Naruto is Kage level? How come guys?
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it's like talking to wood.
Sasuke's eyes are his. He unlocked that power. If you take sasuke's eye, you now have sasuke's power. Sasuke lost his power. If you take kakashi's eye; You now have obito's power. Kakashi lost obito's power.
Sasuke using power in his blood has absolutely nothing to do with a guy who has to ask a seperate entity for chakra. Naruto only has a portion of kyuubi's chakra, even after he gained control. The chakra pool he has can still run out and he'd have to rely on kyuubi (BM). If kyuubi says **** you, naruto is screwed. It all relies on whether the kyuubi complies, because it's a completely seperate being. Wtf does having an eye have to do with having a completely different living organism?
Kakashi's sharingan is like me having a gun; It boosts my power, and it's technically mine since it can't think or move for itself. It can't rebel.
Naruto and kyuubi is like me having a blackmailed soldier; I can use his abilities a bit, but for his full abilities, it depends on whether or not he tells me to **** myself. Kyuubi can still turn on naruto and take him over, It is in no way naruto; it's still a completely different being.
As to your nonsense point about naruto not being pregnant; I don't remember gaara, roshi, or any of the other 7 jins being pregnant. You're just making stupid points because you don't want to admit that kyuubi is not naruto. He's just an organism helping naruto because he was forced to share the same body. It is only because if naruto dies, the kyuubi dies that the kyuubi even fathoms helping him. If not for that, naruto would have never gotten a single shred of help the entire series.
Also, A jinchuuriki would only be stronger than the tailed beast because it's basically the tailed beast + the power of the host. Notice it's not the power of the host, it's the power of the tailed beast and something else.
SM, Shadow clones, Rasengan, etc are all solely naruto's skill and ability.
Kyuubi is something completely different.
And before you post nonsense;
Kakashi's eye is borrowed power. Hashi's cells is borrowed power. even ET is borrowed power because you're banking on the skill of other ninja. Because you can use the ability/skill, doesn't mean it still wasn't someone else's and you're just basically using their power.
Why are people constantly bringing up other shinobi to argue with me? I'm not mentioning anyone else but naruto. Did i say this logic doesn't apply to other shinobi? No i didn't but let's destroy your post.Biozim said:
EMS - EMS isn't like having kyuubi. EMS is your power + the power of another blood relative implanted into you. You still borrowed the power of your brother, but the eye can't rebel and stop helping you. The EMS can't be extracted to work on it's own. The eye won't just sit on the ground spamming susano'o's; it wouldn't be able to do a thing. If someone stole the kyuubi; they didn't steal naruto's power, they stole the kyuubi. If someone stole EMS, they stole the owner's and his brother's power.
Bee's BEast - It's the exact same thing. Bee borrows the hachibi's chakra to boost his own. But, Unlike naruto who is pretty much jonin at best in base, bee is a top level nin even in base. Base bee is able to use lightning release and kenjutsu at a level to completely shit wreck an MS user. Base bee and Base naruto(I haven't mentioned SM yet, so don't even bring it up) are at completely different levels, but they still borrow power from their beast.
The first post I made also said that base naruto is Jonin at best, BUT, He reaches about low kage level in SM. I never said naruto couldn't reach to Kage levels, the fact is, with the kyuubi he can only sit in SM for 5 minutes. Remove the Kyuubi and he can stay longer, but he'd still be about low kage level.
Lastly, Wtf do I care about time? by that logic, If i gave every shinobi 70 years, they'd all be able to reach kage level. What would be the point of ranking them? I should say sakura is a kage then? I don't care how he'd be in 50 years time, it's about how he is now. 50 years doesn't matter to me.
I already lost respect for this post when you said I'm an idiot.SAW2097 said:
The 9 tails chakra has been leaking into naruto's chakra system from childhood boosting his reserves. If naruto never got the kyuubi, he'd never be able to use 1000 shadow clones. Even if he were to lose kyuubi, that would become impratical because it would be suicide. He'd drain almost all his chakra in one go and suffer severe damage from clones being destroyed.
Like I said, the 9 tails chakra leaked into his system. FURTHERMORE, A very overlooked aspect as that the 9 tails healing played a very heavy role in him gaining SM quickly. IF it wasn't for the kyuubi, he wouldn't be able to sustain 3 shadow clones all day long and then recover by the next day to use it again. It's been established that he has severely enhanced stamina regeneration because of that fox, and that's the driving force for almost all the jutsu he's learnt and been able to use.
MR sImple never mentioned Sasuke in his OP. Everyone just keeps bringing up his name. Sasuke has nothing to do with kyuubi helping naruto.
Mass shadow clones - Kyuubi's chakra increasing naruto's own to allow this+ kyuubi regeneration allowing him to quickly regain stamina and recover from injury.
Rasengan - Kyuubi stamina regeneration allowed him to learn it so quickly (But i'm not saying he wouldn't have learnt it without the kyuubi. It would have just taken far longer)
Rasenshuriken - He'd literally not have this jutsu. He had to rely heavily on the kyuubi to sustain 1000 clones and recover stamina. He pushed so hard to just master his wind nature that he kept partially transforming.
SM - He wouldn't have it as quickly. Stamina recovery helped gain it so quickly and allowed him to continue training so long, and so hard.
If naruto was never a jin he'd have;
A few shadow clones (maybe 5 at a time) to use through fights, or a mass shadow clone to drain almost all hise chakra in one go,.
Rasengan
Most likely imperfect SM
Frog summons
Infact, Naruto wouldn't even have the drive to become hokage because the main reason he wanted to was because the kyuubi made him hated throughout the village and he wanted respect. By that fact alone he wouldn't have trained NEARLY as hard.
He wouldn't have;
An almost unlimited chakra pool
Massively improved healing AND stamina regeneration
The drive to earn the respect of villages which initially drove him to training so hard. It's because he was always lonely that he even learnt that value of friendship and is on this whole friendship wagon.
No KCM
NO Rasenshuriken
No BM
No Kage Bushin Spamming 24/7 throughout a fight without any regard.
And most importantly, not a care in the world. Akatsuki wouldn't be behind him.
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Naruto beat Kurama and took his chakra from him. This makes the 9 tails chakra itself Naruto's power. He just needs Kurama to transform. However, it counts as their combined strength. Natuo's in the driver seat most of the time, not Kurama. It's still counts as Naruto's skill as a ninja. Not one character in NV doesn't consider it as Naruto's power. So, apparently, in terms of skill of ninja, it doesn't matter.
So you mean the fact that naruto himself calls it the kyuubi's chakra, and not his, means absolutely nothing?
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And I guess the Hachibi himself telling naruto that the kyuubi can still kill him means nothing? I didn't realise that 'your own power' could do this. Man... Maybe i should be careful with my foot, it might try to kill me...
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You can't barter your own power. The fact that you have to negotiate with the beast (Borrow and Lend) means that it's not your power.
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Of course that that Naruto is receiving power from Kyuubi. Thats obvious. However... you can be given great power and not being able to use it at all. Thats the reason why Madara aknowledged Narutos skill as Jinchuuriki. Naruto trained to use chakra arms and TBB, its not like he can use them just becuase Kurama allows him to.
Just compare Sasuke to Madara. Both have EMS, however its clear which one is stronger at this point. And its not becuase Madara has better eyes, its all about the skill.
So you think that skill doesnt matter? Thats simply not true. Just compare Sasuke from the battle against Bee and Sasuke from battle against Danzo. Which one was stronger? Obviously, the latter. However, Sasuke that fought against Bee had better eyes, simply becuase when he met with Danzo his eyesight was already detoriated. Skill matters. A lot.
I'm not talking about skill at all. I'm talking about the fact that the kyuubi's power isn't naruto's. What he can do with it doesn't matter. The simple fact is that he's manipulating someone else's power. I don't know what your last point had to do with anything. I'd just like to clear up that this isn't about naruto not being kage level. It's about people responding to my post that;
Base naruto <= Jonin
SM Naruto = Low/mid Kage
KCM/BM Naruto = High kage
and people suddenly responding that kurama is naruto's power.
All of who? Jins? If so, then pretty much.Biozim said:
If you mean all ninja, then no. Alot of ninja don't use other entities/shinobi's ability
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Yep, way too behind them but it can't be helped,
nothing is going to change, we're at the end of the show,
so I presume that he will never be able to improve his skills,
it doesn't even make sense anymore seeing that he relies on his borrowed power though...
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Jeez is anyone else getting tired of this crap, his power not his power who seriously cares so much we get pages of butthurt people arguing over a fictional story. Who cares if its borrowed or his he has it and that's not going to change.
For ****s sake....
For ****s sake....
Sennin of Logic
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Number of natures have nothing to do with rank and ability of a shinobi in general, it just gives an advantage. Tobirama only has water style. Tsunade uses none. Minato uses no nature as of yet. 3rd and 4th Raikage only have lightning. 2nd Mizukage only has water. Temari's a jonin yet she only has wind.
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