Naruto is Kage level? How come guys?

[AGoodBoy]

man screw this.

What does perfect jinchuriki yagura have to do with anything? Do you know how strong he was without his jin? No. That doesn't change the fact that he was using some of his bijuu's power to boost his own. WIthout kurama, naruto can't spam shadow clones which is the essense of his fighting style. Without kurama he'd barely be able to pull off 1 rasenshuriken because of the 2 shadow clones and massive chakra drain it takes. If he missed, he'd effectively be screwed and have to get into SM or die.

Let's take gaara for example. Without Shukaku, he's still kage level. He can't manipulate as much sand, but he still has every move he had before. Infact, without his mom (auto-sand) he'd STILL be kage level, because he basically has his father's arsenal/attack scale and his father was a kage.

to the bold, even if it is true, no one has done this up until naruto got the fox, so whether or not anyone else could control the fox is completely irrelevant, seeing as no one has up until now. The fox without naruto is a mass of hatred and drives most people insane. only uzumaki's thus far have been it's host since being a jinchuuriki puts a strain on the body.

You can argue all you want but the fact is without naruto, the fox wouldn't be as much of an entity as he is in the fight against the juubi, before naruto got to him he was nothing but a living grudge. naruto did what no one else could, he tamed the fox, therefore it is his power and his alone.

there were two hosts before naruto. It's the same for the hachibi; Though i don't know how many hosts it had before, bee wasn't the first. Because naruto is the first of 3 doesn't mean he is the only possible one.

That doesn't make sense. Without naruto, kyuubi would be a better force against juubi. Infact, naruto only has 50% of it's power in the first place and he's using kyuubi's chakra to split with his friends. That's the only useful thing naruto's doing that the kyuubi wouldn't be able to do - sharing chakra. Without naruto, it'd still have it's powerscale and what not. It might have even been more powerful because naruto still can't attain a full transformation; only an enhanced cloak.

The fact is, it's not his chakra, nor is it his power. It's just power he has access to. If it can be taken away, it's not his. Naruto's own chakra can't be extracted, therefore it's his. But the kyuubi can be extracted and completely seperated and thrive on it's own, or even used by someone else. Then, it'd no longer be his power. How can it be his alone if he can lose it to someone else? Since it's a being that is able to self sustain, it is not part of him, even though it's been sealed within him. It doesn't matter what the kyuubi was without naruto, naruto didn't give him anymore power than he already had; he gave naruto the power.

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

SM borrowed power? Once again complete bullshit from OP who is known for it.

Hint for OP: Never post again.

 

[Retsu]

What does perfect jinchuriki yagura have to do with anything? Do you know how strong he was without his jin? No. That doesn't change the fact that he was using some of his bijuu's power to boost his own. WIthout kurama, naruto can't spam shadow clones which is the essense of his fighting style. Without kurama he'd barely be able to pull off 1 rasenshuriken because of the 2 shadow clones and massive chakra drain it takes. If he missed, he'd effectively be screwed and have to get into SM or die.

Let's take gaara for example. Without Shukaku, he's still kage level. He can't manipulate as much sand, but he still has every move he had before. Infact, without his mom (auto-sand) he'd STILL be kage level, because he basically has his father's arsenal/attack scale and his father was a kage.



there were two hosts before naruto. It's the same for the hachibi; Though i don't know how many hosts it had before, bee wasn't the first. Because naruto is the first of 3 doesn't mean he is the only possible one.

That doesn't make sense. Without naruto, kyuubi would be a better force against juubi. Infact, naruto only has 50% of it's power in the first place and he's using kyuubi's chakra to split with his friends. That's the only useful thing naruto's doing that the kyuubi wouldn't be able to do - sharing chakra. Without naruto, it'd still have it's powerscale and what not. It might have even been more powerful because naruto still can't attain a full transformation; only an enhanced cloak.

The fact is, it's not his chakra, nor is it his power. It's just power he has access to. If it can be taken away, it's not his. Naruto's own chakra can't be extracted, therefore it's his. But the kyuubi can be extracted and completely seperated and thrive on it's own, or even used by someone else. Then, it'd no longer be his power. How can it be his alone if he can lose it to someone else? Since it's a being that is able to self sustain, it is not part of him, even though it's been sealed within him. It doesn't matter what the kyuubi was without naruto, naruto didn't give him anymore power than he already had; he gave naruto the power.

I don't see naruto getting pregnant anytime soon, so I seriously doubt he's in danger of getting the fox extracted, and naruto is the only shinobi thus far who gained a healthy relationship with the fox, no one else has done this before, and it's already been stated that jinchuuriki are more powerful than tailed beast are alone, and plz stop with what if someone takes it, someone could take kakashi's eye, or even sasukes eyes, but that's not going to make me delusional enough to say it's not their power.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Rasen Shuriken is the most powerful Wind Stle jutsu ever.The reason Naruto is considered Kage level is because he is powerful and has defended the Leaf from Pain.The villagers already consider him to be Hokage material and since then he has gotten stronger by mastering Sage Mode and learned to use the Kyuubi's chakra.

Now he's one of the most powerful people in the series and he is working with Kurama so he's way above Kage level at this point.

 

[iNotorious]

Naruto is kage level since SM-KM in my opinion

Sometimes he acts like a goffy, example, KM naruto vs Edo Nagato, when he forgot about all his powers right.

He still too young, maybe few years he will become Hokage

 

[Biozim]

What does perfect jinchuriki yagura have to do with anything? Do you know how strong he was without his jin? No. That doesn't change the fact that he was using some of his bijuu's power to boost his own. WIthout kurama, naruto can't spam shadow clones which is the essense of his fighting style. Without kurama he'd barely be able to pull off 1 rasenshuriken because of the 2 shadow clones and massive chakra drain it takes. If he missed, he'd effectively be screwed and have to get into SM or die.

Naruto already has a large chakra pool. You already know how he gets kurama's chakra. has to beg/dip into it and he has the facial markings as always.

Tailled beasts still counts as a extension of his ability. if your're going to discount that, why not discount EMS? Or Bee's beast(Gykuu is one of the reasons for bee's skill).

Considering that SM still counts as a skill, and with the fact that he can use clones to extend it, I don't get how Naruto is not around Kage lv.

Considering that he took down 5 paths, and his other Rasengan vairants, give him time and he will be at it in your terms or above.

 

[MrSimple]

That is untrue. It's possible that someone else could have gained control. The fact is, no matter how much control he has over the kyuubi, it's still not his chakra. The kyuubi can turn his head at any point and let naruto over-use his reserves so kurama can take over. It's only because kurama allows him to do as he pleases that he can. What happens if kyuubi is extracted? He loses that power, therefore it's not his. He's just borrowing it from a supply which isn't resisting anymore.

Like i said. It's mostly Kurama's power (Chakra reserves, BM's, Strength & speed enhancements) which bump naruto up to high kage. Without it, he's barely a jounin, if he's even that (in base). His only other option would be SM to get him into low kage levels, but he has to meditate for that.

This pretty much nailed it Lol
But it was already been explained in the OP

 

[Biozim]

This pretty much nailed it Lol
But it was already explained in the OP

In that case, Bee just a mid Jonin.

I massively disagree with you two.

 

[Biozim]

Why do people say "He would Have to go SM or die"

Considering he can go perfect, and without the fox,he would be able to summon Ma and Pa as help.

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

Experienced Naruto Sage Mode > Sasuke any time. Look Hashirama > Madara. (even know Naruto SM is top 10, people ignoring that are failures)

OP, fail. Once again.

PS: Sasuke is borned with his eyes, take away his eyes, he's < fodder. Learn your facts, kid.
PS2: Naruto is the one that can handle Kurama, that's his biggest credit, so he owns in that too.

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

He's not kage level, far above it in fact

 

[saw2097]

What does perfect jinchuriki yagura have to do with anything? Do you know how strong he was without his jin? No. That doesn't change the fact that he was using some of his bijuu's power to boost his own. WIthout kurama, naruto can't spam shadow clones which is the essense of his fighting style. Without kurama he'd barely be able to pull off 1 rasenshuriken because of the 2 shadow clones and massive chakra drain it takes. If he missed, he'd effectively be screwed and have to get into SM or die.

Let's take gaara for example. Without Shukaku, he's still kage level. He can't manipulate as much sand, but he still has every move he had before. Infact, without his mom (auto-sand) he'd STILL be kage level, because he basically has his father's arsenal/attack scale and his father was a kage.



there were two hosts before naruto. It's the same for the hachibi; Though i don't know how many hosts it had before, bee wasn't the first. Because naruto is the first of 3 doesn't mean he is the only possible one.

That doesn't make sense. Without naruto, kyuubi would be a better force against juubi. Infact, naruto only has 50% of it's power in the first place and he's using kyuubi's chakra to split with his friends. That's the only useful thing naruto's doing that the kyuubi wouldn't be able to do - sharing chakra. Without naruto, it'd still have it's powerscale and what not. It might have even been more powerful because naruto still can't attain a full transformation; only an enhanced cloak.

The fact is, it's not his chakra, nor is it his power. It's just power he has access to. If it can be taken away, it's not his. Naruto's own chakra can't be extracted, therefore it's his. But the kyuubi can be extracted and completely seperated and thrive on it's own, or even used by someone else. Then, it'd no longer be his power. How can it be his alone if he can lose it to someone else? Since it's a being that is able to self sustain, it is not part of him, even though it's been sealed within him. It doesn't matter what the kyuubi was without naruto, naruto didn't give him anymore power than he already had; he gave naruto the power.

Wow you have never read the manga have you.

Naruto has used Shadow Clones before he could touch the 9 tails power, read the very first chapter. And he spammed them when cut off from the 9 tails in the Forest of Death.

This post is utterly ridiculous.

It was established that no one can do what Naruto can do with the 9 tails.

Even the 9 tails says no one else can use the 9 tails chakra the way Naruto can use it.


You have to have a large chakra pool just to use Sage Mode.

This post proves you have never read the manga, if you had you would know everything you just said was wrong.



This guy is an idiot.


Mr. Simple just admit it already, you made this thread and are argueing because you are but hurt over Naruto being better than Sasuke.

You are desperate because you can't stand the idea of your favorite character having fallen so far behind.

Sasuke has basically had next to no part in the war and Naruto is just shining like no tomorrow.

Plus the last two chapters showed Naruto being connected to the Sage of the 6 Paths and he saved the alliance.

 

[MrSimple]

In that case, Bee just a mid Jonin.

I massively disagree with you two.

Uncle Bee is using his Ration pretty well
Not to mentioned that he was the one who taught him what to do in order to defeat Kurama
but that's not even the case
Naruto can't even use his Futon properly, Rasenshuruken is the only exception but sadly it's risky for him without SM for which he need to meditate Lol
Kage level shinobi Lol

 

[saw2097]

Uncle Bee is using Ration pretty well
Not to mentioned that he was the one who taught him what to do,
but that's not even the case
Naruto can't even used his Futon properly, Rasenshuruken is the only exception but sadly it's risky for him without SM for which he need to meditate Lol
Kage level shinobi Lol

Just admit it already.



He actually used to compare Naruto's BM to EMS saying himself that Naruto using the 9 tails chakra is no different from Sasuke using EMS.

He used to defend Sasuke using Itachi's eyes by saying it was the same as Naruto using the 9 tails.

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

Uncle Bee is using his Ration pretty well
Not to mentioned that he was the one who taught him what to do,
but that's not even the case
Naruto can't even use his Futon properly, Rasenshuruken is the only exception but sadly it's risky for him without SM for which he need to meditate Lol
Kage level shinobi Lol

Naruto doesn't even need to "meditate" to enter sage mode now, do you read the manga? He can almost go into in instantly now. How about to make it fair we take away Sasukes eyes(since MS and EMS were given to him) then it would be SM Naruto vs 3-tomoe Sasuke.....Naruto would destroy him, heck if Naruto didn't have the kyuubi in him then he could fuse with the toad sages to have a SM with no time limit

 

[Biozim]

Uncle Bee is using his Ration pretty well
Not to mentioned that he was the one who taught him what to do,
but that's not even the case
Naruto can't even use his Futon properly, Rasenshuruken is the only exception but sadly it's risky for him without SM for which he need to meditate Lol
Kage level shinobi Lol

Does it even matter if one uses friggin natures?

You even forget that Gaara only knows 1 wind tech without Shukaku.

And Minato who seems to not use any.

And you seem to forget that he has several useful tech already, kinda eliminating his need.

 

[Aya San]

Naruto has water yeah!

 

[MythicDonut]

If you're saying without the Kyuubi then I'd say he's not First/Second/Third/Fourth Kage Level but still stronger then Tsunade. With the Kyuubi Chakra I'd say he's on par with the Tobirama and Minato or although not by a HUGE margin, MAYBE stronger then them.

I'm still not sure about Hashirama though, i don't think even with the other half of the Kyuubi Chakra that Naruto would even be close to Hashirama. He dealt with the Kyuubi like it was a fodder pirate from One Piece with that Buddhist summoning.

I can't do a comparison really with the 3rd Hokage, but he was said named a God of Shinobi as well, maybe not on the same standard as 'God' as Hashirama was but we haven't seen him fight yet in his prime which was apparently 'disgraceful' compared to himself in his prime, a man who knew every Jutsu.

 

[PredictionGuru]

Anyone that can beat Sasuke's ass effortlessly is automatically branded a Kage level shinobi.

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

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