Naruto in Minato's place against Obito

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Naruto replaces Minato during his fight against Obito and the Kyubi, so just like Minato, Naruto has to defeat Obito and save Konoha. Obviously he is put in the same conditions(not aware of who the enemy is or his abilities, he must do it as fast as possible to limit victims, etc).

We suppose here that there are 2 Kyubis, the one inside Naruto currently, and the 100% Kyubi, Minato had to face. How well do you think Naruto could have performed in Minato's place?
 

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Without Jikūkan Ninjutsu, Naruto would be at a huge disadvantage. What's more, is that Naruto does not possess intelligence even close to Minato's; in other words, he'd probably loose.​
 

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He would have died... rather quickly.
 

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He would lose as badly as before kakashi and gai saved him.
 

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Well I think he would just charge on Kyuubi instead of Obito. He wouldn't really be able to hit Obito but he would drive Kyuubi out of the village and outlast Obtio's chakra needed to control it, so the genjutsu would broke free forcing Obito to flee
 

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Naruto would get destroyed
 

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bad replacement
 

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with knowledge of tobi i think he would have done well, he'd just spam sm clones and good luck to obito trying to stop that. warping a clone instead of the real naruto would backfire badly on obito, as he would be able to attack him from inside the dimension when he's intangible, and if he solidifies to prevent that he's fodder against bm naruto. plus naruto can definintely repel the kyuubi with bm mode, although he wouldnt be able to seal it ofc. he might be able to beat it into submission maybe


on the other hand, if tobi sneaks up on him like he did with minato, naruto is toast, as would be anyone in that scenario. you need jikoukan ninjutsu to compete with tobi without knowledge.
 

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Without Jikūkan Ninjutsu, Naruto would be at a huge disadvantage. What's more, is that Naruto does not possess intelligence even close to Minato's; in other words, he'd probably loose.​
He maybe doesn't have the Jikūkan Ninjutsu, but he has the speed, clones and other stuffs
 

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Naurto BM mode should be strong enough to handle a fight against the Kyuubi. However, Naruto doesn't possess intelligence that of the level of Minato, so it'd be difficult to say if he could come up with a counter for Obito's Kamui. It is clear that for large amounts of the fight, he'd just keep trying to hit Obito without really formulating a plan or analysing why he cannot hit him, however, we also mustn't forget that he has previously shown (against Pain) that he can come up with moments of genius during a battle in order to land an impressive combo on his opponent. So the possibility of him coming up with something isn't completely zero. A major factor would be that he wouldn't be able to use a bijuu dama incase he himself blows up the village so that'd put him at a disadvantage.

I think it all comes down to Naruto's willingness to be analytical/utilise his speed. Naruto would know he's the fastest Ninja alive so he'd just have to bank it on getting to Obito before he has a chance to activate Kamui which by no means is easy. For that reason, I'd have to say Obito has the advantage in that situation and should win.
 

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The outcome and the conditions of that fight werent random.. The story and the outcome were writen that way to fit on minatos abilities.. Minatos abilities were a bit unique so its realy hard to imagine another person in minatos place... Its not impossible for someone else to fight in that situation but its impossible for someone else to earn just the same results..
 

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This is rather unfair almost as if you are trying to prove a rather unworthy point. Sound like Hashirama fans trying to put Hiruzen up against madara + kyuubi to again prove an unworthy point. A ninja's ability will either put them at an advantage or a disadvantage

First is that current obito even if we take the rinnegan and the jinchrucki away from him and he is basically ms obito is stronger than the obito that minato faced. 30 year old ms obito > 14 year old ms obito, therefore if we were to do this we exclude all the latest feats that ms obito has shown.

I don't believe, 14 year old obito though he showed great skill with kamui at 14 wasn't as good with it as he is with it now, so bm naruto with his speed and taguu kage bunshin along with summonings, will cause him trouble. The only problem is the contract seal which naruto doesn't have in his position, however if he beats 14 year old obito and i believe he would, the genjutsu would eventually cease, therefore freeing the the kyuubi from obito possession.
 
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Naurto BM mode should be strong enough to handle a fight against the Kyuubi. However, Naruto doesn't possess intelligence that of the level of Minato, so it'd be difficult to say if he could come up with a counter for Obito's Kamui. It is clear that for large amounts of the fight, he'd just keep trying to hit Obito without really formulating a plan or analysing why he cannot hit him, however, we also mustn't forget that he has previously shown (against Pain) that he can come up with moments of genius during a battle in order to land an impressive combo on his opponent. So the possibility of him coming up with something isn't completely zero. A major factor would be that he wouldn't be able to use a bijuu dama incase he himself blows up the village so that'd put him at a disadvantage.

I think it all comes down to Naruto's willingness to be analytical/utilise his speed. Naruto would know he's the fastest Ninja alive so he'd just have to bank it on getting to Obito before he has a chance to activate Kamui which by no means is easy. For that reason, I'd have to say Obito has the advantage in that situation and should win.

^This.
 

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he wud get his ass kicked.
 

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This is rather unfair almost as if you are trying to prove a rather unworthy point. Sound like Hashirama fans trying to put Hiruzen up against madara + kyuubi to again prove an unworthy point. A ninja's ability will either put them at an advantage or a disadvantage
I don't see the point in whining. You are free to have your interpretation though

First is that current obito even if we take the rinnegan and the jinchrucki away from him and he is basically ms obito is stronger than the obito that minato faced. 30 year old ms obito > 14 year old ms obito, therefore if we were to do this we exclude all the latest feats that ms obito has shown.
In fact 14yo Obito if we take rinnengan and jinchuriki away from him has shown better mokuton feats, and it's said that he was already able to use izanagi or other rikudoo no jutsu since back then(since Madara learned him that), so basically i don't see what makes the current Obito that different if we don't count what i said earlier obviously

I don't believe, 14 year old obito though he showed great skill with kamui at 14 wasn't as good with it as he is with it now, so bm naruto with his speed and taguu kage bunshin along with summonings, will cause him trouble. The only problem is the contract seal which naruto doesn't have in his position, however if he beats 14 year old obito and i believe he would, the genjutsu would eventually cease, therefore freeing the the kyuubi from obito possession.
I don't agree with the fact he wasn't as good as current Obito with his kamui use, but whatever, you forget the scenario i talked about in this thread here. It's not just a random fight between Obito and Naruto, but he is in a position where he has no knowledge on Obito from the start like Minato was, in a position where he has to worry about the village, win this as quickly as possible to reduce the number of victims as possible(maybe he would use clones to save them like he did in this war for example or leave the village to the 3rd), basically exactly like Minato was
 

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I don't see the point in whining. You are free to have your interpretation though

Im not whining its just when people try to prove a moot point disregarding the fact that a ninja's ability will either put them in a great chance against another but in a disadvantage against another. This doesn't state that the ninja in question is better but rather they have the ability best suited for that particular ninja. Damn Hashirama fans got me fuming

In fact 14yo Obito if we take rinnengan and jinchuriki away from him has shown better mokuton feats, and it's said that he was already able to use izanagi or other rikudoo no jutsu since back then(since Madara learned him that), so basically i don't see what makes the current Obito that different if we don't count what i said earlier obviously


Rikoudou jutsu is the 6 paths something that ms obito obviously cannot use. Izanagi if we translate it as the kinjutsu madara showed obito then yes he knows this however we do not know for sure if 14 year old obito gained another sharingan eye to waste izanagi on. The spare sharingan's at his hideout is most likely free sharingans he got from the massacre. Its very likely and almost certain that 14 year old obito fought minato with 1 sharingan, unless before madara died he transplanted his 1 sharingan to obito which is unknown. Regardless if we are pitting naruto in that same situation, he use techniques demonstrated by that obito and not current obito

I don't agree with the fact he wasn't as good as current Obito with his kamui use, but whatever, you forget the scenario i talked about in this thread here. It's not just a random fight between Obito and Naruto, but he is in a position where he has no knowledge on Obito from the start like Minato was, in a position where he has to worry about the village, win this as quickly as possible to reduce the number of victims as possible(maybe he would use clones to save them like he did in this war for example or leave the village to the 3rd), basically exactly like Minato was

It wasn't too long before obito awakened the ms and when he attacked the village. Next is that current obito has another 15 years with kamui, its obvious he has gained better mastery of this and we have seen this when he is able to wrap fuma shurikens out of his dimensions but also use katon justus like rambo in conjunction with it. Not to forget that current obito was able to block zabuza's sword with one hand something that 14 year old obito couldn't do and evidence of this is when he coundnt even punch his way out of madara's hideout.

Even with no knowledge naruto always starts with kage bunshin, which the sharingan cannot distinguish. Obito would have to be certain that the person he is warping is the real naruto otherwise during this stage he is open to attacks. Now image several bm clones, km clones and sm clones. All these clones have great perception ability and speed. If obito makes a slight mistake he will eat a fuuton shuriken rasengan or a bijuu dama, either is fatal. Obito cannot keep on evading all these many forms of naruto for teh whole fight. If it comes down to it naruto can summon ma and pa frog for gamarinsho, a technique that not even kamui can evade (unless obito warps away, but then in that case its a forfeit) and when paralysed, he is therefore the taking. To think 14 year old obito beats current naruto is very unrealistic.

As for the kyubbi, naruto would put up a fight. 100% kyuubi is stronger than the kyuubi sealed in naruto which is 50%, however a perfect jinchrucki is stronger than a wild animal. Again summonings ike gamabunta and perhaps a couple of tbb's and RS could do damage to the fox, however with naruto's limited sealing ability, something that minato prevails in im not sure how he is getting rid of the fox.

EDIT: Id like to continue this however ive something else to do but current naruto mops the floor with 14 year old obito. He however doesn't have a way of getting rid of the kyuubi though he can match its power and even overwhelm it, you also forget that naruto's clones in the war have been all over the place, surely he can limit the damage done to the village with these bunshin spams and infact he can leave a few bm and km and perhaps sm clones to fight 14 year old obito whilst he takes on the fox. He is a one man army after all
 
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Rikoudou jutsu is the 6 paths something that ms obito obviously cannot use. Izanagi if we translate it as the kinjutsu madara showed obito then yes he knows this however we do not know for sure if 14 year old obito gained another sharingan eye to waste izanagi on. The spare sharingan's at his hideout is most likely free sharingans he got from the massacre. Its very likely and almost certain that 14 year old obito fought minato with 1 sharingan, unless before madara died he transplanted his 1 sharingan to obito which is unknown. Regardless if we are pitting naruto in that same situation, he use techniques demonstrated by that obito and not current obito
Why will Madara learn something to Obito if he can't use it? It's not as if Madara knew Obito would have the rinnengan after since Nagato was the one supposed to revive him. Furthermore i do think it's highly possible that he took Madara's Sharingan. Why leaving that there? Also i don't agree with the fact that the Obito should only use what he has displayed against Minato. What you don't understand is that in the fight between Obito and Minato, it was a battle of speed, and it's only for that reason that neither used range attacks, because they knew it would be useless(Minato mentioned the fact that he needs to trade hits with him, Obito needed chain to restrict him because of his speed). It doesn't mean that against another opponent, they would use the same move. That was only adapted for that situation

It wasn't too long before obito awakened the ms and when he attacked the village. Next is that current obito has another 15 years with kamui, its obvious he has gained better mastery of this and we have seen this when he is able to wrap fuma shurikens out of his dimensions but also use katon justus like rambo in conjunction with it. Not to forget that current obito was able to block zabuza's sword with one hand something that 14 year old obito couldn't do and evidence of this is when he coundnt even punch his way out of madara's hideout.
Juding by the difference between the Kakashi in Kakashi Gaiden and the one in that flash-back, i believe 2years at the very least past since that moment. We've seen that Obito directly managed to completely master the phasing when he was facing the Kirigakure ninjas, he even directly mastered the mokuton sashiki. All that was to show us that Obito is a quick-learner. Zetsu even said he now understand why Madara chosed him. So i believe that 2years is more than enough for that Obito to have completely mastered and know all the different ways he could use his kamui, especially when Madara considered that if Obito was behind everything, he was sure that the plan was good, meaning that Obito was already highly intelligent and skillfull since back then.

He may have learn more combos with the time, but in his kamui skills, i personally believe it was already at the top. Not because we've not seen him use inverse kamui that he wasn't able to. He didn't use it against Minato not only because the fight didn't last long, but also because like i've said, range attacks weren't that suited for that situation.

Even when we talk about current Obito, he has never shown the inverse kamui even when fighting Danzo's bodyguards, or Konan and even in the fight against Naruto and co, we only saw it much more later in the fight, so it's not because we've not seen him use it against Minato that he wasn't able to. Just look at Kakashi currently and he is a non-Uchiha, so more difficulty to handle his eye technique and he only had kamui for 1year or so, but he can already use inverse kamui or other skills.

Even with no knowledge naruto always starts with kage bunshin, which the sharingan cannot distinguish. Obito would have to be certain that the person he is warping is the real naruto otherwise during this stage he is open to attacks. Now image several bm clones, km clones and sm clones. All these clones have great perception ability and speed. If obito makes a slight mistake he will eat a fuuton shuriken rasengan. Obito cannot keep on evading all these many forms of naruto for teh whole fight. If it comes down to it naruto can summon ma and pa frog for gamarinsho, a technique that not even kamui can evade (unless obito warps away, but then in that case its a forfeit) and when paralysed, he is therefore the taking. To think 14 year old obito beats current naruto is very unrealistic.
I don't see Naruto summoning those guys since it's not really his fighting style to begin with. It's more like Jiraya's fighting style. Just to make you remember, Minato can summon as well, but he didn't against Obito. I don't see where it's far-fetched to believe that he could beat Naruto when he has shown the skills necessary for that even back then
EDIT: Id like to continue this however ive something else to do but current naruto mops the floor with 14 year old obito. He however doesn't have a way of getting rid of the kyuubi though he can match its power and even overwhelm it, you also forget that naruto's clones in the war have been all over the place, surely he can limit the damage done to the village with these bunshin spams and infact he can leave a few bm and km and perhaps sm clones to fight 14 year old obito whilst he takes on the fox. He is a one man army after all
Ok no problem ;) I think you underestimate a lot Obito from back then though. His kamui use was already perfect and it made him difficult to counter. Someone like Naruto who isn't really that analytic could fail against this jutsu. We've already seen how easily Obito could capture him in close combat just with his kamui use. Hell even a crippled Nagato was able to capture him :p Also, what even stops Obito from summoning directly Kyubi to help him against Naruto if needed?
 
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