Naruto is nothing without Kurama? Ha, FAIL!

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I get where you're coming from, however, Jiraya mastered sage mode, and he doesn't belong into any special clan. Naruto could probably at least work his way up to Jiraya's level of chakra. His sage mode wouldn't be what it is now, but it'd be as strong as Jiraya's. Also, Naruto wouldn't be training to control Kurama, and would instead, train in more sage arts. It was said that he only mastered the basic sage arts.
Jiraya is an exception from fodder clans, just as madara/hashi from their clans. Naruto is exceptional and has stamina heritage as result SM. Take away heritage from equation, it isnt likely then for him to have SM.
 

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Technically everyone is using borrowed power from this guy:

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I correct other Naruto fans if they're being biased. Don't believe me? Check my earlier comments in this thread. I correct people when they're using biased reasoning, even if I agree with the overall result. Why should you be any different? I dunno, maybe you're legit, it's just, if you pick only on Naruto fanboys, you come across as a buthurt fan. Not saying that you are anymore.

Maybee we're 2 sides of the same coin. I think that Sasuke and Itachi fanboys are the worst (not logical fans, I actually like them). At least Naruto fanbooys go into threads often using one liners like "Naruto is the soloking, or Naruto solos all."
Can't tell you how annoyed I get when fanboys say "amaterasu" in a thread.

It's your problem then, if you have willfully taken on the role of a didactic preacher on a manga forum. I am not, or rather, I don't feel obliged to correct anyone other than the person I myself am debating with. You should limit your correction circle as well.

My dislike for Naruto is purely characterization based - not for his so-called power tier - and I am allowed this opinion, given my vast Literature and criticism study. If I ever make points against Naruto in a logical thread, it isn't along the lines of the verbose vocabulary which includes 'shitty' 'breast fed' etc OP always incorporates into his petty posts that are bereft of manga logic. Also, I pick on any fan that attacks me when I happen to talk about manga facts. Seriously, he has it coming.
 

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I always laugh when I see some Sasuke-fans who can't accept the truth, writing down bullshit like "Naruto always cheats with Kurama"...


Let me explain something:

1. Sasuke is also born with his powerful eyes, remember. Just like Naruto with Kurama. Just like that. Take that power from his eyes away, and Sasuke is just a fodder. A shitty, little fodder. This while Naruto still has Sage Mode = Elite Shinobi. Naruto Sage Mode can be as great as Hashirama's SM when more experienced. Naruto is an Uzumaki wich means he has incredibly lot of chakra, so there is even a chance that he in the future can become a better SM user then the 'God of Shinobi' Hashirama himself. Do not ignore this. Naruto Sage Mode has nothing to do with Kurama. He can do this all by himself.

Edit: Look, even Kurama was scared! This says a lot!
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2. Naruto suffered from the Kyuubi for many years, it was not a gift. Naruto was man enough to handle the Kyuubi. For example, if Sasuke would have been the Jinchuuriki, believe me, Konoha was already destroyed because Kurama would have already manipulated Sasuke easily. If Orochimaru, Obito and others could manipulate Sasuke, then Kurama for sure. But not with Naruto, who's will and mind is much stronger then Sasuke's. Naruto gaining the respect from Kurama is his biggest victory till now.

3. AND last but not least, Naruto didn't choose to be the 9-tails Jinchuuriki. But Sasuke chose to 'cheat' when he went to Orochimaru because BASE NARUTO'S (!!!!) rasengan was more impressive then his chidori (remember... Lol) and he went apeshit and jealous and understood he needed some cheats. Also for his vengeance vs Itachi, yes, but remember back in part 1 how incredibly jealous and mad Sasuke was when he noticed Naruto's rasengan > his chidori.

Naruto with Kurama is ****ing weak, he's below fodderninja 110090349543095839 level without Kurama.
 

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Sounds like a good idea, since people have no qualms about taking away Sasuke's eyes.





"When Minato sealed the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox into Naruto Uzumaki, he left an opening at the space where the two four symbols seals met, allowing the Nine-Tails' chakra to mix with Naruto's own." There you have it. Kurama's red chakra seeps in with Naruto's blue chakra, and increases it. Nagato got his chakra from the same place as every other person, by being a powerful ninja, as they tend to have large reserves due to training both mind and body. Nowhere does it even say his chakra reserves were due to being an Uzumaki, as even normal people are capable of having large reserves.


Not really. Life force and chakra are linked, but not the same. Same for stamina.




You're defending Naruto on a misconception. Like I said, Kurama's chakra has been mixing with Naruto's. Basically, trace amounts of Kurama's red chakra seeped in and mixed with Naruto's blue chakra, augmenting it over time. I'm not referring to Kurama's separate chakra.




I see. So I was right. Kurama is the root of Naruto's chakra. Why did you prove my point? But thanks anyway. Kurama certainly made his chakra difficult to control, but he also gave Naruto all that potential. More of a help that it was a hindrance. Current Naruto is enough proof for that.



Not at that point he couldn't, nor it that Naruto maintaining sage mode on his own.



I think you'll find that I'm not one of the people who are obsessed with whether or not one character can beat another. I see more to Sasuke than whether or not he can defeat Naruto, and I'm pretty content since he beat him 3 times already, but I'll humor you. I don't know whether or not he can defeat current Naruto. I do know that he can hold his own, but I can't say one way or another until he shows more feats.



One use of Amaterasu causes pain. One use of Tsukuyomi causes pain. That is not overuse, that is a side effect of the jutsu. Also, the time exhaustion sets in is different for each user. Itachi gets exhausted after 3 uses, but it is different for Sasuke. His haters bashing him and calling him a spammer should suffice as the evidence for this little claim of mine. And what is with the fool comment? If you saw the Itachi vs Sasuke fight and the Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto fight, each time he uses Amaterasu his eyes bleed. Itachi knew it was dangerous but used it in all of his fights, minus the flashback Orochimaru fight. Also, the blindness is inevitable. The eyesight will deteriorate from the moment MS is activated, whether or not MS techniques are used. MS techniques simply speed up the inevitable. I don't know what any of this has to do with the thread though.

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I literally cannot explain it any clearer that being an uzumaki means you have higher chakra reserves. If you choose not to accept it with the proof that I provided thats on you.
Being a descendant of the Uzumaki clan, Naruto inherited an incredibly strong life-force. This gives him extraordinary stamina and vitality, and by extension, an equally long potential lifespan, which enabled him to survive the cell-destroying effects of Kurama's hatred within its chakra several times.
If you don't believe me then I'm not going to bother.

Every uzumaki shown so far has had incredible chakra reserves. The fact is literally staring you in the face

In training Jiraiya told him to focus on power not control because he has extremely large stamina
Naruto would still have SM, and you mind isn't changing on that but honestly IDGAF if you don't think so regardless of the facts I presented

Current Sasuke gets his floors wiped . Thats not what I'm debating about though.
 

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Shelke keeps trying, keeps failing.

You need to tell Kishi so He can tell you to bend over grab your ankles as He shoves His shoe and Foot up your exhausted pipe and tells you go wright your own Manga and get it publish be successful before you can tack to Me.

Give me money, arts skills and some good weed and I am sure I write a better manga.

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*Just read the spoilers for next chap*
 

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Shelke is always like that, just ignore him. He already got owned.
 

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What a awesome thread and the debates are good to too=D
 
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