Naruto is messed up in many ways now

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Are you complaining that Kurama is too strong now, or too weak? You are saying he's both.

The 10 tails is missing its two biggest pieces of chakra, that's why it's not just owning everything.
Consider the scenes where you feel Tobi > Obito. Then remember that Tobi is Obito, and he can not be any stronger, or weaker than himself.
 
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While you do raise some good points, you seem to have overlooked the fact that Madara and Obito have been preoccupied with handling the Ten Tails. As you've seen when they try out the tail beast bombs, they are trying to see how it works. They need to see how to work the strings. The fact that Lee hit Madara was not at all out of context. Madara was rather relaxed, underestimating everything and everyone except the Juubi. Lee caught him with intense speed. He has been letting Obito take lead, because he primarily wants to see Obito's capabilities as well as where his allegiance stands. He knows that he can obliterate the army and Naruto, but first wants to get the Juubi into its optimal stage. Now, however, the cord linking him and Obito to the Juubi has been cut, which means he will undoubtedly be furious. With that said, we may see a lot more of his wrath. The Kyuubi is keeping up with the Juubi for the sole reason that the Juubi is not at it's fullest capacity as well as the fact that it is not being used properly. Don't forget, this is the first time Obito and even Madara have used a tail beast of this size and prowess. Furthermore, Obito still has Rinnegan powers that have yet to be brought to light. I urge you to keep in mind that Masashi is showing us his plans at a slow pace. We found out why Obito was able to use his Mangekyou Sharingan for so long without going blind (Senju DNA) and why he was so impacted by Rin's death (the fact that Uchiha are biologically different in terms of dealing with a traumatic loss). With that said, Masashi is slowly showing us the clearer picture and why he has done what he has.
 
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The story is getting a bit awkward now.
The timelines are getting weird, I won't explain this point but you guys have probably realized this
Madara, who destroyed just about a whole army with meteors, overpowered all 5 hokages and who has 10 tails by his side is getting his ass kicked by nine tail powered ninjas?

After the Obito reveal, even his strength feels diminished, he just doesn't seem so powerful anymore.
Ten tails >>>>>>>>> Nine tails
Nine tails is on half its original strength, but still he is able to survive, infact able to FIGHT ten tails.
All this is just a bit weird. Nine tails was portrayed to be so strong in the starting episodes of naruto and even in naruto vs pain but after he joined his chakra with Naruto he seems to be way weaker now. Uggh
1. Madara doesnt solo the alliance because he will end up killing obito in the pprocess, ruining his plan

2. Its because tobito isnt a mystery anymore, hes shown even more powerful techs now that he's been revealed

3. Kurama is fueling the whole SA, he is still quite strong

4. And as for the timeline, imo people are overthinking it and next chapter will go into more detail im sure

5. the story isnt even done yet get out of kishi's face lol
 

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Are you complaining that Kurama is too strong now, or too weak? You are saying he's both.

The 10 tails is missing its two biggest pieces of chakra, that's why it's not just owning everything.
Consider the scenes where you feel Tobi > Obito. Then remember that Tobi is Obito, and he can not be any stronger, or weaker than himself.
You don't understand my point.
I meant to say that Tobi was seen as the strongest character in the arc and then suddenly after everyone found out he was Obito, he suddenly became an average villain, Madara being the actual strong one now. The name madara symbolized power and made Tobi seem extremely powerful but now that we all know he isn't madara, he's just a sidekick. He just seems to have lost his importance and power, he feels like a shadow of his former self
 

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1. Madara doesnt solo the alliance because he will end up killing obito in the pprocess, ruining his plan

2. Its because tobito isnt a mystery anymore, hes shown even more powerful techs now that he's been revealed

3. Kurama is fueling the whole SA, he is still quite strong

4. And as for the timeline, imo people are overthinking it and next chapter will go into more detail im sure

5. the story isnt even done yet get out of kishi's face lol

He has other jutsu than just blowing the whole place up, He doesn't necessarily have to sit on top of the juubi.
 

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While you do raise some good points, you seem to have overlooked the fact that Madara and Obito have been preoccupied with handling the Ten Tails. As you've seen when they try out the tail beast bombs, they are trying to see how it works. They need to see how to work the strings. The fact that Lee hit Madara was not at all out of context. Madara was rather relaxed, underestimating everything and everyone except the Juubi. Lee caught him with intense speed. He has been letting Obito take lead, because he primarily wants to see Obito's capabilities as well as where his allegiance stands. He knows that he can obliterate the army and Naruto, but first wants to get the Juubi into its optimal stage. Now, however, the cord linking him and Obito to the Juubi has been cut, which means he will undoubtedly be furious. With that said, we may see a lot more of his wrath. The Kyuubi is keeping up with the Juubi for the sole reason that the Juubi is not at it's fullest capacity as well as the fact that it is not being used properly. Don't forget, this is the first time Obito and even Madara have used a tail beast of this size and prowess. Furthermore, Obito still has Rinnegan powers that have yet to be brought to light. I urge you to keep in mind that Masashi is showing us his plans at a slow pace. We found out why Obito was able to use his Mangekyou Sharingan for so long without going blind (Senju DNA) and why he was so impacted by Rin's death (the fact that Uchiha are biologically different in terms of dealing with a traumatic loss). With that said, Masashi is slowly showing us the clearer picture and why he has done what he has.
Hopefully all you say will be true.
Because currently it seems that Madara isn't as powerful as he should've been at all
 

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What about Madara? 10 tails is an extra super power but Madara can meteor the F*** out of the army man
He probably couldn't since he was connected to the juubi, if I remember correctly he wasn't using any jutsu while he was connected to the juubi. Now that he isn't he probably will start fighting back. But anyways I want kishi to finish this obito and madara situation already, its getting boring. He probably will seal madara soon, he probably brought the kages back for that reason.
 

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The story would be much better if Naruto, and all other Shinobi of the Shinobi alliance died. Then let the Uchiha clan take over and rule the Narutoworld.
 

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You don't understand my point.
I meant to say that Tobi was seen as the strongest character in the arc and then suddenly after everyone found out he was Obito, he suddenly became an average villain, Madara being the actual strong one now. The name madara symbolized power and made Tobi seem extremely powerful but now that we all know he isn't madara, he's just a sidekick. He just seems to have lost his importance and power, he feels like a shadow of his former self
How can someone so involved in the plot suddenly lose his "importance" to it? It's so stupid. I mean, the guy is basically the reason manga exists.
Madara and Obito are portrayed as partners who don't like each other, I think it's pretty clear.
 

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Naruto isn't messed up. It's just getting out of proportion. I mean why does rock lee need the nine tail's chakra if he rarely uses chakra? Kishimoto is just trying to make the arc more significant.
 
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