Naruto is a good manga, BUT...

[Jakal]

For those whom think that narutos power will stay the same, think again!!?? Notice narutos collar in biju mode how he's got a pattern, now look at a pic of the old sage of the 6 paths how he has the same marks 6 of them, naruto has those marks. He will maybe gain that same power through loss of life he already has itachis DNA lost the raven but still has it, either way it's gonna get biger and better, he will become sage of the six paths he already has 4?

 

[Umari Senju]

Don't you worry, my friend...:idea:

Soon, Oro will back stab Sasuke and become the final villain...:scorps:

I would really hope so. Orochimaru has been there since part 1 chunin exams. I'm so tired of the Uchihas taking the bad guy spot light. They are rather boring, repetitive, and not really original at all.

 

[Lightbringer]

having a "one central" villain is basically the exact same thing that almost every anime does....at least with having a variety, there's more chaos and always something unexpected

like is Sasuke going to kill Madara or join him, is Obito going to betray Madara, is Orochimaru going to attack Sasuke, etc?

 

[Lightbringer]

having a "one central" villain is basically the exact same thing that almost every anime does....at least with having a variety, there's more chaos and always something unexpected

like is Sasuke going to kill Madara or join him, is Obito going to betray Madara, is Orochimaru going to attack Sasuke, etc?

 

[Umari Senju]

And if Kishi threw villains who were evil for shits and giggles, you'd be complaining that they are plain. Kishi used good writing, he gave us villains with some depth, which is a good thing. Look at Hidan. He had little depth and look how far he could go. If you want evil-for-the-f*ck-of-it villains, go watch DBZ.

This would be true if it were just one or two villains, bit Kishi does this with almost every villian. Madara, Orochumaru, Kabuto, Obito, Sasuke, and many others. Everytime they have a final battle there is a ton of flashbacks explaining why they do what they do. It's not needed for EVERY villian. It worked great for Itachi, Danzo, Pain, and Madara, but that is where it should have ended.

 

[Lightbringer]

This would be true if it were just one or two villains, bit Kishi does this with almost every villian. Madara, Orochumaru, Kabuto, Obito, Sasuke, and many others. Everytime they have a final battle there is a ton of flashbacks explaining why they do what they do. It's not needed for EVERY villian. It worked great for Itachi, Danzo, Pain, and Madara, but that is where it should have ended.

that's called character development.....Every villain has a reason, you don't just one day shake your fist in the air and say "You know, I wanna be evil and take over the world muahahahaha"

The whole point of Naruto is that everything ties in together.....Madara influencing Obito, influencing death of the Uchiha, etc.

 

[Jphu8414]

It is an allusion to the common themes throughout Naruto-No one is inherently bad, just misguidance and the horrors of the shinobi world that has turned them evil
If you want villains with no substance and no substantial back story, go watch Bleach

 

[AaaaNinja]

What about the guy that Zabuza worked for?

 

[foxyladyland]

i like villains having emotions and reasons for what they could try and justify killings

 

[Umari Senju]

that's called character development.....Every villain has a reason, you don't just one day shake your fist in the air and say "You know, I wanna be evil and take over the world muahahahaha"

The whole point of Naruto is that everything ties in together.....Madara influencing Obito, influencing death of the Uchiha, etc.

Yes I agree. Every villain has his reason. But there in lies the problem.

Take Xmen for example: Mr Sinister is evil, we know why he is evil, but we didn't get 20 chapters of flashbacks to expaoin why he is evil. Apocalypse-We know why he is evil, again it didn't take 20 chapters to explain that.

In the case of the villians of Naruto, There is about 6 to 10 chapters spent on every single villian's history. This could have been summed up in simple dialog. Doing so dimishied the overall value of those villains who truley give Naruto its substance (Madara, Pain, Obito, Danzo, etc.) Every enemy doesn't need to be sympathized with. Look at Orochimaru. We know why he is bad, but it didn't take 10 chapters to explain his reason for being bad. It doesn't affect the fact that he is still one of the more popular villians of the Nautoverse. See where I am going with this?

 

[Umari Senju]

What about the guy that Zabuza worked for?

Dude....Your Sig...LMAO! THAT...IS...HILARIOUS!

 

[Lightbringer]

Yes I agree. Every villain has his reason. But there in lies the problem.

Take Xmen for example: Mr Sinister is evil, we know why he is evil, but we didn't get 20 chapters of flashbacks to expaoin why he is evil. Apocalypse-We know why he is evil, again it didn't take 20 chapters to explain that.

In the case of the villians of Naruto, There is about 6 to 10 chapters spent on every single villian's history. This could have been summed up in simple dialog. Doing so dimishied the overall value of those villains who truley give Naruto its substance (Madara, Pain, Obito, Danzo, etc.) Every enemy doesn't need to be sympathized with. Look at Orochimaru. We know why he is bad, but it didn't take 10 chapters to explain his reason for being bad. It doesn't affect the fact that he is still one of the more popular villians of the Nautoverse. See where I am going with this?

Orochimaru is going to get his flashback, I guarantee you that, it was hinted after Sasuke stood on top of konoha to reflect on it.

Besides, the flashbacks just expand the universe....sure it may be dull to wait through because you're eager to see a battle, but in the end it's worth it.

I want to see how Madara became evil, and now we know who his father was and Hashi's father, and how they met.

You can't compare a comic book to a manga, they're two completely different styles of writing.....comic books usually don't have a focused storyline and have ongoing plotlines that intersect and sometimes contradict which is why it's not as necessary for immediate character development.

Manga tells a story, beginning to end and everything is already laid out(well most of them) to better understand that story, it is essential to show everything in best detail.

If they never gave a flashback for Nagato, I would have not sympathized for him and feel that his actions were justified to some degree.

If they never gave a flashback for Obito, to see how he suffered and saw his world turn upside down, I would have just thought him turning out to be Tobi a really dumb and cliche reason....yes it's still cliche, but now it makes more sense.....he was just like naruto but instead fell to darkness because his beliefs were crushed

that is the important dynamic for us to understand

 

[Umari Senju]

Orochimaru is going to get his flashback, I guarantee you that, it was hinted after Sasuke stood on top of konoha to reflect on it.

Besides, the flashbacks just expand the universe....sure it may be dull to wait through because you're eager to see a battle, but in the end it's worth it.

I want to see how Madara became evil, and now we know who his father was and Hashi's father, and how they met.

You can't compare a comic book to a manga, they're two completely different styles of writing.....comic books usually don't have a focused storyline and have ongoing plotlines that intersect and sometimes contradict which is why it's not as necessary for immediate character development.

Manga tells a story, beginning to end and everything is already laid out(well most of them) to better understand that story, it is essential to show everything in best detail.

If they never gave a flashback for Nagato, I would have not sympathized for him and feel that his actions were justified to some degree.

If they never gave a flashback for Obito, to see how he suffered and saw his world turn upside down, I would have just thought him turning out to be Tobi a really dumb and cliche reason....yes it's still cliche, but now it makes more sense.....he was just like naruto but instead fell to darkness because his beliefs were crushed

that is the important dynamic for us to understand

Again, I understand this. The examples you gave are the ones I agree deserve the flashbacks they get. But I didn't need to see say Diedara's flashback, Kabuto's flashback, etc. These were just taking the spotlight for those who truely need it (Obito, Madara, Nagato, etc.) Good story telling doesn't mean you need to go in depth on every single character.

The same goes for the good guys. We don't need flashbacks on every side character just the ones that truly drive the story forward. Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to bash Kishi's work. I agree it is much more in depth than say Bleach or DBZ. These are just minor critisizms on my part and not in any way affects my overall experience with the story. The Flashbacks get incredibly old though.

 

[GaaraKazekage09]

I think after the 6th ninja war Sasuke will come back to team 7 and be with sakura while naruto is with hinata. And orochimaru will come back and want revenge for sasuke trapping him......or something like that

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Hidan was the only pure evil villain there was, he was aHEAD from every major villain in the series.

 

[L Lawliet]

I really understand where you're coming from. Normally, stories work in such a way that we grow to despise the villains as much as protagonists do, for example, when Freezer killed Krillin in DB. That was like, you know, all of us turning Super Saiyan along with Goku. But in Naruto, just when we come to hate the villain (and I'm speaking for those of us who don't worry about: "Oh, is it a human? or a drawn character that doesn't exist?"), turns out we end up with the villain's flashback and an explanation of why did he end up being the way he was. So now we kind of feel for him too, and he's not that much of a villain anymore... It's like, the thing with loving and hating someone is that, when you stop doing it, it feels like the fun's over. I remember people being hyped about Lee during his fight with Gaara and even after that... But then the Kishimoto Dragon Ball style came to the picture and many characters, including potential villains, were lost because of it.

However, I still think that depth is definitely more valuable than classic good versus evil. If I had stayed a child, perhaps Naruto would be so boring for me in terms of principles. Because I didn't even worry about that. Bad guy is bad, good guy is good, and the good guy is the one I have to look up to. But what can I say? The more I grew up, the more mistakes in life I made, and the more I wanted to feel like I could be forgiven, and like I could also be loved even though I was wrong many times. This is what I love from Naruto. Even with its funny plot holes and its contradictions, I still love it and I will still keep following it until the end, no matter what.

 

[chancek7]

There isn't a main physical villain... but the constant battle is against hate.

 

[Lightbringer]

Again, I understand this. The examples you gave are the ones I agree deserve the flashbacks they get. But I didn't need to see say Diedara's flashback, Kabuto's flashback, etc. These were just taking the spotlight for those who truely need it (Obito, Madara, Nagato, etc.) Good story telling doesn't mean you need to go in depth on every single character.

The same goes for the good guys. We don't need flashbacks on every side character just the ones that truly drive the story forward. Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to bash Kishi's work. I agree it is much more in depth than say Bleach or DBZ. These are just minor critisizms on my part and not in any way affects my overall experience with the story. The Flashbacks get incredibly old though.

well with Kabuto's flashback it greatly hints that he will show up later.....he got a second chance through izanami, and now because we understand why he is the way he is....he might change because of it and reflect on his past and Itachi's words.

I agree with Deidara that it wasn't really necessary, but it wasn't a long one like the others and it was still interesting to see how he was recruited and the dynamic between the members since we don't really see that often.

It only sucks while waiting on the chapters I know because we want something more than that.....but when its out and if you ever reread the manga fully or have someone starting to read it once all the chapters are out, they only add to the experience

besides I'd rather see a flashback than have someone just narrate it to me in a couple sentences.....it just makes it less intriguing

If Obito's only hint at the past was the one line he said to kakashi that "oh and the reason is because you let Rin die" be the only hint toward his past, rather than his flashback....I would have not changed my opinion about him and think it was a lame excuse.

but since I got to see it, I honestly say that I might have done the same if I was in his position.

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

From my point of view, Madara is the big bad, like the Aizen of Naruto. He is responsible for all the main conflicts in naruto that have to do with the main plot. He came up withe moons eye plan, he (imo) turned Obito into the villain we know today, fueling him with the ideas of the dream world. Because of this, he (imo) is responsible for the akatsuki and everything they did. He is responsible for everything nagato caused because without his eyes, thousands could have been saved, on top of everything else the akatsuki did. If it wasn't for him brainwashing obito, narutos parents would still be alive, and naruto would not have suffered as a child. If it wasn't for madara, there wouldn't have ween WW4, with the death of tens of thousands. If it wasn't for madara, the juubi would not have been revived. Hundreds died by madaras hand in the war within a few hours after his revival. Orochimaru didn't really effect the narutoverse that much other than helping to make sasuke who he was, but sasuke was emo before anyways. You could argue that Tobi is the main villain, because he was Madara's puppet, but madara created tobi,so obito is partly responsible, but imagine the world if Madara hasn't existed. But then again, he has united the nations.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

i like villains having emotions and reasons for what they could try and justify killings

But not when they get TnJ