Naruto is nothing without Kurama? Ha, FAIL!

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This is sad and pathetic, and I kinda feel sorry for you. Why do you feel so threatened by Sasuke, that you have to constantly make threads about how Naruto is superior to him? And why target Sasuke and his fans specifically? Don't you realize that there are people who like both characters and that there are Naruto haters that are not Sasuke fans?



Naruto is nothing without Kurama? Ha, FAIL!
I always laugh when I see some Sasuke-fans who can't accept the truth, writing down bullshit like "Naruto always cheats with Kurama"...

What has he accomplished without Kurama exactly? All of his techniques and abilities can be traced back to Kurama. Shadow Clones are a no brainer. Needs Kyuubi which allows him to spam it. Rasengan is only useable thanks to shadow clones, only able to summon at first thanks to Kyuubi, Sage mode is only usable because Kyuubi bolstered his reserves to that point. He literally can't use anything and take full credit for it because the Kyuubi has been bolstering his chakra from the day he was born. Only know can he do these things with his own power, but it was the Kyuubi that allowed him to have it in the first place.

Let me explain something:

1. Sasuke is also born with his powerful eyes, remember. Just like Naruto with Kurama. Just like that. Take that power from his eyes away, and Sasuke is just a fodder. A shitty, little fodder. This while Naruto still has Sage Mode = Elite Shinobi. Naruto Sage Mode can be as great as Hashirama's SM when more experienced. Naruto is an Uzumaki wich means he has incredibly lot of chakra, so there is even a chance that he in the future can become a better SM user then the 'God of Shinobi' Hashirama himself. Do not ignore this. Naruto Sage Mode has nothing to do with Kurama. He can do this all by himself.

Naruto wasn't born with Kurama. It was a gift from his father so he could be powerful. Like I said, I don't know why you target Sasuke unless you feel threatened by him(him constantly beating Naruto and doing it three times on panel and countless times off while Naruto has yet to touch him must be the cause of this.) Also, Sasuke was praised as a genius before he awoke sharingan. Him beating the demon brothers remember? Meanwhile, Naruto was only ever worth something while in Kyuubi rage. Not only that, Sharingan doesn't augment physical stats like strength, speed, and power like Kyuubi chakra does. Kyuubi gave Naruto large chakra reserves that Sage Mode needed.

Edit: Look, even Kurama was scared! This says a lot!

Kyuubi also admitted inferiority to Sasuke. Besides, he wasn't truly afraid of Naruto, just surprised.


2. Naruto suffered from the Kyuubi for many years, it was not a gift. Naruto was man enough to handle the Kyuubi. For example, if Sasuke would have been the Jinchuuriki, believe me, Konoha was already destroyed because Kurama would have already manipulated Sasuke easily. If Orochimaru, Obito and others could manipulate Sasuke, then Kurama for sure. But not with Naruto, who's will and mind is much stronger then Sasuke's. Naruto gaining the respect from Kurama is his biggest victory till now.

Despite the emotional pain the Kyuubi caused, it is no doubt that the Kyuubi is the source of the bulk of Naruto's power. The seal Minato used allowed trace amounts of the Kyuubi's chakra to seep in and mix with Naruto's own, giving him his large reserves, and therefore his power. His training method is only possible due to his large reserves, and this method gave him both Rasenshuriken and Sage Mode.

Also, no one has successfully manipulated Sasuke. Itachi admitted he failed it is evident as Sasuke went to the dark side. Orochimaru failed as Sasuke merely used him to get powerful and then locked him away inside himself. Obito failed as Sasuke isn't playing the role he wanted him to. Like Orochimaru, he used Obito to get his EMS and then killed Zetsu and walked out. He was influenced by them no doubt, but not manipulated. There is a difference.

3. AND last but not least, Naruto didn't choose to be the 9-tails Jinchuuriki. But Sasuke chose to 'cheat' when he went to Orochimaru because BASE NARUTO'S (!!!!) rasengan was more impressive then his chidori (remember... ) and he went apeshit and jealous and understood he needed some cheats. Also for his vengeance vs Itachi, yes, but remember back in part 1 how incredibly jealous and mad Sasuke was when he noticed Naruto's rasengan > his chidori.

Sasuke didn't choose to be an Uchiha or have Sharingan either so everything there is square. He went to Orochimaru because Itachi came and beat the shit out of him and he saw that Naruto was catching up to and rivaling him while his power remained stagnant, which was a wakeup call for him. It had nothing to do with there techniques, which are equal or which Chidori is superior, if their clashed are anything to go by. Don't blow things out of proportion. He wasn't jealous, just surprised that Naruto had come so far while he lagged behind. Besides, Naruto was jealous of Sasuke his entire life.
 

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Naruto is not a good judge of abilities
Not only did he know nothing of sasuke's skill at that point, but sasuke was blind, Naruto was just making excuses
This is completely biased. Being able to read some1 else mind give u pretty good idea on abilities. Probably he saw himself burn in amaterasu.
MS more or less equals sasuke, as this was the last time they were actually EQUAL
Feat wise in an arguement it can go either way honestly, so MS more or less equals SM Naruto
But where they clashed naruto would have destroyed sasuke
When they clashed naruto had no SM, it takes prep time. Sasuke wasnt all that blind, but his eyes were overtired at that moment. He was able to guard himself against kakashi and counter rasengan. Just as itachi he could pull susanoo for a moment just to smash naruto in danzo manner.
Feat wise, SM has nothing on amaterasu or genjutsu, even kabuto feared both.

U clearly are not impartial here, hater or fanboy or w/e. Defying manga scan like that makes me wonder.
 

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guys end this stupid debate.

Naruto will always be stronger than anyone due to being the main character.

In the Manga, Kishi made them to be equal.

Logically, BM = EMS sasuke [when shown his abilities].
 

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This is completely biased. Being able to read some1 else mind give u pretty good idea on abilities. Probably he saw himself burn in amaterasu.
When they clashed naruto had no SM, it takes prep time. Sasuke wasnt all that blind, but his eyes were overtired at that moment. He was able to guard himself against kakashi and counter rasengan. Just as itachi he could pull susanoo for a moment just to smash naruto in danzo manner.
Feat wise, SM has nothing on amaterasu or genjutsu, even kabuto feared both.

U clearly are not impartial here, hater or fanboy or w/e. Defying manga scan like that makes me wonder.

Im not really arguing, zetsu saw both powers and even said that sm naruto is better and actually saw both of them fight, SM = MS, honestly...

& naruto can easily make a few clones to occupy sasuke, then go into SM
Also sasuke couldnt even mold susanoo as he tried and it went down right back after 1 susanoo shoot
 

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Im not really arguing, zetsu saw both powers and even said that sm naruto is better and actually saw both of them fight, SM = MS, honestly...
Sasuke hasnt even awaken susanoo at that time. Zetsu was biased in saying naruto beat pain all alone -.-.
& naruto can easily make a few clones to occupy sasuke, then go into SM
Also sasuke couldnt even mold susanoo as he tried and it went down right back after 1 susanoo shoot
Yeah right, Base naruto clones vs MS sasuke? They gonna occupy him for long. Sasuke also was out of chakra some moments b4 and then pulled full susanoo.
 

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Sasuke hasnt even awaken susanoo at that time. Zetsu was biased in saying naruto beat pain all alone -.-.
Yeah right, Base naruto clones vs MS sasuke? They gonna occupy him for long. Sasuke also was out of chakra some moments b4 and then pulled full susanoo.

let's quit the wank shall we?

Sage Mode naruto > Ms Sasuke any day.

Sage mode:
  • Sage chakra
  • Monstor Strenght
  • strong tiajutsu
  • Danger sensing [No amaterasu, Susanoo arrow]
  • Flying RS
  • Toads

Ms sasuke wont last long and will be blind as soon as he pulls out Susano'o.
 

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let's quit the wank shall we?
Sage Mode naruto > Ms Sasuke any day.
Sage mode:
  • Sage chakra
  • Monstor Strenght
  • strong tiajutsu
  • Danger sensing [No amaterasu, Susanoo arrow]
  • Flying RS
  • Toads
Ms sasuke wont last long and will be blind as soon as he pulls out Susano'o.
Ur making me sad, I thought u weren't one of them :NO:
But yes ur wank is better...
Especially love the danger BS lol
 

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Sasuke hasnt even awaken susanoo at that time. Zetsu was biased in saying naruto beat pain all alone -.-.
Yeah right, Base naruto clones vs MS sasuke? They gonna occupy him for long. Sasuke also was out of chakra some moments b4 and then pulled full susanoo.
Thousands of clones is better than half blind sasuke, who couldnt even use MS anymore lol
This
By the way there is NO MORE MS sasuke, hes blind or an inferior version of MS
let's quit the wank shall we?

Sage Mode naruto > Ms Sasuke any day.


Sage mode:
  • Sage chakra
  • Monstor Strenght
  • strong tiajutsu
  • Danger sensing [No amaterasu, Susanoo arrow]
  • Flying RS
  • Toads

Ms sasuke wont last long and will be blind as soon as he pulls out Susano'o.
 

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Ur making me sad, I thought u weren't one of them :NO:
But yes ur wank is better...
Especially love the danger BS lol

i am unbiased even with my favorite characters [Obito]

Naruto has Danger sensing with Sage mode which means he can sense Amaterasu or Susano'o arrows coming and dodge them last minute.

Example:

Same thing he did fighting the 3rd Riakage who was on par with A in terms of Speed.

Ms sasuke loses this because of the MS strains. otherwise, he takes it
 

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Well this has been fun. U can rival each other into denying manga facts better thou.
Im no longer amused.

Sage.. u disappoint me in manga understanding. Maybe next time ill clear ur mind. Right now im outta here.
 

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This is completely biased. Being able to read some1 else mind give u pretty good idea on abilities. Probably he saw himself burn in amaterasu.
When they clashed naruto had no SM, it takes prep time. Sasuke wasnt all that blind, but his eyes were overtired at that moment. He was able to guard himself against kakashi and counter rasengan. Just as itachi he could pull susanoo for a moment just to smash naruto in danzo manner.
Feat wise, SM has nothing on amaterasu or genjutsu, even kabuto feared both.

U clearly are not impartial here, hater or fanboy or w/e. Defying manga scan like that makes me wonder.

Lol even Kakashi would've taken Sasuke at that point of time
 

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That goes the same for Sasuke without his DNA, mate.

That goes the same for EVERY ninja, in fact. ;)

Thats my point though, everybody keeps saying "naruto without kurama >>>> Sasuke without sharingan" Which is nonsense. You cant compare a powerup to a bloodline, thats like comparing apples & oranges.

Sasuke without sharingan = Naruto without his chakra. Kurama = EMS & thats all I'm getting across here.
 

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Thats my point though, everybody keeps saying "naruto without kurama >>>> Sasuke without sharingan" Which is nonsense. You cant compare a powerup to a bloodline, thats like comparing apples & oranges.

Sasuke without sharingan = Naruto without his chakra. Kurama = EMS & thats all I'm getting across here.

Even w/ all that stated Naruto still remains stronger
 

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If you take away both Naruto's Uzumaki bloodline and Sasuke's Uchiha bloodline then Sasuke is stronger. Naruto's stamina and chakra reserves is the key factor to almost everything he has right now - and yes that includes sage mode.
Bullshit.

Naruto's Sage Mode has nothing to do with his chakra wich is huge because he's an Uzumaki. Jiraiya and Hashirama for example also got Sage Mode and they have not so many chakra. Naruto would still be an Elite Shinobi who can become as strong as Hashirama is >>> Sasuke.

Words of truth by the lips of a child :p

You do know you got owned hard by several members...?

What has he accomplished without Kurama exactly? All of his techniques and abilities can be traced back to Kurama.
Fail. Sage Mode is thanks to Naruto and Naruto only. This has nothing to do with Kurama.


Naruto wasn't born with Kurama. It was a gift from his father so he could be powerful. Like I said, I don't know why you target Sasuke unless you feel threatened by him(him constantly beating Naruto and doing it three times on panel and countless times off while Naruto has yet to touch him must be the cause of this.)
And this changes what exactly about my 3 points/facts? The concept remains the same. Please come with something better.


Kyuubi also admitted inferiority to Sasuke. Besides, he wasn't truly afraid of Naruto, just surprised.
Kyuubi afraid from Sasuke? Dude, stop da weed if ya can't handle da shit.

Naruto was able to defeat Kyuubi, something Sasuke can only dream about...


Despite the emotional pain the Kyuubi caused, it is no doubt that the Kyuubi is the source of the bulk of Naruto's power. The seal Minato used allowed trace amounts of the Kyuubi's chakra to seep in and mix with Naruto's own, giving him his large reserves, and therefore his power. His training method is only possible due to his large reserves, and this method gave him both Rasenshuriken and Sage Mode.
Concept remains the same. Sasuke's real power is also given by his birth. So I ask you again, this changes what in my 3 points?

Indeed, nothing.

PS: Keep downgrading Naruto SM... Fail.

Also, no one has successfully manipulated Sasuke.
Stopped reading here.

Incredible... just incredible.

Sasuke is manipulated by Orochimaru in part 1, he got manipulated by Obito and now he got manipulated by Hashirama (Itachi)... He isn't a true avenger because he hasn't a strong own will/mind.


let's quit the wank shall we?

Sage Mode naruto > Ms Sasuke any day.

Sage mode:
  • Sage chakra
  • Monstor Strenght
  • strong tiajutsu
  • Danger sensing [No amaterasu, Susanoo arrow]
  • Flying RS
  • Toads

Ms sasuke wont last long and will be blind as soon as he pulls out Susano'o.

Most of us, the people who can understand a manga, already know. But thanks! :)

Well this has been fun. U can rival each other into denying manga facts better thou.
Im no longer amused.

Sage.. u disappoint me in manga understanding. Maybe next time ill clear ur mind. Right now im outta here.

This is hilarious. You got owned big time and now you are actually believing you won the debate?

You are living in your own world, mate.
Sasuke without sharingan = Naruto without his chakra. Kurama = EMS & thats all I'm getting across here.

Naruto would still have chakra, tho. So he would still have Sage Mode wich will be enough to be >>> fodder Sasuke without sharingan. ;)

Even w/ all that stated Naruto still remains stronger

This.
 
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And Sasuke only trained for his chidori lol, all his other 'powers' are just 'given'... just like that.


Also funny how a few keep denying the OP and keep denying the 3 points. Those are facts if you understand what you are reading in this manga.
 
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This should end this thread long time ago Lol.
No kurama no multi shadow clone jutsu
No kurama no Rasenshuriken, the only worth thing about SM.

Did I miss that Naruto can't create Rasengan the proper way without his borrowed power or his multi shadow clones jutsu which come from Kurama's help? Lol
He can't even show Futon jutsu besides the cheated Rasenshuriken Lol
Genin level shinobi is going to become Hokage, Lol

Although the list of Naruto's flaws is endless.
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Everything you said, but really everything... is just 100% wrong and already explained in this thread.

You can't debate, so you are trying to destroy this thread with this lame nonsense.

Sorry, but look at 75% of the comments... the thanks... more then 25 reps... NarutoBase is not stupid, the truth has been told.
 

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Just read the entire thread. Some good debates, some funny posts and good disses. But honestly, the Naruto fans own big time once again here. Totally agree with them.

Good thread! Went a little 'fanboyism' sometimes, but overall good! More of this please!
 

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