naruto)

 

[xxSAGExx]

I already explained. Its pnj, you never know when naruto opponent gonna trip or choke on his saliva

Well that doesn't help Naruto in all fights, Sasuke won 3 of the 4 fights because PnJ needed Sasuke to not get caught. PnJ made Kushina not reseal Kurama but into her which would have kept her alive and allow Naruto to have his parents and possibly allow the Uchiha massacre to never happen. Everything in the story is plot for the story sake

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Naruto went from being the Best MC from Part 1 to arguably the worst Shonen Main character throughout the shippuden, this war Arc completely made Naruto look like a joke

 

[Lightbringer]

Naruto went from being the Best MC from Part 1 to arguably the worst Shonen Main character throughout the shippuden, this war Arc completely made Naruto look like a joke

The plot might be in its worst state, but I don't think Naruto's character was hindered by it at all.

I personally couldn't stand him in Part 1, now he's one of my favorites.

 

[TrollKing]

Well that doesn't help Naruto in all fights, Sasuke won 3 of the 4 fights because PnJ needed Sasuke to not get caught. PnJ made Kushina not reseal Kurama but into her which would have kept her alive and allow Naruto to have his parents and possibly allow the Uchiha massacre to never happen. Everything in the story is plot for the story sake

Plot =\= pnj

Pnj is a jutsu

Plot is a story

Pnj is a jutsu to alter things illogically to fulfill plot

Close match/close call mostly is not pnj as long as they always been that way.

Itachi trying to kill udon but udon survive = pnj

Kakashi broke tsukuyomi = pnj

Sasuke survived fetal blow from bee = pnj

Ms sasky one shot bee is not pnj

Sakura broke kaguya horn = pnj

Kakashi double ps kamui invisible kuni stab = pnj

Minato solo bee not pnj

Minato bm = pnj

Sakura sluţ sage mode not pnj

Obito survive 6-7 times when he suppose to die = pnj

Part 1 naruto beast mode = normal

Part 1 naruto using nine tails power freely at will = pnj

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

The plot might be in its worst state, but I don't think Naruto's character was hindered by it at all.

I personally couldn't stand him in Part 1, now he's one of my favorites.

You must have very bad taste if you can't comprehend the greatness that Kishi has done to Naruto from Part 1.

Part 1 Naruto was so awesome that it inspired so many people, Kid Naruto was the best written MC I've seen, now in Part 2 Especially this War Arc complety ruined his character. Everything that was once established contradicts the theme of Naruto, his symbols of hardwork is gone, he was prophized and automatically destinied to greatness, his personality is ass cheeks and cheesy always talking nonesense changing everyone views and wanking naruto to nonstop, and his way of forgivness is pathetic and even call a guy who f*cked up his life to nonstop as the "Coolest guy" . Kishi always make Naruto do everything, defeat everyone by his corney line dialogue and trying to make him be like Jesus.

Whenever he actually gets Character Development, Kishi sweeps it under the rug, turning him back into the childish brat that I personally despise.

The fact that kishi is constantly shown and overused Naruto fights really get boring, his characterization really grown stale and his development went backward from when his main theme got destroyed due to recarnation/incarnation, and this whole child of propecy BS.

You should be happy that your favorite Madara didn't lose to Nardo, Naruto definitely doesn't deserve to beat Madara, but Kaguya defeat was even more embarassing beacause she's the strongest of the verse but plot overise Team 7 favor cause Naruto became so predictable.

 

[Lightbringer]

You must have very bad taste if you can't comprehend the greatness that Kishi has done to Naruto from Part 1.

Part 1 Naruto was so awesome that it inspired so many people, Kid Naruto was the best written MC I've seen, now in Part 2 Especially this War Arc complety ruined his character. Everything that was once established contradicts the theme of Naruto, his symbols of hardwork is gone, he was prophized and automatically destinied to greatness, his personality is ass cheeks and cheesy always talking nonesense changing everyone views and wanking naruto to nonstop, and his way of forgivness is pathetic and even call a guy who f*cked up his life to nonstop as the "Coolest guy" . Kishi always make Naruto do everything, defeat everyone by his corney line dialogue and trying to make him be like Jesus.

Whenever he actually gets Character Development, Kishi sweeps it under the rug, turning him back into the childish brat that I personally despise.

The fact that kishi is constantly shown and overused Naruto fights really get boring, his characterization really grown stale and his development went backward from when his main theme got destroyed due to recarnation/incarnation, and this whole child of propecy BS.

You should be happy that your favorite Madara didn't lose to Nardo, Naruto definitely doesn't deserve to beat Madara, but Kaguya defeat was even more embarassing beacause she's the strongest of the verse but plot overise Team 7 favor cause Naruto became so predictable.

There were better manga out at the time imo. I didn't get back into Naruto until they introduced the Akatsuki.

What did you expect Naruto to be like? He was obviously going to become one of the strongest characters from the start.

He still worked hard in order to fulfill the prophecy and prophecy was told during the Pain arc(arguably the best arc)


In Part 1 he was just an annoying brat. Even his design was terrible.

 

[TrollKing]

There were better manga out at the time imo. I didn't get back into Naruto until they introduced the Akatsuki.

What did you expect Naruto to be like? He was obviously going to become one of the strongest characters from the start.

He still worked hard in order to fulfill the prophecy and prophecy was told during the Pain arc(arguably the best arc)


In Part 1 he was just an annoying brat. Even his design was terrible.

At bold~kishi make a clown face and say, "In your face" Lol

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

There were better manga out at the time imo. I didn't get back into Naruto until they introduced the Akatsuki.

What did you expect Naruto to be like? He was obviously going to become one of the strongest characters from the start.

He still worked hard in order to fulfill the prophecy and prophecy was told during the Pain arc(arguably the best arc)


In Part 1 he was just an annoying brat. Even his design was terrible.

No you're wrong At the time when the era of Yuyuhakusho and DBZ are finished, Naruto was definately the best back then. It even had the best sales not just in Japan but also in the West and through worldwide, so many people were crazy cause this series was godlike (Part 1) which also brought many shonen mainstream, people were praising this shit, you never see people complains.

Naruto would never gone so far to shippuden if it had not been the most popular series and the biggest sales that would support Kishimoto.

Nowadays, even though it's still popular, it wasn't as good as it used to be, Naruto defiantly went down from grace, there're alot of better series than Shippuden especially this war arc. You see alot of mix controversial about this series, but there're defiantely alot of hate treatment in this series, which I personally think it deserve it.

Naruto Had to work hard because everything was already laid out for him but especially he had Ninetails inside of him and his best chakra reserve thanks to the Uzumaki bloodline from his well known parents, he got it easy. Everything was predestinied even before he was born when Gamamaru confirm that his prophecy was correct from the beginning , Neji was right about destiny, Naruto was definately born lucky.

Rock Lee and Gai are the true underdog, heck even Sakura is more of hardworker than Naruto, it just goes to show you how pathetic Naruto become.

Pain arc was the best, but that ending ruined it so...