Naruto is nothing without Kurama? Ha, FAIL!

[Bindu45]

Are you 12 years old? Where do I bash? I made some good points and you can't argue with them... deal with it, kid.

He has it. Not using it now, but he still has the seal.

Butthurt? I just gave you 3 points. 3 facts. Try to ignore them or debate with me. Do not talk about other stuff.

its pretty clear you cant handle it and are butthurt yourself adn sasuke doesnt have the seal because when he fought itachi, itachi had take oro's charka out of him

 

[Nakamazi Itchigo]

Very true, agree with this 110%..some people undermine Naruto's abilities because he is Sasuke's rival but lets get something straight; he is an extremely powerful shinobi, with or without Kumara's power, ask Kakuzu, Nagato, the edo 3rd Raikage, the edo 2nd Tsuchikage and Kurama himself. Naruto = Sasuke : with or without their given powers, get over it people.... but for how much longer i wonder :snick: I guess it's up to Minato

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

its pretty clear you cant handle it and are butthurt yourself adn sasuke doesnt have the seal because when he fought itachi, itachi had take oro's charka out of him

Didn't change the fact he went for it to Orochimaru during part 1.

Come again later with a better argument.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Sasuke is pretty sharp on abilities and overall. Its true that he wont ever admit being inferior to naruto, but neither will naruto. Mute point here.
However i looked up to that viz translation.
Naruto stated that u cant beat sasuke by just being strong.

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Oh and i found it. Hope it puts the end to debate MS>SM

I can think of 2 reasons why Naruto said that which doesn't mean that he's weaker than MS Sasuke.
A. He meant that he needed the 9 tails to get a clear victory instead of a tie.
B. He needs the 9 tails because he knows that Sasuke is going to train and become even stronger for the upcoming fight.


I'd like to say something about Naruto's character. It's changed since part 1. He bragged constantly in part 1 and indeed, never would admit when Sasuke was stronger. However he's much more humble in part 2.

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Sasuke on the other hand, didn't even care when Zetsu said that Naruto's stronger than him (at the time).

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This means that it's likely that he didn't listen to the details of Naruto's SM, and since Naruto wasn't using it when he confronted him, Sasuke had no clue about his capabilities in SM. His lack of information means that he can't be a trusted judge of abilities at that time. The only thing different that Naruto showed Sasuke since their first encounter in part 2 was that he's gotten faster. Of course Sasuke would say he'd win if all he knew about Naruto was a simple speed increase!


Ignore Johnnyindigo's reply. I hate to say this about a fellow Naruto fan, but that was a biased reply.

 

[Sherlock.]

Agreed Bro.... =D =D

 

[Fanta]

Agreed. Either way Naruto trained hard for Sage Mode, rasenshuriken and KM.

Sasuke got everything handed to him

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Anyone who says that Naruto's nothing without Kurama should read the scan that Alpha (ironically gave to me)

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Stop running away from the fact that Naruto's Kurama's jinchuriki and there's no escaping that.

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

Agreed. Either way Naruto trained hard for Sage Mode, rasenshuriken and KM.

Sasuke got everything handed to him

Pretty much this, yep.

 

[Shiranui Genma]

Naruto > Sasuke anytime

 

[VolatileSoul]

Naruto's Sage Mode has nothing to do with his chakra wich is huge because he's an Uzumaki. Jiraiya and Hashirama for example also got Sage Mode and they have not so many chakra. Naruto would still be an Elite Shinobi who can become as strong as Hashirama is >>> Sasuke.

Show me were it says Uzumaki have large reserves. I remember Kushina saying they have a strong life force, and that she had unique chakra, and Yamato saying Naruto has powerful chakra, but never large reserves. If you can show me a manga scan or a databook reference, I'll concede.

Fail. Sage Mode is thanks to Naruto and Naruto only. This has nothing to do with Kurama.

Sage Mode requires large amounts of chakra or there is no point in even learning it. Where he got his chakra? Kurama. The training method he used to get Sage Mode was shadow clone spam. Usable only due to Kyuubi chakra.

And this changes what exactly about my 3 points/facts? The concept remains the same. Please come with something better.

Firstly, you petty opinions are not facts. Second, I have no intention of changing your way of thinking. I can't fix your denial.

Kyuubi afraid from Sasuke? Dude, stop da weed if ya can't handle da shit.

I never said anything about being afraid. I said the Kyuubi admitted inferiority. "A chakra more potent than my own, akin to Madara Uchiha." Kurama said something along those lines.

Naruto was able to defeat Kyuubi, something Sasuke can only dream about...

Yeah right. Naruto would be dead if Bee didn't take the first Bijuu Dama, and would be more Emo than Sasuke if his mother didn't save him from the hatred. Not to mention he had to have his mommy hold Kurama still so he could get in a hit. Let's not ignore the advantage of fighting in his own mind. Ripping away the Kyuubi's chakra and manipulating the seal to suppress Kurama. I'd hardly call that a legitimate victory.

Concept remains the same. Sasuke's real power is also given by his birth. So I ask you again, this changes what in my 3 points?

Indeed, nothing.

PS: Keep downgrading Naruto SM... Fail.

You've got to be kidding me. A birthright and having a demon sealed within you is as different as night and day. They are not the same, not that I'd expect you to admit it.

Stopped reading here.

Incredible... just incredible.

Sasuke is manipulated by Orochimaru in part 1, he got manipulated by Obito and now he got manipulated by Hashirama (Itachi)... He isn't a true avenger because he hasn't a strong own will/mind.

You've gotta be joking. If he were really successfully manipulated by Itachi, he wouldn't have turned dark. If he were successfully manipulated by Orochimaru, he would have been Orochimaru's new host. If he were successfully manipulated by Obito, he would not have killed Zetsu and walked out. Not to mention these guys are master manipulators and all failed. Of course, you won't accept this. You'll just continue with the silly delusion that he was manipulated so you can put him below Naruto. The fact that you think Hashirama's talk and Itachi's "I will always love" you is manipulation suggests you don't even know what the word means. Stay in denial all you want though. The facts are there. One of them being Sasuke has either beaten or stalemated with Naruto in each of their confrontations.

 

[VolatileSoul]

Pretty much this, yep.

I'm guessing Kyuubi isn't a handout?

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

I'm guessing Kyuubi isn't a handout?

It was a burden. Sasuke's gifts were no burdens. He didn't suffer from it like Naruto did. His powerful eyes, just like that. Look Oro's seal, just got it like that too. Same goes for Itachi's eyes, etc...

Anything else?

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

It was a burden. Sasuke's gifts were no burdens. He didn't suffer from it.

Anything else?

Kurama helped him much more than it did harm to him. To awaken the Sharingan and the Mangekyo Sharingan, you need to undergo a stressful/emotional experience and the Mangekyo Techniques also harm the user but just like Naruto's case it helped him more than it did harm to him.

Just sayin U_U

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

Kurama helped him much more than it did harm to him. To awaken the Sharingan and the Mangekyo Sharingan, you need to undergo a stressful/emotional experience and the Mangekyo Techniques also harm the user but just like Naruto's case it helped him more than it did harm to him.

Just sayin U_U

You do know you guys are actually agreeing with my 3 points in the OP then. That Naruto without Kurama would fodderstomp Sasuke without sharingan... Naruto still has Sage Mode left. Sasuke a simple, little chidori.

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

You do know you guys are actually agreeing with my 3 points in the OP then. That Naruto without Kurama would fodderstomp Sasuke without sharingan... Naruto still has Sage Mode left. Sasuke a simple, little chidori.

I kinda skipped all the posts, I wasn't aware this was a VS thread U_U. I agree Naruto>Sasuke

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

I kinda skipped all the posts, I wasn't aware this was a VS thread U_U. I agree Naruto>Sasuke

It wasn't, but it turned out like that all of the sudden lol.

 

[iRefleX]

I always laugh when I see some Sasuke-fans who can't accept the truth, writing down bullshit like "Naruto always cheats with Kurama"...


Let me explain something:

1. Sasuke is also born with his powerful eyes, remember. Just like Naruto with Kurama. Just like that. Take that power from his eyes away, and Sasuke is just a fodder. A shitty, little fodder. This while Naruto still has Sage Mode = Elite Shinobi. Naruto Sage Mode can be as great as Hashirama's SM when more experienced. Naruto is an Uzumaki wich means he has incredibly lot of chakra, so there is even a chance that he in the future can become a better SM user then the 'God of Shinobi' Hashirama himself. Do not ignore this. Naruto Sage Mode has nothing to do with Kurama. He can do this all by himself.

Edit: Look, even Kurama was scared! This says a lot!

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2. Naruto suffered from the Kyuubi for many years, it was not a gift. Naruto was man enough to handle the Kyuubi. For example, if Sasuke would have been the Jinchuuriki, believe me, Konoha was already destroyed because Kurama would have already manipulated Sasuke easily. If Orochimaru, Obito and others could manipulate Sasuke, then Kurama for sure. But not with Naruto, who's will and mind is much stronger then Sasuke's. Naruto gaining the respect from Kurama is his biggest victory till now.

3. AND last but not least, Naruto didn't choose to be the 9-tails Jinchuuriki. But Sasuke chose to 'cheat' when he went to Orochimaru because BASE NARUTO'S (!!!!) rasengan was more impressive then his chidori (remember... Lol) and he went apeshit and jealous and understood he needed some cheats. Also for his vengeance vs Itachi, yes, but remember back in part 1 how incredibly jealous and mad Sasuke was when he noticed Naruto's rasengan > his chidori.

- Dude. Sasuke was born with Sharingan. Naruto had kyuubi sealed in him when he was young.
- Naruto was not born with the Kyuubi, whereas sasuke was born with sharingan.

There is a difference...And Naruto would still be strong without Kyuubi. He has SM. But he is very weak then.

Get your facts right :/

 

[iRefleX]

Naruto has strong chakra too....To be able to supress the kyuubi's chakra need that

/facepalm...

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

There is a difference...And Naruto would still be strong without Kyuubi. He has SM. But he is very weak then.

What is this, I don't even...

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

For new readers... Pages 6-7-8-9-10 are very interesting to read. Each page is, but those especially. Some good debates and ownings in there.