Naruto is nothing without Kurama? Ha, FAIL!

[johnnyindigo]

I read them all, all are debatable. I didnt come here for another flame war.

The fact that every ninja skill was linked to sharingan here is pathetic. I can claim then that no1 ever is good with ninja tools if so. Katon isnt exclusive to uchiha either. Therefore sasuke still retains it. Tunnel vision is issue for frontal attacks, one can use chidori differently, but same would apply to rasengan.
Being smart or genius isnt linked to uchiha either and helps in every battle.
Uzumakis have the strong body which leads to stamina w/o it naruto cant have SM. Look at nagato he's stamina beast cuz he's uzumaki.

Understandable, anyway this will be my last post for now as I must take my leave.
1. Everything is linked to the sharingan because its true.
He learned katon before even entering the academy, and this was because of his uchiha heritage that his father taught him + every uchiha has fire as do sarutobis
2. How did he even learn lightning release? Kakashi taught him chidori, BECAUSE he had the sharingan, and w/o it the chidori can not be used to its full potential,
His other lightning techs are still variants of his initial CHIDORI, which would not have been taught to him if he didn't have sharingan
3. The rasengan has never been mentioned to give the user tunnel vision, so until explicitly said I cannot agree
4. Jiraiya is not an uzumaki, but yet he has SM, so saying that Naruto won'y have SM is your OPINION
5. The mentioning of Nagato is irrelevant

Lastly, you called my arguement pathetic, BUT
I gave point by point as to why they are indeed true so theres that

 

[Murasame]

Understandable, anyway this will be my last post for now as I must take my leave.
1. Everything is linked to the sharingan because its true.
He learned katon before even entering the academy, and this was because of his uchiha heritage that his father taught him + every uchiha has fire as do sarutobis
2. How did he even learn lightning release? Kakashi taught him chidori, BECAUSE he had the sharingan, and w/o it the chidori can not be used to its full potential,
His other lightning techs are still variants of his initial CHIDORI, which would not have been taught to him if he didn't have sharingan
3. The rasengan has never been mentioned to give the user tunnel vision, so until explicitly said I cannot agree
4. Jiraiya is not an uzumaki, but yet he has SM, so saying that Naruto won'y have SM is your OPINION
5. The mentioning of Nagato is irrelevant

Lastly, you called my arguement pathetic, BUT
I gave point by point as to why they are indeed true so theres that

Lol You destroyed him but watch out he may come up with some excuses so just ignore him.. he'll be in denial no matter what you say.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Understandable, anyway this will be my last post for now as I must take my leave.
1. Everything is linked to the sharingan because its true.
He learned katon before even entering the academy, and this was because of his uchiha heritage that his father taught him + every uchiha has fire as do sarutobis

Many who has fire release, in every nation there is some1 with it. So false.

2. How did he even learn lightning release? Kakashi taught him chidori, BECAUSE he had the sharingan, and w/o it the chidori can not be used to its full potential,
His other lightning techs are still variants of his initial CHIDORI, which would not have been taught to him if he didn't have sharingan

Sharingan perfects chidori, cuz it enables frontal attacks. Its a close range attack can be used as such regardless with or w/o sharingan. Raikaged dont have it.
Variants sasuke learned on his own, not linked to sharingan. So false.

3. The rasengan has never been mentioned to give the user tunnel vision, so until explicitly said I cannot agree

Well use some logic then. Close range attack at high speeds one gets tunnel vision. Jiraya commented that it wasnt enough to just charge in, so did kabuto.

4. Jiraiya is not an uzumaki, but yet he has SM, so saying that Naruto won'y have SM is your OPINION

Jiraya is exceptional shinobi from his clan. Just as madara and hashirama are exceptions among senju/uchiha fodders. Naruto has stamina due to his heritage otherwise sasuke has equal chance of high stamina.

5. The mentioning of Nagato is irrelevant

Its not, just as senjus are knows for body/stamina.

Lastly, you called my arguement pathetic, BUT
I gave point by point as to why they are indeed true so theres that

Well, ill refrain from calling names, but i disprove all mentioned above.

 

[johnnyindigo]

Many who has fire release, in every nation there is some1 with it. So false.Sharingan perfects chidori, cuz it enables frontal attacks. Its a close range attack can be used as such regardless with or w/o sharingan. Raikaged dont have it.
Variants sasuke learned on his own, not linked to sharingan. So false.
Well use some logic then. Close range attack at high speeds one gets tunnel vision. Jiraya commented that it wasnt enough to just charge in, so did kabuto.
Jiraya is exceptional shinobi from his clan. Just as madara and hashirama are exceptions among senju/uchiha fodders. Naruto has stamina due to his heritage otherwise sasuke has equal chance of high stamina.
Its not, just as senjus are knows for body/stamina.

Well, ill refrain from calling names, but i disprove all mentioned above.

1 still it is because he is an uchiha he has katon no?
2. Even minato said he shudnt use that technique its not good unless in conjuncture w/ sharingan and kakashi wouldnt have taught him it if he didnt have sharingan
3 show me scan? Exactly where it said rasengan gives you tunnel vision
4. What clan does jiraiya hale from for you to say hes exceptional
Shows that you dont need extreme body to gave SM
5. Still jiraiya is not senju

You may not approve but you cannot deny

 

[AlphaScythian]

1 still it is because he is an uchiha he has katon no?

Given some list of people that have it, he could have one. Katon isnt considered rare, and pretty common in konoha. So 50/50

2. Even minato said he shudnt use that technique its not good unless in conjuncture w/ sharingan and kakashi wouldnt have taught him it if he didnt have sharingan

U lack deep analysis then. Charging upfront, no good. But u can use it as regular knife or kunai from close distance depending on situation.

3 show me scan? Exactly where it said rasengan gives you tunnel vision

Chidori itself doesnt give tunnel vision either. /duh. Speed does.

4. What clan does jiraiya hale from for you to say hes exceptional
Shows that you dont need extreme body to gave SM
5. Still jiraiya is not senju

Clan is unknown. Jiraya however was mentioned as only 1 other then naruto to have enough stamina for Toads Sage Mode. It makes him exceptional, as raikages are too as kisame is. He's not senju but exceptional shinobi > senju/uchiha fodder. Chances of naruto having same stamina w/o his heritage are slim.

You may not approve but you cannot deny

U sure about it?

 

[johnnyindigo]

Given some list of people that have it, he could have one. Katon isnt considered rare, and pretty common in konoha. So 50/50U lack deep analysis then. Charging upfront, no good. But u can use it as regular knife or kunai from close distance depending on situation.Chidori itself doesnt give tunnel vision either. /duh. Speed does.
Clan is unknown. Jiraya however was mentioned as only 1 other then naruto to have enough stamina for Toads Sage Mode. It makes him exceptional, as raikages are too as kisame is. He's not senju but exceptional shinobi > senju/uchiha fodder. Chances of naruto having same stamina w/o his heritage are slim.
U sure about it?

Not slim minato is not fodder ninja w/ no stamina so 50/50
When you charge w/ chidori ur speed seems to increases, as people also lower their heads but not w/ rasengan
That is why kakashi taught it to him so he can use it in conjunction w/ sharingan
W/O that no lightning
Katon was taught by his father because it is one of his clans nitches tho
& positive

 

[AlphaScythian]

Not slim minato is not fodder ninja w/ no stamina so 50/50

Kushina is exeptional thou, and she is the uzumaki. So 25/75

When you charge w/ chidori ur speed seems to increases, as people also lower their heads but not w/ rasengan
That is why kakashi taught it to him so he can use it in conjunction w/ sharingan
W/O that no lightning

Dont make me laugh. I am hated here true, but what else can i do but belittle some1 that states this kind of things. Chidori can be used just like rasengan, however when u need to breach stronger defense u have to add kinetic power, thus run. Ur too fixated on chidori thou. Its variants are very amazing and give new tactical capabilities in close fight.

Katon was taught by his father because it is one of his clans nitches tho
& positive

Uchiha heritage brings mainly sharingan and powerful chakras. The katon element is artificially achieved due to inbreeding. Meaning that at some given point the head of the clan decided on inbreeding to preserve sharingan and they preserved katon as well cuz he had one.

 

[johnnyindigo]

Kushina is exeptional thou, and she is the uzumaki. So 25/75Dont make me laugh. I am hated here true, but what else can i do but belittle some1 that states this kind of things. Chidori can be used just like rasengan, however when u need to breach stronger defense u have to add kinetic power, thus run. Ur too fixated on chidori thou. Its variants are very amazing and give new tactical capabilities in close fight. Uchiha heritage brings mainly sharingan and powerful chakras. The katon element is artificially achieved due to inbreeding. Meaning that at some given point the head of the clan decided on inbreeding to preserve sharingan and they preserved katon as well cuz he had one.

You dont need be an uzumaki thats my point, saying that he wont is speculation
Its variants are amazing but it comes from the initial technique chidori which was taught because of the sharingan
Chidori is similar but not equal and rasengan hasnt been noted for that or people like minato and such wouldnt use it
Katon is a result of being an uchiha

 

[Meowazziel]

no. sasuke have DNA for awaken sharingan like naruto have DNA to sealing kyuubi

No. Sharingan is part of Sasuke his DNA. Kurama isnt part of Naruto's DNA. Naruto's DNA is strong enough to house Kurama, but Kurama is not part of Uzumaki DNA. Sasuke is compatible with curse seal, but curse seal is not part of Uchiha DNA either.

 

[AlphaScythian]

You dont need be an uzumaki thats my point, saying that he wont is speculation

Thats true, but then u need to be as exceptional as jiraya to have SM. Given that naruto is exceptional already, enough to get SM. U then need to deduct his stamina heritage and its doubtful for him to have one then. Not to mention sasuke may have SM then too right?

Its variants are amazing but it comes from the initial technique chidori which was taught because of the sharingan
Chidori is similar but not equal and rasengan hasnt been noted for that or people like minato and such wouldnt use it

3rd Raikage uses it, kakashi gave it to sasuke cuz he had raiton nature mainly. Sharingan was bonus, its still useful technique, u just cant use it head on w/o sharingan.

Katon is a result of being an uchiha

Yes, and uchiha result of inbreeding. I doubt Elder son was named uchiha. So it was some descendant with katon that locked it in due to inbreeding. Main heritage is sharingan and powerful chakra.
Senju were named a clan of 1000 techniques, but its artificial as well.

 

[EternalFlame]

What's the point of this thread?

He isn't "nothing" but he's not stronger then Sasuke.

If you take away both Naruto's Uzumaki bloodline and Sasuke's Uchiha bloodline then Sasuke is stronger. Naruto's stamina and chakra reserves is the key factor to almost everything he has right now - and yes that includes sage mode. Sasuke would still have his "godlike" speed and thus speed blitz Naruto and put a Kunai in his neck.

If we give both characters all their abilities they gain from their genetics then Sasuke is still stronger. MS Sasuke > SM Naruto - According to Naruto himself he said he was weaker then a half-blind worn out MS Sasuke.

 

[AlphaScythian]

What's the point of this thread?
He isn't "nothing" but he's not stronger then Sasuke.
If you take away both Naruto's Uzumaki bloodline and Sasuke's Uchiha bloodline then Sasuke is stronger. Naruto's stamina and chakra reserves is the key factor to almost everything he has right now - and yes that includes sage mode. Sasuke would still have his "godlike" speed and thus speed blitz Naruto and put a Kunai in his neck.
If we give both characters all their abilities they gain from their genetics then Sasuke is still stronger. MS Sasuke > SM Naruto - According to Naruto himself he said he was weaker then a half-blind worn out MS Sasuke.

Words of truth by the lips of a child

 

[johnnyindigo]

What's the point of this thread?

He isn't "nothing" but he's not stronger then Sasuke.

If you take away both Naruto's Uzumaki bloodline and Sasuke's Uchiha bloodline then Sasuke is stronger. Naruto's stamina and chakra reserves is the key factor to almost everything he has right now - and yes that includes sage mode. Sasuke would still have his "godlike" speed and thus speed blitz Naruto and put a Kunai in his neck.

If we give both characters all their abilities they gain from their genetics then Sasuke is still stronger. MS Sasuke > SM Naruto - According to Naruto himself he said he was weaker then a half-blind worn out MS Sasuke.

You obviously didnt read any previous points & are therefore ignorant
Zetsu said sm>ms
MS = SM
and if you read my previous post i said why naruto would have sm
& you dont have the official viz scan
& lastly if you believe that blind sasuke > sm naruto you have a screw loose

 

[Sennin of Logic]

And sasuke said the otherwise. So which one is it?

Definitely Naruto. Naruto traveled to the location with sage mode. So it's extremely likely he was tracking Sakura's chakra and sensed Sasuke's susanoo. Sasuke also has a superiority complex. He's not a good judge of abilities.

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And yet, Naruto's transformation was good enough to fool jonin like Zabuza. I didn't respond quickly since there were things that I had to take care of.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Thank you. The guy probably skimmed through the parts when Kurama was sealed inside Mito and then Kishina, and Naruto was only turned into a vessel because Kushina was succumbing to death. What a lark. Take this rep, sir.

You're a hypocrite. You say that you agree that you don't like it when powers that people are born with are taken away. Yet, I haven't seen you correct ONE Sasuke fanboy that does this. You've only been correcting Naruto fans.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Sasuke without EMS is reduced to six Raiton Variants which he holds a mastery over, together with three powerful Katon attacks, incredible base speed, insane skill in Shuriken Jutsu and Kenjutsu, great perception, traps setting ability etcetra. If this is a fodder, then you need serious help.



You mean your pointless subjective opinion that is as always, very entertaining?



Trained for what? Working with Jiraiya? That sounds so ridiculous and contrived. It makes zero sense and is made up logic from you, as usual.

- Raiton attacks - Aside of Chidori, he created all 5 by himself.

- Katon attack - His father only taught him the basics, he trained to perfect it himself along with other Katon attacks. In fact, Fugaku was shown to be busy with Itachi as well. After the Massacre, Sasuke got where he was because of his own hard work. And Naruto was ... well, let's not even go there.

- Shuriken and Kenjutsu - He perfected it himself, and progressed it further from part one string and Shuriken manipulation.

Compare this to Naruto's Kurama training - He just formed a bond. Meditated for Kurama to convert itself to his *****. The hard work. Don't even go there that he used Rasangan and all that on Kurama, when that battle was inside his consciousness. It wasn't even an actual battle in a physical realm.

That and his clone techniques, and large pool of Uzumaki chakra. Another mode of hard work.



Jiraiya was teaching him chakra control regardless, which means it can be achieved regardless of being a vessel or not. In fact, Jiraya's own chakra control is not very effective, given by his own statements. That is Bijuu chakra, not base mode chakra that is controlled effectively depending upon bond. It isn't exactly physical training. The Rasangan usage is still far and wide.

This is not a good argument. Biju chakra is stronger than normal. What's easier to control, a pistol, or a cannon? Is it easier to do delicate operations with less force, or more force?

 

[AlphaScythian]

Definitely Naruto. Naruto traveled to the location with sage mode. So it's extremely likely he was tracking Sakura's chakra and sensed Sasuke's susanoo. Sasuke also has a superiority complex. He's not a good judge of abilities.
And yet, Naruto's transformation was good enough to fool jonin like Zabuza. I didn't respond quickly since there were things that I had to take care of.

Sasuke is pretty sharp on abilities and overall. Its true that he wont ever admit being inferior to naruto, but neither will naruto. Mute point here.
However i looked up to that viz translation.
Naruto stated that u cant beat sasuke by just being strong.

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Oh and i found it. Hope it puts the end to debate MS>SM

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Sasuke is pretty sharp on abilities and overall. Its true that he wont ever admit being inferior to naruto, but neither will naruto. Mute point here.
However i looked up to that viz translation.
Naruto stated that u cant beat sasuke by just being strong.

Are you sure it didn't said what's inside of him? Also, Naruto does brag, but he was dead serious when he met up with Sasuke. This will be my last comment for today.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Are you sure it didn't said what's inside of him? Also, Naruto does brag, but he was dead serious when he met up with Sasuke. This will be my last comment for today.

He said i just saw it "inside of him" (or at least in this context)
Oh and look above

 

[johnnyindigo]

Sasuke is pretty sharp on abilities and overall. Its true that he wont ever admit being inferior to naruto, but neither will naruto. Mute point here.
However i looked up to that viz translation.
Naruto stated that u cant beat sasuke by just being strong.

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Oh and i found it. Hope it puts the end to debate MS>SM

Naruto is not a good judge of abilities
Not only did he know nothing of sasuke's skill at that point, but sasuke was blind, Naruto was just making excuses
MS more or less equals sasuke, as this was the last time they were actually EQUAL
Feat wise in an arguement it can go either way honestly, so MS more or less equals SM Naruto
But where they clashed naruto would have destroyed sasuke